We will talk more in detail about the Black Death in the future.
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Évreux is in a personal union with Navarre while being a vassal of France.
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There won't be a 'Burgundian Inheritance' as in EUIV in this game, we've already fixed too many bugs about that in the last patches of EUIV.
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About the first question, yes. About the second question, @SaintDaveUK might be your person, as he made the English setup.
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That Flanders was a vassal of France in 1337 doesn't mean that it will keep being after.
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We're doing (and will keep doing) the European regions in a non-geographic order.
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It is the area of Guyenne, which was one of the administrative divisions of the French Ancien Régime; it would be first administered together with Gascony in the same parlement, then it was subdivided into two généralités, based on Bordeaux, and Montauban.
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There's silver, indeed; it was shown one location with it last week, in Iberia.
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I don't recall exactly which sources were used for Poland, but if you could open a new thread commenting specifically on these, my team could check them. You would also make happy our fellow Polish coworkers, I guess.
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In next week's Tinto Maps it will be fine, I think. Thanks in advance!
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I think that you have a point on making Limoges an independent vassal under Joanna of Penthièvre, we may take a look at that. I'm not sure that Albret would fit in the map as an independent polity, although we'll take a look. Regarding the vassals, the jurisdiction and powers of the King of France among his vassals are way bigger than those of the Holy Roman Emperor, taking into account the very troublesome situation of the Empire since the death of Frederick II in 1250, that only got somehow stabilized after the Golden Bull. In any case, it will be an interesting situation for France to handle so many subjects...
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Thanks to you, this is great feedback! We're taking notes of everything, I'll just make a quick reply of two of the comments:Just finished reading it, this is my feedback off-the-tongue with what i saw, may come back later with more – and better-based – thoughts on Baguetteland, although i'd like to use this opportunity to congratulate the team on the work of not only the game but also the feedback-following, i don't quite remember seeing anything like this for a game before. So very much thank you Tintopals
Seeing the political map, i have some questions concerning how the Navarre-France conundrum will be represented in-game, Évreux is a french vassal, the Count of Évreux is the King of Navarre, i assume Joan is the in-game ruler of Navarre (as she was queen in her rights) and the Évreux-Navarre PU is presented by a marriage relation between both (to be made PU on their son's accession), but i find rather jarring the absence of Joan's french lands in the map, and the fact that some of these are apparently being thrown under as "Évreux". When Joan gave up her rights to the french throne in 1329, she also gave up claims to the County of Champagne & Brie (which is accurately shown as french crownland), but in return got land in her own name as well, quoting wikipedia:
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This is important because crucial to her reign in Navarre is the fact that both King and Queen of Navarre would most of the time be living in France (her husband showed up more in Navarre than herself, also) with Navarre itself being ruled by french stewards, she clearly showed preferrence to her french domains and simply reality isn't as well depicted if you have a Navarre with Joan as ruler, with the ruler of Évreux as consort, but no PU with a french tag for her lands there. The Angouleme lands are seemingly under the Évreux tag (border with Aquitaine), the same for the Longueville (northern coast) and Mortain (Normandy) – for Mortain even the borders aren't right apparently, they seem to be the Angevin-era borders, Joan's grant from her uncle seems to have included lands in the Côtentin peninsula, as can be seen from her son's – Charles II of Navarre – inheritance:
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Notice how it's mentioned that his mother had received the Normandy lands.
Besides that, i wonder if you'll deal with the historical ongoing contract (That is, Joan has to give up her crown to her son if he reaches 21 years of age before she dies) between Crown and Estates, you've replied to a question saying that there will be an event dealing with the Valentinois, i assume the same will be true for Angouleme? (The french crown acquired it sometime before Joan's death, i didn't get how, but her son seemed pretty mad when the crown gave it to the la Cerdas, anyway), tl;dr: Where Angouleme tag for my gal Joan? Giving her french lands to the husband's tag is literally machism!
Anyway, about locations and provinces, a few suggestions on changing names:
- Tolosa should be San Sebastián, the town is noteworthy, yes, but before the second half of the 14th century, San Sebastián was the main port of Gipuzkoa, and Bilbao gives the name for the neighbouring location, so not naming the main port at game start seems odd, specially considering that later in the game's historical time period San Sebastián would also clear Tolosa in terms of importance.
- There is Oloron (a noteworthy center for Transpyreneean trade) and Pau, but no Orthez (slightly to the west of it), which is the actual capital of Béarn at the time, as the court transferred to Pau in 1464. I'm not actually demanding any specific change here, since i can't bother with tracing where exactly the three are in the map (as in comparing the real life map with the game one), but i do think that it would be strange for the actual capital to not be in the game at the release date. Also, i hope Mont-de-Marsan gets the deserved love! It was an actual city at game-start, it would be...a Let Down if one started the game with just a rural undeveloped location to show for it.
