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Tinto Talks #41 - 11th of December 2024

Hello Everyone and Welcome to another Tinto Talk! This is the Happy Wednesday where we give you information about our very secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week we will talk about Parliaments. We have a simple feature with the same name in EU4, but this is rather different, as you will see. We have also gone heavily into making this flavorful as well, and many countries have their unique names for their Parliament, where it is a “Corts” in Aragon, and a “Riksdag” in Sweden…

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How is this parliament going?


Type of Parliaments
First of all, there are five types of parliaments, although technically you could argue that no parliament is a type as well. They are based on the different types of 'gatherings' that different societies had, which means that different countries will start with a different type of parliament and that you will be able to change it during the game.

Assembly
  • Available to all countries.
  • Nobles + Peasants can have agendas, but they have very weak impact.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.

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Can be useful…


Estate Parliament
  • Requires Feudalism Advance
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas

Autocratic Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas
  • Crown Power is 25% stronger.
  • Can force through any issue they want in parliament for a small cost.

Constitutional Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas, and their impact is much higher.
  • The Nobles Estate has an improved estate satisfaction.


If you wish to let your peasants have a say in your parliament you can grant them a privilege, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.


Calling a Parliament
If you are able to hold any type of parliament, you can call them as long as it's been at least five years since the last parliament was called. If you do not call one for a decade the estates will get less and less satisfied for each passing month.

When you call a parliament you get the choice of where the parliament should be held. You can always hold the parliament in your capital, which will give a small boost to centralization but you also have the option to pick another location. Usually you can pick any town or city, but there are countries that can hold a parliament in a rural location as well. If you pick a place that is not the capital, your country will become slightly more decentralized, but that location gains a nice bonus for the duration of the parliament, which lasts about half a year.

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A temporary mini-capital that prospers?


You also need to pick an issue that will be the main debate of the parliament as well. You have up to two options per estate to choose from, where the parliament support you gain depends on their current power in the country.

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The needs of the crown do not grant additional support..

Parliament Issues
The issue picked has a modifier that is applied to the country while the debate is ongoing. In many cases this is rather beneficial, but it only lasts for the duration of the parliament. We currently have over 70 different parliament issues, and about a dozen country specific ones.

If you fail to get enough support in parliament there will be a drawback which is usually a hit to stability, but if you get over 50% backing in parliament the country will get some benefits depending on the Issue.

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This is something that many estates may view as beneficial..

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In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.


Parliament Support
So what is Parliament Support then? You will always have a base support from your current crown power, which normally will be rather low (unless you have completely crippled your estates), and then you also have the potential support you get from picking an issue. There are also some government reforms and/or advances that increase the base support.

So how do you increase the support during a parliament then?

Parliament Agendas
Well, you can always see what agendas that the estates want to push during a parliament, and if you grant them what they want, your parliament support will increase. The amount that the Parliament Support increases is based on the estate power that they have, multiplied by their current satisfaction. This makes it beneficial to keep estates happier than the minimum levels, if you wish to rely upon them in parliament.

These agendas include law changes, changes in societal values, privileges granted and more. If you accept the agenda of an estate, then the next agenda they propose in this session will give far less parliament support.

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It’s for the greater good I assume?



Parliament Requests
You can also use the parliament support immediately during a session, and get a request fulfilled, but that will reduce your support by 50%.

Request Additional Taxes
This allows you to collect more taxes from the estates during the next 3 years

Ask for Larger Levies
This will make you able to raise 25% larger levies at any point during the next 3 years.

Ask for Law Changes
This will allow you to change laws at a much reduced cost of stability during the next 3 years.

Prepare for War
This will get you an insulted casus belli on a country of your choice within diplomatic range.

Of course, using any of these requires you to probably have to pick an issue backed by a powerful estate, and probably accept an agenda or two.


I would not recommend hovering closely to 50% if you really want an issue to succeed as there may be events that could reduce it happening.

