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Tinto Maps #30 - 20th of December 2024 - South America

Hello and welcome to one Friday of map-loving! Today is special, as our 30th Tinto Maps, devoted to South America, is the last regular one. This implies that it won’t be the last, though - we plan to have two Tinto Maps Extra on December 27th and January 3rd, and then we will continue with the Tinto Maps Feedback posts as we progress with the map review.

But don’t worry, as on the first post-Christmas Friday, January 10th, I will start a new series, Tinto Flavor, in which we will show the content that we have been working on for Project Caesar. And I promise you, it’s a ton of content, so you will have to play the game in due time to discover it all…

Before we continue, one note: as we're covering a lot of lands today, don't be shy and ask for more detailed maps of the type you want wherever you want them, and I'll try to provide in the replies. And now, let’s start with the South American maps:

Countries
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Most of the countries that can be considered being at a State-wise level in 1337 are mostly concentrated in what is today Perú. We have famous ones, as the Chimu or Chincha, and you may also see a tiny country, Qusqu, which would later become the Inca Empire, the long-term goal while playing in the region.

Dynasties
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SoPs
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There are SoPs spread out all across the continent, making for a really interesting mix in the Peruvian area (again). We're already thinking about how to better visualize the coexistence of these two types of countries in the political layer, but it's going to take us some more time to get there.

Locations
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One note: I'll talk a bit more in-depth about the design of the Brazilian locations if you scroll down, in the Terrain section.

Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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There are huge geographical variations in South America, being one of the most diverse continents. One of the things I wanted to discuss is that we've tried to portray the Mata Atlântica, the original forest cover that was present in Brazil before the Portuguese colonized it, and a different type of land exploitation started. In this regard, we've been reading the feedback of the Brazilian community, and I want to say that our intention here is to portray the most realistic situation for 1337. That said, we've already internally discussed that we may reduce its scope, so it doesn't look so extreme, but we'd like to hear your opinions about it. And here you have one of the images that we used as a reference for it, so you get a good grasp of our intention:
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Development
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Natural Harbors
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Culture
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The jewel of the crown in this region. We've tried to portray the Pre-Columbian cultural diversity of these lands as accurately as possible, and, well, here you have the results.

Languages
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And the languages that group these cultures.

Religions
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We've tried to do our best to group the cultural religions of South America into different groups, based on common believes, gods, rituals, etc. Let us know what do you think of them. Oh, also, the Inti religion has its own differentiate mechanics, which we'll explain in the future!

Raw Goods
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Lots of different natural resources in South America. You may note that some are more common compared to other regions (such as Medicaments). We've also been tweaking the color of different resources, with the help of your feedback!

Markets
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The green market is centered around Teyuna, and the red one is Chinchay.

Population
Some issues with the map of the region this week (sadly), so let's discuss the numbers. The total in the continent is 10.22M, divided this way:
  • 1.66M in Colombia
  • 1.2M in Brazil
  • 5.07M in Andes
  • 877K in Chaco
  • 1.4M in La Plata
And that's all for today! We hope that you enjoyed the Tinto Maps series! We've definitely done, and it's also greatly helping us to make Project Caesar a much better game, with your help and feedback. Cheers!
 
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I did a rather exhaustive feedback regarding the Colombia region a few months back, which you can check out on this post: Tinto Maps-Colombia Feedback, Suggestions and Ideas.

However, I would like to give some more words-based feedback regarding the weird areas shown for the Colombia region in this Tinto Maps. For this reason, I did a table explaining the reasons for changing the names of some areas, splitting others or rearranging the borders of others:

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BTW, sorry for not making a proper table on here, I did this on a Google Docs whenever I had some time and I really didn't have much time to reformat it again into a table in this forum, so sorry about that.

Here's a sketch of what those areas might look like on a map:

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Shouldn't Robinson Crusoe island (Mas a Tierra) and its neighbour be Mediterranean or Subtropical climate?
I'll admit this comes from wikipefia where they are described as subtropical with most of the presipitation during winter.
 