- On provinces, i absolutely think you should go for not-location names, it simply flows better, it's almost free immersion. Location Place in Place Province sounds BORING, Location Place in State Province sounds AWESOME, or something like that. Anyway, you get it! Provinces should have their own, province-y names!
A question: are we ever getting culture-accurate location names for Brittany? It would be so cool!
On cultures, i will corrobate a previous comment on the relying off language boundaries – Not that i disagree heavily with it, but i think that in France's case it can get a bit too much arbitrary, because the whole patois identity often was more microcosmic (at level 1 you speak the language of your village, at level 2 you identify with the people of the villages which you can properly understand). The thing is that, pointing a problem and not entertaining solutions isn't exactly the kind of thing i like to do, so i'm giving my two cents on it.
The Breton/Gallo differentiation is valid, as it was, a core part of Brittany's Late Medieval/Early Modern cultural zeitgeist was its division between Lower (Celtic) and Upper (Romance) Brittany, which was made already in the 14th century (between "Brittania gallicana" and "Brittania britonizans") as of John T. Koch (ed.), Celtic Culture: a historical encyclopedia, Volumes 1-5 (2006), p. 244. But i think the borders shown in the map are innacurate to the time, though, and represent a much more modern (i speak, 18th/19th century) state of things. This map can help us:
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It's a bit messy, but i'd say fairly accurate, anyway, look at the 1500 line there. Now consider that we are in 1337, and Upper Brittany (where it is the most urban and dense-populated) was very heavily affected by Black Death and 100 Years War shenanigans, we should be much closer to the 1200 line. That is, Redon should be predominantly Breton, Guérande should be something along the lines of 60/40 to Gallo, funnily enough, the north seems to be fairly accurate (although, if not the case, Gallo should be around 30-40% in Saint-Brieuc, and the majority of burgher pops).
But more importantly, it should be a bigger culture, it is, in fact, not simply "Romance Breton", it is a frontier culture generated during the period of the Marches of Neustria, and should extend further by this time: The area where it is minority under Poitevin should be dominant Gallo (with Poitevin minorities), and Avranches/Mortain both should have a sizable (~30%) minority. I'd also argue for Mayenne to be Gallo, because there's almost no isogloss between its eastern dialects and Mayennais, while Angevin and Mayennais were always considered separate patois, i understand that there's no reason for a single-location Mayennois culture, but i think it would be much more accurate if Mayennois was to be subsumed into Gallo rather than into Angevin, considering that, there should be slight Angevin minorities in Mayenne, and slight Gallo minorities in Laval. Also, burgher pops in Lower Brittany should have a significant Gallo component, as they were often "imported" during the founding of new towns.
There are some reasonable potential mergers, too. Poitevin and Saintongeais maybe, i think Franc Comtois should be subsumed under Bourguignon, mostly due to identitary evidence (as of, we know that during the game's time period, being "Burgundian" was a thing, and the Free County of Burgundy was obviously part of such identity), that song about Picards and Bourguignons comes to mind. Talking of Bourguignon, isn't that culture extending a bit too much to the north? I really don't know a thing about that, just asking because sometimes questions brings problems to light.
LAST THING! There should be Gascon (probably burgher?) pops on Tolosa/San Sebastian, since many towns on Gipuzkoa were founded by the settling in of Gascon populations from the more-urban region north of the Pyrenees, as can be seen here (it's in Spanish, sorry anglos). I also find it kinda strange that there are no significant basque minority in the province between Laredo and Bilbao (can't read it), since Castro de Urdiales was the border for majority Basque-speaking land by c. 1200, there should be some in Laredo, too, but i wouldn't expect them to appear on the map because too small of a minority.
Better men than me can talk about terrain, climate and goods, that's not my trade (not on this region, at least), but i do agree on including the Cathars remnants in the map! Also, where the Waldensians? I want them!
Again, thank you (incl. regular forum readers, this was a very long post lol) for your time! Also, for some reason i had to edit in 60% of my post because it was getting spam-flagged for no apparent reason, so well, that was frustrating.
1. In a first iteration of the map we protrayed the lands of Évreux in France belonging to Navarre; I think they might have been detached to Évreux after we added them, we may check.
2. There are Gascon pops in Gipuzkoa and a few more northern Iberian regions, yes.
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Feel free to open a forum thread if you want; however, we won't be able to comment stuff in detail until its assigned Tinto Maps arrives, as with other regions.
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