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Tinto Maps #8 - 28th of June 2024 - Russia

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Maps! This week we’ll be taking a look at Russia!

As an introductory note, we’re just considering today the ‘Russian core’, which in 1337 comprised the different Russian Principalities, as far as the White Sea to the north, and the Ural Mountains to the east. The lands that would later be incorporated into the Russian Empire will be covered in future Tinto Maps (otherwise, we would have to cover like… 1/8th? of the land mass in just one DD).

Countries
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Russia is divided into several Principalities in 1337. The dominant one probably is Muscovy, as its Grand Prince, Ivan I Danilovich ‘Kalita’ (‘Moneybag’) is also Prince of Nizhny Novgorod and Kostroma, and of Novgorod (by election, in this case). He also holds the title of Grand Prince of Vladimir, bestowed by the Khan of the Golden Horde, which makes him the ruler enforcing the ‘Tatar Yoke’ over other Russian Principalities (which in our game is represented through an IO; the coloring of the different countries is different tones of yellow as they are tributaries of the Yoke). The other main power in the region is the Grand Republic of Novgorod, with a completely different institutional structure, that allows them to pick their rulers. Their power comes from being the main trading power between the Baltic Sea and the Russian region, and it’s the overlord of two border countries, the Principality of Pskov, and the County of Oreshek, a buffer country in Karelia, as agreed with Sweden after a recent war. Several lands to the north and east are not owned by any country. As a final note, you may also see that Lithuania is the overlord of some of the principalities, some of them directly through Gediminid rulers (Polotsk or Vitebsk), while other over Rurikovich rulers (Smolensk or Rzhev).

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The starting diplomatic of Muscovy and the Tatar Yoke IO, for the sake of clarity.

Dynasties
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Several branches of the House of Rurik rule over the Russian lands. Fun fact: we have 18 different branches portrayed in the game. The exceptions are a few principalities, and the ruler of Karelia, Prince Narimantas of the Lithuanian Gediminids. Also, the 'Cherdyn' and 'Vyatka' are randomly assigned dynasties, as we haven't been able to get the data for those countries on 1337.

Locations
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We’re showing a less detailed region this week because, well, Russia is big. Feel free to ask for more detailed screenshots of specific areas, and I’ll try to provide them. We’re also showing some parts of the Steppe, Finland, and Kola, because of the scale of the map; take them as ‘unavoidable spoilers’, as we’ll talk more in-depth about them in future Tinto Maps.

Provinces
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The provinces of Russia. As usual, suggestions are welcomed!

Terrain
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Terrain map modes. As discussed in previous Tinto Maps, we’ll read carefully your feedback, as we have plenty of room to polish them!

Cultures
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Cultures! As in other regions, we decided to have three different cultures in the Russian region, Novgorodian, Muscovite, and Severian. The design here is different than in the Ruthenian region, because Russia was more politically divided in the High Middle Ages, and would later be more culturally unified later on, while in Ruthenia, the situation would be the opposite. In any case, the four of them are East Slavic cultures, and we're open to feedback, of course. Apart from that, there are a bunch of different cultures bordering the region: Karelian, Pomor, Komi, Udmurt, etc. We might add some more minorities of these cultures, in the feedback pass after this DD. Also, take into account that the minorities over the Tatar lands (currently under the Kazani and Mishary cultures) are not yet done.

Religions
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Eastern Orthodoxy is dominant in the region, although there are other religions in the area, as well; take ‘Animist’, ‘Tengrist’, and ‘Shamanist’ as wide categories, as we’d like to add a bit more granularity for them (although that will come later this year, don’t expect them to be added in the coming Tinto Maps, but maybe on the later ones). We’ve already seen some posts asking about Slavic Paganism; up until now, we’ve considered the Russian people to be Christianized, even if it was a more or less superficial process. If you’d like us to add this religion and some percentage of the population adhering to it, then I’d ask you for specific sources that could help us portray it (so, isolated references to it being followed here or there won’t be helpful, while academic sources saying ‘up to X% of the population was following Slavic rites’ might very much be).

Raw Materials
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Quite different resources to other regions previously shown, with plenty of Lumber, Fur, and Wild Game in this region. I’ve also extended a bit the screenshot to the east, so you can see the mineral richnesses of the Ural Mountains, with plenty of locations with Copper, Iron, Gold, and Lead, making it quite juicy to colonize.

Markets
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The counter to the richness of the natural resources of the region is its integration into the different markets, which at the start of the game are centered around Novgorod, Moscow, and Kazan. Fully exploiting the economic possibilities of Russia will therefore require effort and patience.

