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Tinto Talks #30 - 25th September 2024

Welcome to another Tinto Talks, the time of the week when we give you new information about our entirely super secret upcoming game with the codename Project Caesar.

Today we will talk about how conquest works and how integrating the new locations you have conquered will work. With conquest, we are talking about how you take territory through warfare. For how the actual military campaigns work, I recommend reading Tinto Talks 22, 23 and 24.

Casus Belli
To start a war many feel that you need a casus belli for it, which we will refer to a CB for the rest of this talk. If you lack a CB and start a war you will gain some aggressive expansion and lose some stability. Now while this may not be something you may always want, it is a more lenient way to recover instead of spending precious paper mana like in EU4. However, there are multiple ways to get a CB in this game.

Now, Project Caesar does not have a ‘Fabricate Claim’ button that magically creates a CB on any nation, nor do we have a system of claims, but you have several different options to get a CB.

First of all, there is the super old school way of getting one from an event. This may not cater to everyone's playing style, as it is way too random, but if it was good enough for your parents back in 2001, it is good enough for.. Eh, n/m.

Secondly, we have the option of calling a Parliament and asking them to come up with a valid reason for war against a nearby country. This is powerful, but unless you have a high Crown Power, you may need to negotiate with your Estates for their backing. And Parliaments can not be called every month either, democracy is not even invented yet.

Finally we have the way of creating a CB, when there is a more or less legitimate way to one. First of all, creating a CB on a country requires you to have a spy network in the target country, similar to how claim fabrication works in EU4, but you also need to have some sort of reason to create the type of CB you want. If you let's say play Denmark and want to take back Skåne from Sweden, as you have cores on it, then you can create a ‘Conquer Core’ CB on them, or if they have used Privateers in sea zones where you have a Maritime Presence, you can create another CB on them. There are 50+ different CB you can create depending on circumstances, including everything from ‘Flower Wars’ for countries of Nahuatl religion, ‘Dissolving the Tatar Yoke’ for the tributaries under that International Organization, or ‘Humiliating Rivals’.

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31 allies and subjects for Bohemia, hmmm…

Just remember.. No CB is best CB!


War Goals
Whether you decide that a small border adjustment is needed, or you wish to wage a total war, you need to pick which War Goal you wish to pursue. Different casus belli will allow you to pick different War Goals and the War Goal you pick impacts the cost of conquest as well. A conquer CB will make taking land cheaper, while a ‘humiliation CB will make them more expensive.

A War Goal for a province requires you to occupy that entire province, while a Naval Superiority War Goal will give you a bonus score for blockading the enemy, and defeating their navy if possible.

If your War Goal is fulfilled then the warscore from it ticks up to a maximum of 25, and the total impact from battles in this game can be worth up to 50, while occupations and blockades have no cap and can reach over 100 warscore if possible.

In Project Caesar, therefore, not every war is necessarily a total war like some previous games we have made.

If the War Goal is not fulfilled, it is only possible to get 100% War Score if the winning side controls all of the losing side's locations, and the losing side controls no towns or cities.

This means that if you have your wargoal taken care of, winning some important battles and occupying some land, you will be able to force a reasonable peace on someone.

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Give me liberty or ehh.. annexation?


Integration
So what do you do then, when you have signed a peace and got some new land to your country?

First of all, it is not as simple as a location being a core or not, as Project Caesar introduces a new system of integration for locations. There are four states of integration in this game, first of all the conquered locations, which have a high separatism, lower control, and make pops unlikely to convert or assimilate. This is the state of any location you conquer that is not a core of yours. When a location becomes integrated, separatism drops to one fifth of the previous levels, and control has a higher maximum. When a location becomes a core, the minimum control is higher, and your primary and accepted cultures grow more, while minorities become stagnant. We also have the colonized status, which is after you have colonized a location, and it is not yet a core. A colonized location has lower maximum control.

What is separatism then? Well, it is the reduction of satisfaction for pops that are not of the primary culture. This is very likely to make the locations very unproductive for quite some time.

A location becomes a core automatically if it's integrated OR colonial, and at least 50% of the pops are of the primary or accepted cultures of that country.