Parliament Seats
We have two more things influencing parliaments that might be of interest as well. There are two special buildings that can be created that are counted as “Parliament Seats”, which gives extra significance to that location. One is an Urban Parliament Seat that the Burghers can ask for during a Parliament, which grants a significant permanent power to the Burghers in a town or city. The other one is the Rotten Borough, which the Nobles Estate will build in rural locations increasing their power if they are not currently happy.


Before we end though, we would like to hear of any flavor names you would like to see for parliaments, we have about 35 at the moment...

Stay tuned, as next week we will talk about disasters!
 
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@Pavía Was the Tinto team able to slip some content about the Union revolts (in Aragon mainly, but there was also another one in Valencia) and the Justicia institution? Or can we suggest some flavor events for the Crown of Aragon regarding these topics?

Also, Johan, the Crown of Aragon had an interesting feature regarding Parliaments. A union, there were individual parliaments (per Kingdom/entity) and general parliaments (for topics affecting the whole Crown). Is there a way to mod that?
 
Staten is for Holland and West-Friesland, and also Zeeland.
Staten Generaal is for the Dutch Republic. So in the case where Dutch minors are independent, it should only be Staten van Zeeland, Staten van Holland en West-Friesland, Staten van Gelderland, Staten van Friesland, Staten van Utrecht, etc.
 
In the United States, declaring war requires a vote during a special session of Congress... Could certain nations in PC require a special session of parliament to declare war?

If not, is that something that could be moddable?
 
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Most of what has been shown above is moddable: flavor names, types of parliament, issues, agendas, and requests.

All the types of parliaments need at least one estate to function, which in the base game is set by default to be Nobility (although that's hardcoded).
can we prevent nobility from having a say at with reform/privilege or law? (or disable nobility estate?)
EDIT: by default you mean we can mod one parliament without nobility as long as there is one estate?
 
Looks really great!
Will be definitely much more fun.

For all possible Ukraine-related cultures and tags the parliament should be called Rada.

And just one question, please, are there any countries without parliament mechanic available or literally every tag can have some kind of parliament?
Agree with this, and also Veche should be localized for Ruthenian-Ukrainian tags as Viche (Vecha for Byelorussians) according to the local phonetics. I'd suggest to use Rada for republican tags like Zaporozhian Sich and Cossack Hetmanate, and for Ruthenian principalities and other early monarchies this might be Viche/Vecha, but if there is only one name allowed I'd suggest using Rada
 
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In colonial Chile, Parlamentos were not a legislative corporation nor an assembly of burghers/nobility, but rather an instance of negotiations between the Spanish and the natives (mainly the Mapuche). They were quite important for the colonial society, as it defined things like the borders between the Spanish territories and the native lands, truces or peace deals, the possibility of going to war, or the return of prisoners. They also were an opportunity for both cultures to mix and do cultural exchange and economic trade, and they defined the relations between both nations for at least a couple of centuries.

I don't think that those Parlamentos fit with this mechanic, but I still wanted to mention it because it would be very cool if some mechanic or at least some flavor was added with relation to this.
 
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Rada is ahistorical for nearly all the tags you mentioned.

Ruthenian states had "duma", and as I can see even current Ukrainian sources use it.
what about Cossack tags which historically had Rada as their parliament? It is debatable whether Duma or Viche can be applied for monarchies, they historically had both in different time periods, but for the republican Ruthenian tags only Rada is suitable
 
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Hello Everyone and Welcome to another Tinto Talk! This is the Happy Wednesday where we give you information about our very secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week we will talk about Parliaments. We have a simple feature with the same name in EU4, but this is rather different, as you will see. We have also gone heavily into making this flavorful as well, and many countries have their unique names for their Parliament, where it is a “Corts” in Aragon, and a “Riksdag” in Sweden…

View attachment 1229100
How is this parliament going?


Type of Parliaments
First of all, there are five types of parliaments, although technically you could argue that no parliament is a type as well. They are based on the different types of 'gatherings' that different societies had, which means that different countries will start with a different type of parliament and that you will be able to change it during the game.

Assembly
  • Available to all countries.
  • Nobles + Peasants can have agendas, but they have very weak impact.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.

View attachment 1229099
Can be useful…


Estate Parliament
  • Requires Feudalism Advance
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas

Autocratic Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas
  • Crown Power is 25% stronger.
  • Can force through any issue they want in parliament for a small cost.

