Tinto Maps #30 - 20th of December 2024 - South America

[nyetflix2]

Been looking forward to this one for a long time as well. A big thank you to the devs for all your work so far!

1. What is the primary culture and court language of Cusco? I think they should be Aymara and Puquina respectively, based on Peruvian linguist Rodolfo Cerron Palomino’s work Las Lenguas de los Incas.
2. Aymara culture/language should be more widespread in southern and even central (as Jaqi) Peru. This paper and the book I listed in my first point both discuss this.
3. There should be Puquina minorities throughout the Titicaca basin and they should probably be the majority in a few locations on the northern shore of the lake. But I assume this will come in the minority pass.

I will doubtlessly be working on location, culture, language and perhaps political map suggestions in the days and weeks to come. I will also say once again that the population seems low to me, even for conservative estimates.

 

[Sapa Inca]

I was waiting a lot for this Tinto Map.
I will post more detailed suggestions later, after work. But at first sight looks good with the exception of the wastelands in southeast Brazil.

 

[nyetflix2]

How is gameplay going to work as Cusco, trying to form the Inca Empire, with so many uncolonized lands in the region? Honestly surprised about that.

Also the Muisca should technically have a few more subdivisions, such as Tundama and Iraca iirc.

 

[Syphse]

Wow!, much excitement!

Though this does raise a question i've been meaning to ask for a while, will there be a custom nation option for us to create our own countries? or is that out the scope for your release plan?

Cause there are several silly areas like here I would love to play in, if given the chance

 

[arkh4ngelsk]

Can we get a close-up of locations in the Falklands/South Georgia?

Will the Galapagos be covered in a later Tinto Maps extra?

 

[Birchinjaro]

For the Colonies:will there be some kind of decision to unify all colonies of the same Culture group/Language after independence into one big country?Kind of like what Colombia wanted to do/what the US could have done with the Canadian colonies,maybe the name could be decided by the player after clicking the decision

 

[nyetflix2]

Inga culture should not exist yet as it was a consequence of the Inca expansion. It should probably be Kamentsa culture instead. The Inga location can be renamed to Sibundoy.

Edit: same for Napuruna, which should be replaced/renamed with Quijo culture. Both of these should be given their own languages, Kamentsa being a language isolate and Quijo of unknown affiliation but certainly not Quechua.

 

[KitChaos]

can't believe there's only 5.07 people in the andes smh

 

[Streamlet]

• 5.07 in Andes
• 877K in Chaco
• 1.4M in La Plata

Can I interact with the 5 individuals (and I assume a baby?) in the Andes?

 

[Genabab]

I'm not sure if this applied only to the incan's, or to all of pre incan Peru and the Andes. But again citing the book 1491, there appears to be a decent amount of evidence that shows that the incans not only lacked money as a thing. But also had no markets either.

Not only did Pachakuti reconfigure the capital, he laid out the institutions that characterized Tawantinsuyu itself. For centuries, villagers had spent part of their time working in teams on community projects. Alternately bullying and cajoling, Pachakuti expanded the service obligation unrecognizably. In Tawantinsuyu, he decreed, all land and property belonged to the state (indeed, to the Inka himself). Peasants thus had to work periodically for the empire as farmers, herders, weavers, masons, artisans, miners, or soldiers. Often crews spent months away from home. While they were on the road, the state fed, clothed, and housed them—all from goods supplied by other work crews. Conscripts built dams, terraces, and irrigation canals; they grew crops on state land and raised herds on state pastures and made pots in state factories and stocked hundreds of state warehouses; they paved the highways and supplied the runners and llamas carrying messages and goods along them. Dictatorially extending Andean verticality, the imperium shuttled people and materiel in and out of every Andean crevice. Not the least surprising feature of this economic system was that it functioned without money. True, the lack of currency did not surprise the Spanish invaders—much of Europe did without money until the eighteenth century. But the Inka did not even have markets. Economists would predict that this nonmarket economy—vertical socialism, it has been called—should produce gross inefficiencies. These surely occurred, but the errors were of surplus, not want. The Spanish invaders were stunned to find warehouses overflowing with untouched cloth and supplies. But to the Inka the brimming coffers signified prestige and plenty; it was all part of the plan. Most important, Tawantinsuyu “managed to eradicate hunger,” the Peruvian novelist Mario Vargas Llosa noted.

I'm curious how this will be handled. Are there any plans for dealing with this? Or is it one of those situations where being completely 100% historically accurate is something that comes at too big of a conceptual cost?

 

[Billybobbill]

Now that the Tinto Maps are drawing to a close, would it be possible to know how base trade goods are distributed? (Like, 7.23% of all locations have fish, 1.74% have marble, etc; or 827 locations have fish, etc). Would be an interesting insight into the game's economy.

(I'll make the script to extract that info if that's all it takes, if you can show what location description files look like )

 

[Schnitzelschale]

Could you show us the full world map, now that all regions have been revealed?

 

[matfer13]

Can you make the Amazon river navigable to Sanatrem?

 

[Pavía]

Been looking forward to this one for a long time as well. A big thank you to the devs for all your work so far!

1. What is the primary culture and court language of Cusco? I think they should be Aymara and Puquina respectively, based on Peruvian linguist Rodolfo Cerron Palomino’s work Las Lenguas de los Incas.
2. Aymara culture/language should be more widespread in southern and even central (as Jaqi) Peru. This paper and the book I listed in my first point both discuss this.
3. There should be Puquina minorities throughout the Tititcaca basin, but I assume this will come in the minority pass.

I will doubtlessly be working on location, culture, language and perhaps political map suggestions in the days and weeks to come. I will also say once again that the population seems low to me, even for conservative estimates.

1. Inka and Quechuan.
2. Noted.
3. Noted.

 

[ThyroidNautilus]

Tinto Forum Posters when there isn't a Tinto Maps for Rectangle Debug Island:

Jokes aside, this genuinely looks fantastic, props to the dev team as always!

 

[Pavía]

How is gameplay going to work as Cusco, trying to form the Inca Empire, with so many uncolonized lands in the region? Honestly surprised about that.

Also the Muisca should technically have a few more subdivisions, such as Tundama and Iraca iirc.

They have some unique features, but it's pretty hardcore at this moment, TBH.

 

[nyetflix2]

Ok, on my first look, I like the location density in Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and Colombia. Will review it more deeply later.

 

[Pavía]

Can we get a close-up of locations in the Falklands/South Georgia?

Will the Galapagos be covered in a later Tinto Maps extra?

Eventually...

 

[Pavía]

For the Colonies:will there be some kind of decision to unify all colonies of the same Culture group/Language after independence into one big country?Kind of like what Colombia wanted to do/what the US could have done with the Canadian colonies,maybe the name could be decided by the player after clicking the decision

Could be a thing, bookmarking.