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The Muisca culture area between the Muzo and Yariguí cultures shouldn't be of Muisca culture. It should either be of Yariguí or Opón culture. Meanwhile, the area that currently has Yariguí culture should have Guane culture and have either the Muisca religion or the Chibchan religion and language. I'm still hoping for more location density at least in the Muisca region, to properly represent the Muisca and their various chiefdoms that were loosely connected to the main chiefdoms of Bacatá and Hunza.
 
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Condesuyos (Cundi) appears to be wasteland, but Chumbivilcas and the Pukiupuquio location (corresponding to Lucanas) should be changed to Aimara-speaking cultures.

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Kallawaya/Callahuaya is today a mixed language, with a core vocabulary from Pukina, most of the morphosyntax from Quechua, and some elements from Aimara. It is a secret language used by itinerant healers, passed down as a tradition distinguishing from surrounding Aimara and Quechua speakers. Thus the best choice of language for the Kallawaya culture is Pukina.

This is almost certainly still a very incomplete look at the linguistic situation of the region at the time (this book talks about Aymaran in particular showing up all over the place), but in lieu of more precise information, it's better than nothing.

Source: Adelaar, Willem F.H. Languages of the Middle Andes in areal-typological perspective: Emphasis on Quechuan and Aymaran (2012)

Seems likely that the Ishma culture of Lima spoke central Aimara, but I have yet to find a proper source on it.
 
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I don't have differing naming systems to propose, but both Quechua and Aimara languages could be divided into dialects.

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Aimara language
  • Jaqi/Central Aimara dialect
    • Yawyu
    • Yaro
  • Southern Aimara dialect
    • Aimara culture
    • Churajon culture
    • Chuwi culture
    • Chango culture (though their language is doubtful to be sure - this paper mentions the possibility that they spoke something related to Uru, which makes sense considering both were fishermen peoples)
    • Qhara qhara culture
    • Killaka culture
    • Mollo culture
    • Any other Aimara-speaking cultures added around southern Peru or Lake Titicaca
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Quechua language:
  • Southern Quechua dialect (Quechua IIC)
    • Anccara culture?
    • Wari culture - this culture is all over the place and I doubt it should even exist in 1337, but if we're saying its heartland is in the southern highlands, it should be in this group
    • Chanka culture
    • Killke culture
    • Inka culture - this variety stands out as the only one to use ejective and aspirated stops (like p' t' k' q' ch'; ph th kh qh). This is actually originally a feature of Aymara, not Quechua, and entered this variety through a heavy Aymara substrate. Although it is mutually intelligible with the Chanka dialect even today, I could understand a desire to give this a separate dialect for flavor purposes, because it will obviously change the spelling of names. And yes, I did suggest making the Incas speak Aimara or Pukina, but I totally understand why that is unlikely to be implemented. So, as long as they speak Quechua, here is where they should fall.

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  • Coastal Quechua/Chinchay dialect (Quechua IIB) - this group is severely underdocumented, and its only modern representatives are the Quechua varieties of Ecuador and Amazonian Peru (Chachapoyas and Lamas), which of course do not yet exist in 1337. It is particularly associated with the Chincha culture, but besides that this list is nothing but my own educated guess. Definitely, it spread along the coasts around Lima.
    • Chincha culture
    • Ychsma culture (if kept as Quechua-speaking)
    • Atavillos culture
    • Chancay culture
    • Huarco culture
    • Inga culture (if kept in the game at all)
  • Central Quechua/Waywash dialect (Quechua I)
    • Wanka culture
    • Huayla culture
    • Xauxa culture
  • Quechua IIA does not exist yet. It would spread to northern Peru, around Cajamarca, with the Inca conquests.
As the name implies, Quechua IIB, IIA and IIC are closer to each other than to Quechua I. But I figured the number of cultures justifies splitting the II branch, and if we take modern Cusco and Ecuadorian Quechua as representatives they are noticeably distinct. To make an analogy, I guess it's like how it's best to split Middle and High German despite those two being closer to each other than to Dutch or Low German.
 
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There should be some cultural overlap between Chimu (Quingnam) and Xllang (Mochica) cultures in Peru, see attachments
 

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