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Tinto Maps #6 Great Britain & Ireland Feedback

9 September 2024 12 May 2025​


What an exciting week we have had, and best of all I finally get to say the name Europa Universalis V. It still feels weird in my mouth after carefully saying Caesar for what feels like a lifetime.

But lo, the day is finally come for the British Isles feedback thread. This short update was supposed to come out a few months ago, but I just had to teach some of you a lesson. Also I had a lot of other things on, like appearing in the announcement show last week.


Here we see the updated topography:

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The updated vegetation:
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Many impassable barriers have been added, for example the various peaks of the Pennines and the Wicklow Mountains. The Shannon also now poses a more significant barrier between east and west Ireland, with only a few crossing points often guarded by stockades.


Here we have the Locations map, bear in mind they are only showing the default English names but many places have Gaelic or Brythonic versions.

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Every country has had a general increase in density.

England, in particular the south, has had a big revamp at Location and Province level to more accurately reflect the historical counties, many of them pre-Norman in origin and many of them still in use today in some form. Westminster as a capital has been killed and rolled into a monolithic London.




Provinces:
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Areas:

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And political mapmode (with overlord colouring off):
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And Dynasties:
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We have added the Earldom of Orkney in the northern isles as a Norwegian vassal. Meanwhile the Palatinate of Durham and Chester have both been promoted from a special set of buildings to vassals under England. Wales has also been limited strictly to the Principality of Wales, with the marcher lords existing as very low control locations under England.

Ireland has had a major rework in terms of locations and tags. Mostly there have been minor Irish chieftaincies added. As always we are grateful to the many suggestions that have come from the forumers.



Culture:
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The most obvious culture change is that English has had Northumbrian split off, to represent the divide between southern and northern dialects and attitudes. A practical example of this is how in the south the English are more friendly to Normans, whereas the Northumbrians hate them (the northern shires still bear the scars of the Harrying of the North). Northumbrians and Scots also spoke a similar form of English in this period, so it helps to set them up as a sort of middleman.

Norwegians in northern Scotland and the nearby North Atlantic have also been split into Norn.


As a bonus, Court Language, showing 3 main worlds: Gaelic, Anglo-French, and Roman Catholic Bishoprics.

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There have also been some changes to Raw Goods, as you can see here:

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We still have time to make some changes, so let us know what we can do to push this even further towards where it needs to be.

I won’t show Population numbers right now, as it’s pending a proper rework. Among other things, the idea is to reduce the population numbers in England.
 
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Will the Anglo-Norman Lords in Ireland have a chance to accept Irish as their primary culture? The interesting thing about these lords is that they very quickly took up Irish customs, which is where the saying "More Irish than the Irish themselves" comes from. Or perhaps it could make sense to have a hybrid culture be their main culture?

Edit: Perhaps this was already addressed
I wonder if Anglo-Irish is in the same culture group as English or Irish? I agree with you that I think the best way to address this either way would be to give the player a very easy decision to decide their own path, so you can simulate, for example, the Desmond rebellions and become "more Irish than the Irish themselves" as the saying suggests

Is Desmond's starting primary culture Anglo-Irish or Irish, the striped map is a bit confusing for me, it could mean one of:

- Anglo-Irish primary culture with Irish majority
- Irish primary culture with Anglo-Irish minority
- Some other combination
 
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NORN CULTURE!!!! This might be my favorite map review (so far)
 
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In 1337 Genoa had some minor trade posts in Southampton and London(Londra in Italian/Gallo-Italic) that they used to commerce with England directly and trade wool to the Flanders via their fondaco in Bruges
 
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Should the Pennines really be considered impassable wastelands when their highest peak is less than 900m? I mean they are referred as hills on Wikipedia
They’re hills in the sense that the definition of a mountain requires it to be 1000m above sea level.

No army is going to be navigated up and over the peaks of the hills. I think it’s reasonable to make it impassable, as you would always go around.
 
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Can you further divide the english ones to resemble its modern regions more?
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Divide the Midlands in two call the west Mercia and the east five boroughs/daneborough(I found this second name online but I don't think it was ever used officially), divede the north in three with Northumbria, Yorkshire and Lancashire(this last one covers more than the actual shire but it's fitting specially for the war of the Roses) and finally put Bedfordshire in East Anglia
 
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Also, not sure if this is the best place to ask, but the ‘Celtic Traditions’ government reform available to Gaelic and Brythonic courts specifies ‘Can be member of a High Kingship’. Would this imply that there are more High Kingships than just Ireland, or is it just the way the localisation is written?
The High Kingship is designed as a generic system so in theory you could have one in any region. There isn't currently mechanics to form a new one though, so it's very theoretical right now.
 
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I’m really disappointed with the confirmation the population is going to be reduced, the low estimates tend to stop at a little over 4mil and the high estimates a little over 6mil so the 5.3 struck previously seemed practically and reasonable given the swaths of conflicting data.

Also I appreciate the issue with Bradford not actually being in Bradford Provence but surely the answer to that was to move the Leeds border a smidge not rename it to Skipton.

The Pennines having some impassible breaks it up nicely. Though the culture change to Northumbrian is just kow towing to the people who didn’t like the unified English culture but as a proud Yorkshireman I can never say I’ve seen any evidence that Northumbrianism was that strong at this point and certainly not in Yorkshire, perhaps an argument for it in Northumbria and Cumbria still but then you have the argument of if it’s worth the extra code?

Apologies for being so negative I’ve waited almost a year for this
 
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honestly, this just seems like waste of everyones productive time. just remove the british isles, and add them later as some dlc/alt history flavour... focus on getting the game ready for the release 13th of august.
 
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