Tinto Maps #3 - 24th of May 2024 - France

[Pavía]

But will the mechanics for handling the succession of personal unions be sophisticated enough to possibly recreate what happened in the historical Burgundian inheritance?

I think that's a pretty good benchmark to measure whether the game can successfully model the kinds of tensions arising between feudal claims (reverting to the crown upon extinction of the male line) vs dynastic claims that would certainly be present in 1337 Europe.

That will be discussed in a future Tinto Talks.

 

[Pavía]

As I've mentioned in a couple of other threads, we're currently working on the feedback of Tinto Maps for the French region. The location density will be similar to Iberia, and less than the Low Countries and Italy. A sneak peek of this is the former location of Paris, which was a bit big (as it was portraying Île-de-France), and now is a bit more subdivided:

PS: It's WAD that Paris is now isolated from the rest of the world...

 

[Pavía]

Have we heard something about the France post-feedback thread yet? I thought it was supposed to be out by this week?

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-3-france-feedback.1693702/#post-29745912

 

[SaintDaveUK]

Hi, dauphinois here.

First of all, let met tell you I absolutely love these map dev diaries! The granularity is insane for a game of this scale.

Secondly, let me preface by saying I have not studied history or anything like that but I have a few interrogations. It is possible I am completely wrong about these next sentences as I am but a mere Maths Teacher.

I do not know what "Dauphiné valentinois" refers to even after searching a bit for the term online. It seems like a mix of two different things : The "dauphiné" (which could be called "Le Dauphiné De Viennois" but in 1337, the capital of the Dauphiné has not been Vienne for 200+ years if I recall correctly) which is a state of the HRE in 1337 (which is named "Viennois" sadly on the political map...) and the "valentinois" which joined the french realm in 1316.

It is the Dauphiné that will indeed be sold by the last "independent" "dauphin" Humber II in 1349 to future king of France Charles V.

As I said, in 1337, the capital of the Dauphiné is now Grenoble and has been for a while so is it possible to consider a name change from "Viennois" ? To "Dauphiné" or "Dauphiné de Viennois"?
On a side-note, I think "Viennois" was never used to call the whole Dauphiné but only for one the four countries of the "Bas-Dauphiné", the one surrounding Vienne (obviously) afaik.
"Dauphiné" is really the important word imo as its was called "Le dauphin". When it got acquired by the french realm, the tradition stayed and the oldest son of the king became called the "dauphin".

Thank you very much for these reads and delicious screenshots!

"Dauphiny of Viennois" is the full name of the country in Caesar. It's just shortened to Viennois for the map.