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It is beneficial to get your locations to become your cores…

How do you integrate a location then? Well, this is the challenge in Project Caesar, as you do not have any magic paper mana to spend on it, but instead you need to use one of the members of your cabinet to integrate it. At the start of the game, a cabinet member can integrate an entire province at once, but in the Age of Absolutism you have an advance that will let you integrate an entire area at once.

This integration is not instant, but depends on many factors, like the status and the population living in the locations affected, but on average integrating a province may take between 25 and 50 years.

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And what are all of these factors then?


Stay tuned, as in next week's Tinto Talks, we will talk about how peace treaties themselves work, and which ones we have.
 
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Do you always need a spy network to create a CB or are some of them available as soon as their conditions are met? And if you do need a spy network for all of them can you prevent other nations from ever declaring war on you by just having good spy defense?
 
Regarding Integration, will non accepted religion and non accepted culture provinces resist integration and try and remain as ungovernable as possible?
It would be a cool mechanic to have where populations with different religions and cultures would try and refuse to be part of your country giving us a greater challenge to expansion.

And also, Do Cabinet members accelerate integration or are they required and integration without cabinet is impossible?
 
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Can a war goal block the demanding of provinces in the peace treaty, so that we can have certain wars (whether in vanilla or in mods) that don't allow the opponents to take territory from each other?
 
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Does the old strategy of taking 1 core of a releasable nation, then releasing them and using their cores still work? Or is the process of annexing subjects significantly different enough to drastically change this strategy?
 
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Oh good, it's finally possible to actually spell out my intentions in a war rather than using a wargoal of "I just want this one location" and then annexing the whole country.

Now I get to actually spell out my whole intention with a war instead of relying on CBs that only suggest limited intent. While at the same time actual limited intent makes things much faster for small border skirmishes.
 
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Idk about "No claims" thing. I guess Cores work as claims in a way, but then how would some Agressive leaders be portrayed? Will they just use No CB or they will have some special "COnquest CB" so they can just agressively expand? And how would Ottomans would conquer Byzantium if they have no cores there? What's their CB for Byz is then?
Presumably it's relatively easy to create conquest CBs on bordering heathens with the mechanics described in the DD.
 
Really appreciate the additional level between newly conquered and core, "Integrated" should fix one of the least realistic EU4 features. I appreciate the very slow speed (and high opportunity cost, as it uses a cabinet member!) even more - ~35 years to make a new conquest actually useful should slow down conquests and make massive expansion far more risky

One question: you mentioned claims won't exist anymore. But there are certainly many situations at the start where countries don't exactly have cores, but have some justification for waging far for the land: either historical or feudal etc, and claims were frequently granted by missions in EU4. Is there a direct replacement for these with the new CB system? I.e. a mission reward that would give you a Conquest CB rather than claims

I also really hope the changes to war goals stimulates more limited and short wars, with few locations changing hands, rather than 16th century states fighting a suicidal total war over Sundgau...
 
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Cultural Influence and Cultural Tradition? I'm happy to see that in EU5 Project Ceasar cultures will be much more than a simple name, like in some other games. I can't wait for the culture TT. By the way, what are "Province Governors" and "By Blood"? Are they laws, government reforms, or what else?
 
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In EU4, Russia has special government (and some few other places), that allows to make CB-s on states, instead of provinces. And since it's not possible to make CBs same way in PC, is such unique mechanic not included in PC or is it reworked to work differently?
 
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pardon me for asking but this seems a little... slow? as in I feel like I wont be able to get any territory at productivity near my starting for a lot of the campaign.

Yeah, you won't be able to conquer entire western europe in 50 years and have it cored.
 
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If one decides to use the best CB, does that mean that there will be no wargoal to fulfill, so you'll have to rely more on general aggression to extract the peace deal you want (presumably being able to take less stuff, since there will be no discounts a normal CB would provide)?
 
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Question: what will stop us from engaging in some prime bordergore? Will there be a penalty for taking provinces in a way that allows snaking?

Control and proximity makes that non-ideal.
 
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Glad to see that seperatism only arises from non primary pops. In EU4 it feels so awkward when playing as E.G. Karabakh and conquer armenian coptic provinces from QQ that said provinces then get huge amounts of seperatism to restore armenia.

yeah, the pop system gives us far more granularity so we can do this.
 
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