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Tinto Maps #7 - 21st of June 2024 - Anatolia

Hello everyone, and welcome to the seventh edition of Tinto Maps! I am once again asking for your support back to the duty of showing a new region of the map of the super secret Project Caesar, which this week is Anatolia!

Countries:
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A beautifully divided Anatolia! The disintegration of the Sultanate of Rûm in the 13th century, caused by the Mongol invasion, led to multiple Turkish Beyliks grabbing power over their area. Probably the strongest in 1337 is the Ottoman one, founded by the Turkoman leader Osman Ghazi, but there are other strong contenders such as the Eretnids, the Germiyanids, or the Karamanids, which will be fighting for hegemony over the region. You might also notice that the Byzantine Empire//Eastern Roman Empire//Basileía Rhōmaíōn//[insert here your favorite naming option] still holds a few positions in Anatolia, the most notable being the city of Philadelphia. Apart from them, other interesting countries in the region are the Despotate of Trebizond, held by the Komnenoi, the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, and, of course, The-country-known-in-another-IP-as-Hisn-Kayfa, the Ayyubid remnant in al-Jazira. And you might also notice some Genoese outposts, making them important players as well.

Dynasties:
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The dynastic map is pretty straightforward, as a different dynasty rules each Beylik. We have fixed the issue with the random dynasty names, so no more weird 'the XXXX of XXXX' dynastic names anymore. To spice things up, we could maybe start a Byzantine discussion: Palaiologos, or Komnenos?

Locations:
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As usual, please consider that dynamic location naming is not yet a thing in this region, and therefore the inconsistencies in the language used. As an additional note of caution, please don’t use the Aegean Islands as a reference or benchmark for comparison, as a review of them is something that we’ve got on our list of ‘to do’. You may be able to see that the location density in the region is gradual, from denser coastal regions to bigger inland ones.

Provinces:
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We have changed the coloring of the provinces, making them more different, and easier to understand, though. Apart from that, suggestions in this matter are welcomed, as usual.

Terrain:
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The terrain in Anatolia is quite interesting and unique, as it’s composed of very different features: the central Anatolian Plateau, with a colder climate and more sparse vegetation, is opposed to the rugged and more forested coastlines to the north and south, while only having fluvial flatlands to the west, and in Cilicia (an area that always has been a choke point between Anatolia and Syria. And to the east, the territory becomes increasingly more mountainous, as it approaches the Caucasus.

Cultures:
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Anatolia is the first region of the Middle East with cultural and religious minorities added, just in time for this Tinto Maps, so we can have endless discussions about the divide between the Greek and Turkish cultures! Hurray! Now seriously, we’ve made what we think is the most accurate division for 1337, given the scarcity of data. The stripes point to a variation of the pop percentages in each location, from let’s say 70% of Greeks in Izmit or Bursa, to 80% of Turks in Ankara or Konya. We have also added some subdivisions of these cultures, with the Pontic and Cappadocian Greeks; and the Turkomans (you might note a majority of them around Sivas and Malatya), that portray more a ‘class//social grouping’ divide than an ethnic or language divide, as these Turkoman pops are always tribesmen, while we consider the settled population as Turkish. Other than that, we have a good amount of Armenians distributed between the areas of Cilicia and Armenia; Laz people to the north; and Kurds to the east (the brownish-greenish culture). Also, please ignore the chunk of Syria that appears, as the minorities there are not yet done.

Religions:
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We’re back to interesting religious divisions! We have in Anatolia Orthodox, Sunni, Miaphysite, and Nestorian pops. And if you wonder what are those pink stripes in Thrace, they are a Paulician minority.

Raw Materials:
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There are some interesting materials distributed all over Anatolia, such as Alum (which was a main export to Italy, usually handled by the merchant republics), Silk, Marble, or Copper. And if you’re wondering about the Spices, they were previously Saffron.

Markets:
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The market centers of the region are Constantinople to the west, Trebizond to the north, and Damascus to the south. Nothing speaks against a Turkish Beylik conquering one or all of them, or creating a new market center, probably in the middle of the Anatolian Plateau, although probably it will require some infrastructure to make it fully functional.

Location and Country Population:
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And populations. Byzantium has some edge over each of the Beylikz, but not if they ally with each other, or if they ally with its Balkanic rivals… Also, have I heard about a 66K Ayyubid challenge?

That’s all for today! We’ll most likely be uploading the French feedback results by the end of next week or at the start of the following one (as next week there's an important bank holiday for this company, Midsommar St. John's Day, and some people will be on vacation a few days), and in the meantime, we'll also be reading and answering your feedback about Anatolia. And next Friday, we will be taking a look at Russia. See you then!

