Tinto Talks #19 - 3rd of July 2024

[Johan]

Why not add automatic spread if a province fulfills the requirements ? The way it works with global trade and industrialism in EU4 is great - you are slower if you don't spawn them yourself, but don't have to rely on the neighbours to spread.

Yeah, thats the solution I am coding atm

 

[Johan]

What happens if historical spawn is turned on but Lisbon is made to no longer be a market centre?

historical spawn is "that location will get it always no matter what"

 

[Johan]

What cost is there for embracing institutions? In EU4 it's just gold, but I always thought it would be interesting to have a stability cost too.

Yeah, can easily be added.

 

[Johan]

If I'm reading correctly it seems that "scientific revolution" is not a precondition for "enlightment" and that "manufactories" is not a precondition for "industrialization", if that's the case I would suggest changing that as it wouldn't make much sense for those institutions to spawn in a place that hasn't embraces the previous one.
Similarly I would also argue that "military revolution" should require all previous military institutions to be embraced for it to spawn.

There will be a lot of requirements for the dynamic spawning.

 

[SaintDaveUK]

On land, Edward III largely concentrated upon Flanders and the Low Countries, where he had gained allies through diplomacy and bribery. A raid in 1339 (the first chevauchée) into Picardy ended ignominiously when Philip wisely refused to give battle.

Does the image for Age of Tradition reference to this event?
I remember when I read the Accursed Kings there was a mention of a raid led by the King who was struggling to settle a camp because of the wind, rain, mud and he returned back to France.

It's not an explicit reference no, but as you can imagine we are always researching lots of different historical circumstances including English campaigns in France so it likely influenced it from the backs of our minds.

 

[Pavía]

Would it not be better to call it 'Religious/Theological Reform' so it makes sense outside of just Europe? It'd be kind of weird and unimmersive to see 'confessionalism' spread throughout India, the Muslim world, China, Indonesia, ect.

I see your point, although 'Religious Reform' sounds very generic, and potentially more un-immersive. We'll continue reading your suggestions, in any case.

 

[Pavía]

wasnt artillery used before pike and shot?

Yes, but it wasn't really generalized as a differentiated weapon system of Early Modern Warfare until the 1600s. It was a bit tricky to set the origin of the Institution, but we decided upon the Ottoman Empire as per their early fielding of artillery corps on the battlefield.

 

[Johan]

I have a question. Protestant Lutherianism started outside the city of Leipzig (Luther spread Lutherian confession outside the city in woods near) so shouldn't confessionalism start in Leipzig? Augsburg was in 1555 and was a treaty that basicly said "Rulers can chose their confession and everyone under them should follow their rullers". I must say I remember these a bit wrong for sure as I haven't read anything about these for a long time

Primarily for the Augsburg Confession

 

[Johan]

I was going to say Stockholm having a population of 50 000 during the relevant period was a damn strech but apperently it grew from 16 000 in 1635 to 60 000 in 1685

Yes, and its also the entire location, not just the city.

 

[Johan]

I'm sorry, but that means mongols don't have a chance to spawn it?

Pretty sure there are plenty of cities owned by Mongol countries.

 

[Johan]

Will there be coal for this, just like in EU4?

Yes

 

[Johan]

Johan, i really wanted to ask if project ceaser is going to be low end pc friendly? Like is it going to be optimized, thanks in advance

It will be greatly optimised, but I'm not sure a low end pc will cut it. I'd not try it on anything with less than 16gb of ram

 

[Johan]

I would add Caravels and Carracks institution to the Age of discovery and move printing press to age of reformation since it makes more relatable to age of reformation rather than age of discovery. And durable ships that were able to cross oceans fits the age of discovery better than printing press I guess.
Yes I am aware we have one excess diplo institution I dont know any suggestion about what to do

The Printing Press was invented by Gutenberg in 1436. Age of Discovery starts about 1437. That is rather perfectly fitting in my opinion

 

[Johan]

Renaissance doesn't make sense anywhere outside of Europe - the Islamic world, East Asia, and South Asia all had robust philosophical traditions where they had continued access to classical texts.

Yes. You are using your eu4 goggles when thinking about the impact of institutions. It will be much more clear next week.

 

[Pavía]

Do you mean "Reframing the Feudal Revolution" (2013)? It's pretty much the only general book of his at his University of Edinburgh profile. https://www.ed.ac.uk/profile/charles-west

Yes, it has a very interesting state-of-art discussion regarding the topic of the Feudal Revolution.

 

[Pavía]

The number of textiles that Mughal India could produce in the 17th century was greater than what Europe could produce, which made India the dominant supplier of textiles to the global market. IMHO it makes sense for proto-factories and manufactories to first spawn either in the Netherlands or in India.

The Indian textile production, especially that of Bengal and its muslin, was very impressive, indeed. However, its production methods are not exactly what we are portraying as 'Manufacturies', with greater emphasis on intensive productive factors. Nonetheless, converting India into the 'textile factory of the world' is perfectly possible in the game, without accounting for the institution, if investing enough population and money into the matter (and, spoiler, there is plenty of population in India).

 

[Pavía]

And Sevilla would probably make more sense as a historical location for the Global Trade institution, even if it's because of the monopoly of the Casa de Contratación.

I don't think so; a Spanish-sponsored expedition was the first to arrive in the New World (America); while the Portuguese had already linked their outposts in Brazil, Africa, India, and East Asia way before the Spanish started their colony in the Philippines, and its annual trading connection with Mexico.

 

[Johan]

This should be the default for some institutions. China invented the printing press (even though without movable type) independently from Europe.

the movable type was the thing though.