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Tinto Maps #3 - 24th of May 2024 - France

Greetings, and welcome to the third Tinto Maps! Last week we received a great amount of feedback regarding Iberia, which we’re working on, and this week we also reworked the map of the Low Countries, which we’ll show soon.

For this week, we’ll be taking a look at France, up until its current modern borders (which you’ll notice are quite different from the 1337 borders):

Countries:
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When portraying the political situation of France in 1337, we had a few options. On one extreme, we could make it a ‘centralized monarchy’, like England or the Iberian ones, but with a much lower degree of control over its territories. Conversely, we could have a ‘French Crown’ IO, similar to the HRE. We decided to go with the middle term, which represents the French Crown lands with the country of France, and its networks of appanages and vassals as different subjects. We think that this way we can portray the progressive centralization of the crown under the reigns of Philip II, Louis IX, and Philip IV, while also portraying the powerful jurisdictional powers of the French feuds. We have two types of subjects in France, by the way: vassals, which represent the regular fief mouvants, and appanages, which were the feuds granted to members of the royal family, that could eventually revert to the French Crown.

You may also notice that there might be a problem incoming related to a couple of English possessions in the mainland, the County of Ponthieu, and, especially, the Duchy of Aquitaine, as well as the Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey which comprise a dangerously close non-core location of England (they aren’t big enough to be a worthwhile subject country, even if that might be a more accurate representation).


Locations:
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An interesting distribution of locations. Some names may be a bit long, so, please blame the French, not us, and ask if you want to know which location it is.

Provinces:
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We are aware that we have a severe inconsistency here, which is naming the provinces after locations instead of provincial and regional names (we were not very sure about what naming convention to use when we crafted this map). So we would be glad to receive feedback on the names that you think would fit. E.g.: Artois instead of Arras, Anjou instead of Angers, etc.

Terrain:
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We’ll also read your feedback regarding the terrain of France, although we already know of some issues to correct (e.g.: changing the vegetation of the Landes to sparse instead of forests.

Cultures:
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Although there are two big cultural divisions of the French cultures, Langue d’Oil and Langue d’Oc, we think that their regional subdivisions would make the situation more accurate for 1337, where there is a long way until the cultural unification of France.

Religions:
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Not a very interesting situation, only 0.80% of the population is of a different religion (Judaism). We haven’t portrayed any Catholic heresy yet, maybe Cathars should still have some room in the Languedoc, as Montaillou, an Occitan Village from 1294 to 1324, points to? Also, while taking this screenshot, we improved the view of this map mode, making it more responsive to zoom levels.

Raw Goods:
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The gold mines in the center of the map are going to die, as they were exploited only in recent times. Which other changes do you suggest?

Markets:
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Paris already had replaced the fairs of Champagne as the main trading center of the region, driven by the growth of the crown lands and the royal power in the 13th century. Apart from that, we have the market at Bordeaux in Aquitaine.

Population:
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Population, and also how it looks with colors when you have the country clicked (Paris, centralizing France since Hugh Capet…).

And that’s all for today! Next week we will move to the North-Eastern part of Europe, as we will take at look at Poland and the Baltic region. Cheers!
 
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Rip independent Flanders, you had a good 2 week run
Yeah, we reviewed this week the tags between the Low Countries and France, and considered that after the Battle of Cassel of 1328, when Louis I was reinstated as the Count, its situation was more akin to that of vassalage.
 
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Very happy to finally see the map of the future French Empire!
I have a few questions:
- Will France's purchase of Valentinois be represented in the game?
- Would it be possible to have an option that would allow vassals to be exactly the same color as their overlord?
-Would it be possible to have an option that would allow the borders of vassals to be merged with those of their overlord, like Victoria 3?
-Would it be possible to have an option that would allow the borders of the HRE to appear on the map?
 
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How do you end up with inland market islands? Looks like Perigueux is in the Paris market but all the locations surrounding it are in the Bordeaux market?
 
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I know this is the France Tinto Maps, but given the great diversity of cultures in France, why was Castilian culture so prevalent in the Iberian Tinto Maps? Surely are non-Castilian, non-Muslim cultures in southern Iberia at this time?
 
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Is Brittany being depicted as a French vassal here? I'm a little worried that whilst legally accurate, it will just cause France to annex it before 1400 which seems historically unlikely.
 
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What's up with isolated market locations? Paris in Aquitaine, Barcelona in two cut off locations?
That PC is a game under development, and market access calculations depend on several factors, which we're tweaking regularly. Don't take the locations covered by each market as final but as approximate.
 
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We’ll also read your feedback regarding the terrain of France, although we already know of some issues to correct (e.g.: changing the vegetation of the Landes to sparse instead of forests.

Indeed, the presence of this forest in that extent is an anachronism. The "Forêt des Landes" is the largest artificial forest in Europe. It was planted under the reign of Napoleon III during the Second French Empire in 1857, following the "Loi relative à l'assainissement et à la mise en culture des Landes de Gascogne" (or : the 19 June 1857 law in english).

Although there were a few maritime pine woods here and there, notably along certain watercourses, much of the region was made up of unhealthy marshlands.

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There were several objectives behind this law beyond simply enhancing the land : fixing the dunes to prevent the ocean from encroaching on the land, combating malaria, and finding a more lucrative economic outlet than unproductive traditional pastoralism.

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The Languedoc region and the drainage of its ponds follows a somewhat similar logic, except that the process began in the Middle Ages and was completed just after WWII. By 1337 the landscape had already undergone major changes, so the map is quite okay on the Mediterranean side.
 
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