PS: I had a flight today that was delayed, therefore the delay on the DD until an (interesting) hour in which I'll be available for replying.
 
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Do the Ottomans (or another Bayelik) have Ottoman open succession laws? Since you have characters, it should be an easy thing to implement, and it would mean that whilst the player would have some influence over who inherits, you can have a bit of randomness cause characters to be delayed and inherit differently.
 
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Why not? A lot of countries with different religions claimed to be Rome's ancestors, I think Ottomans did too to some extent. Would make sense if they capitalized on this, if chances came.
 
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Not gonna lie, I don't like how some cultures here aren't detailed. But I like that Turkish and Turcoman are split (I don't see much of the latter, could be explained I guess)
But still, not seeing how Armenians split into atleast Armenian and Cilician or Syriacs split into something like Aramaic and Assyrian is confusing. Perhaps Greek aswell could be split between North and South even. Atleast Cappadocians are added, which is nice
 
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Regarding dynamic names, is it possible for you to create separate files for the names, instead of keeping them in the default 'Location' file? I am asking because in EU4, there are many mods that add a lot of dynamic names. However, since these names are stored in the files that define provinces, the checksum is altered, making all these mods not ironman compatible. And these changes don't affect the gameplay in any way.Because I would love to have all the location names in Polish (when I conquered it) and play the ironman at the same time.
 
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Do the Ottomans (or another Bayelik) have Ottoman open succession laws? Since you have characters, it should be an easy thing to implement, and it would mean that whilst the player would have some influence over who inherits, you can have a bit of randomness cause characters to be delayed and inherit differently.
The plan is that the Turkish Beyliks will have a different succession law, yes.
 
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Is it me out do the colors look more rich then earlier? I've been complaining here and there about how washed out many countries colours looked but here it seems pretty good. Well done, I prefer my Byzantium purper instead of washed out pink.
 
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Well the Ottomans did claim to be the Roman Empire so it would kinda make sense if they could
It's different claiming to be the successors to Rome, than restoring the Roman Empire, as a polity with a certain set of institutions, religion, etc., at least to my eyes.
 
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Not yet, is a bit early in development for that. I guess that our aim is that the Ottomans usually are the regional winners, and kill the Byzantines (sorry!), but we don't have a set outcome percentage ATM.
"Ottomans usually are the regional winners, and kill the Byzantines (sorry!)"
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(Please spare us the torture)
 
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You may want to rename Greek ethnicity to Romaioi as the term Greek was considered a grievous insult by those people. On the other hand, they literally used Greek as their native language. Would be interesting to see the culture shift back to the label Greek in the event of the collapse of the politea.
 
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Do you have an estimate of how many locations have an (alternative) localized Greek name for when they're owned by a greek culture tag? Same for a Turkish-culture one.
 
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Regarding dynamic names, is it possible for you to create separate files for the names, instead of keeping them in the default 'Location' file? I am asking because in EU4, there are many mods that add a lot of dynamic names. However, since these names are stored in the files that define provinces, the checksum is altered, making all these mods not ironman compatible. And these changes don't affect the gameplay in any way.Because I would love to have all the location names in Polish (when I conquered it) and play the ironman at the same time.
The dynamic localization is in a different localization file. I'm not yet sure how the Ironman will work, but I guess that it shouldn't be issue.
 
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he probably mean the Rum's dream ( Rum is Roman in turkish and the seldjouks then ottomans were effectively going really behind that muslim Rome claim for few reasons suchs
- most of their subjects in anatolia were Romans who converted to islam , thus technically making them muslim Romans
- there is that famous Rule made by constantin that state that anyone who capture Constantinople and its crown is legally a Roman empire .
and since the germans did it in the west the muslims did it in the east .

Ottoman sultans did wear Byzantine crowns on certain occasions. This was often a symbolic act meant to assert their authority and legitimacy over the territories they had conquered, including former Byzantine lands. Its also to demonstrate their continuity with the traditions and symbols of the earlier empire.

Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror is reported to have used Byzantine regalia. This included the ceremonial wearing of a Byzantine-style crown to signify his role as the successor to the Byzantine emperors and to solidify his claim over the Byzantine territories. This act of adopting Byzantine symbols was part of the strategy to legitimize Ottoman rule in the eyes of both his Muslim and Christian subjects.

this mean Ottomans ( haters can denie it as long they can ) had a true grasp over the Byzantine identity and used it a lot . venitians especially almost always met the sultan while he was wearing the crown asa message that they are dealing with Rome .

in short the image was
- to middle easterns the Ottomans were the new grand caliphate worthy to be on same level as ummayades and abbassides .
- to Europeans and Roman anatolians the Ottomans were to be a new Roman nation more legitimate than Moscow who self claimed to be a 3rd Rome.
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