Country and Location population
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Not many people inhabit the Russian core, approximately 6M in total. This poses a series of challenges regarding the expansion of any Russian country. Also, we've divided into 4 different maps of the location population of the region, to make it possible to visualize. A side note: you might note that the population of NW Novgorod and Karelia is calculated a bit differently. That's because Johan took care of drawing the Scandinavian map in an early stage of development, and the Content Design team took over the rest of Russia at a later stage when we had already refined a bit more our population calculation methods. This means that when we do the feedback pass after this Tinto Maps, in a few weeks, we'll homogenize the style, as well.

And this is all for today! We hope that you’ll find it interesting, and give us great feedback! Next week we’re traveling to Carpathia and the Balkans! See you!
 
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I wish it is, because again people will be copy-pasting their feedback like it was in Balkans Tinto Feedback.

I can see right now:
Rzhev and Toropets are still under Lithuania
There is no Mari principality

I hope @Johan reconsiders posting feedback unfinished to not put more strain on @Aldaron reading everything for another time
But thats's what the comments in the feedbacks are about, because some things just weren't read or they forgot about them
 
I wish it is, because again people will be copy-pasting their feedback like it was in Balkans Tinto Feedback.

I can see right now:
Rzhev and Toropets are still under Lithuania
There is no Mari principality

I hope @Johan reconsiders posting feedback unfinished to not put more strain on @Aldaron reading everything for another time
It is also very strange to see that Novgorod is not a part of Tatar Yoke. They paid tribute regularly, with Kalita serving as a mediator, because GH couldnt reach so far personally. There was even a raid in 1337 when Kalita tried to grab some extra money but Novgorodians refused to pay.
 
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It is also very strange to see that Novgorod is not a part of Tatar Yoke. They paid tribute regularly, with Kalita serving as a mediator, because GH couldnt reach so far personally. There was even a raid in 1337 when Kalita tried to grab some extra money and Novgorodians refused to pay.
I think we had a discussion somewhere here about why it should not be part of Yoke. If I recall correctly, GH did not intervene in Novgorod's politics at all. Thats why i believe its better to not include it
 
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I wish it is, because again people will be copy-pasting their feedback like it was in Balkans Tinto Feedback.

I can see right now:
Rzhev and Toropets are still under Lithuania
There is no Mari principality

I hope @Johan reconsiders posting feedback unfinished to not put more strain on @Aldaron reading everything for another time
One of the problems is that the latest posts on the Tinto Maps X thread are no longer read or are so late that they cannot be incorporated into the mod.
 
I think we had a discussion somewhere here about why it should not be part of Yoke. If I recall correctly, GH did not intervene in Novgorod's politics at all.
Its a shame I missed the argument. Could have thrown some of my examples, like when Khan permitted Kalita to keep Novgorodian throne after deposing Tverian prince from Vladimir. Pretty much countrs as intervention.

But even then, I really have no idea why being part of yoke should be decided by being "politically controlled" from Golden horde.
The main objective of Yoke as a mechanic is to gather tribute from Russian principalities through a madiator (owner of Vladimir).
This is what makes a difference between direct tributaries like Novosil and indirect tributes like Tver.
But here Novgorod is just a giant independent green blob that isnt affected by anyone.
 
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I have just noticed that Novgorod probably has a bit wrong name. It was never 'Grand Republic of Novgorod', but 'Rebuplic of Great Novgorod'.

Even though, 'Novgorod Republic' is a much later term, at the time it was just called Novgorod, Great Novgorod or Sovereign Lord Novgorod the Great.
But nothing like the 'Great/Grand Republic'.
 
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I have just noticed that Novgorod probably has a bit wrong name. It was never 'Grand Republic of Novgorod', but 'Rebuplic of Great Novgorod'.

Even though, 'Novgorod Republic' is a much later term, at the time it was just called Novgorod, Great Novgorod or Sovereign Lord Novgorod the Great.
But nothing like the 'Great/Grand Republic'.
How about GREAT PERM?
 
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I have just noticed that Novgorod probably has a bit wrong name. It was never 'Grand Republic of Novgorod', but 'Rebuplic of Great Novgorod'.

Even though, 'Novgorod Republic' is a much later term, at the time it was just called Novgorod, Great Novgorod or Sovereign Lord Novgorod the Great.
But nothing like the 'Great/Grand Republic'.
I think that it should be called Veliky Novgorod considering that Nizhny Novgorod exists
 
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