Constitutional Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas, and their impact is much higher.
  • The Nobles Estate has an improved estate satisfaction.


If you wish to let your peasants have a say in your parliament you can grant them a privilege, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.


Calling a Parliament
If you are able to hold any type of parliament, you can call them as long as it's been at least five years since the last parliament was called. If you do not call one for a decade the estates will get less and less satisfied for each passing month.

When you call a parliament you get the choice of where the parliament should be held. You can always hold the parliament in your capital, which will give a small boost to centralization but you also have the option to pick another location. Usually you can pick any town or city, but there are countries that can hold a parliament in a rural location as well. If you pick a place that is not the capital, your country will become slightly more decentralized, but that location gains a nice bonus for the duration of the parliament, which lasts about half a year.

View attachment 1229098
A temporary mini-capital that prospers?


You also need to pick an issue that will be the main debate of the parliament as well. You have up to two options per estate to choose from, where the parliament support you gain depends on their current power in the country.

View attachment 1229097
The needs of the crown do not grant additional support..

Parliament Issues
The issue picked has a modifier that is applied to the country while the debate is ongoing. In many cases this is rather beneficial, but it only lasts for the duration of the parliament. We currently have over 70 different parliament issues, and about a dozen country specific ones.

If you fail to get enough support in parliament there will be a drawback which is usually a hit to stability, but if you get over 50% backing in parliament the country will get some benefits depending on the Issue.

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This is something that many estates may view as beneficial..

View attachment 1229096
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.


Parliament Support
So what is Parliament Support then? You will always have a base support from your current crown power, which normally will be rather low (unless you have completely crippled your estates), and then you also have the potential support you get from picking an issue. There are also some government reforms and/or advances that increase the base support.

So how do you increase the support during a parliament then?

Parliament Agendas
Well, you can always see what agendas that the estates want to push during a parliament, and if you grant them what they want, your parliament support will increase. The amount that the Parliament Support increases is based on the estate power that they have, multiplied by their current satisfaction. This makes it beneficial to keep estates happier than the minimum levels, if you wish to rely upon them in parliament.

These agendas include law changes, changes in societal values, privileges granted and more. If you accept the agenda of an estate, then the next agenda they propose in this session will give far less parliament support.

View attachment 1229094
It’s for the greater good I assume?



Parliament Requests
You can also use the parliament support immediately during a session, and get a request fulfilled, but that will reduce your support by 50%.

Request Additional Taxes
This allows you to collect more taxes from the estates during the next 3 years

Ask for Larger Levies
This will make you able to raise 25% larger levies at any point during the next 3 years.

Ask for Law Changes
This will allow you to change laws at a much reduced cost of stability during the next 3 years.

Prepare for War
This will get you an insulted casus belli on a country of your choice within diplomatic range.

Of course, using any of these requires you to probably have to pick an issue backed by a powerful estate, and probably accept an agenda or two.


I would not recommend hovering closely to 50% if you really want an issue to succeed as there may be events that could reduce it happening.

Parliament Seats
We have two more things influencing parliaments that might be of interest as well. There are two special buildings that can be created that are counted as “Parliament Seats”, which gives extra significance to that location. One is an Urban Parliament Seat that the Burghers can ask for during a Parliament, which grants a significant permanent power to the Burghers in a town or city. The other one is the Rotten Borough, which the Nobles Estate will build in rural locations increasing their power if they are not currently happy.


Before we end though, we would like to hear of any flavor names you would like to see for parliaments, we have about 35 at the moment...

Stay tuned, as next week we will talk about disasters!
Will estates specifically oppose or support some decisions? Like promoting a clergy man will be supported by clergy but not by nobles. You can double the cost for gaining support of nobles on that issue for example.
 
1. Can you have multiple Issues per Parliament or only ever one?
2. Do you have two Parliaments when you're the Emperor of the HRE? The big Reichstag of the empire and the smaller one, for whatever Country you're playing?
 
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Interesting that now "No Parliament" is an option now. When they first mentioned Parliaments I am pretty certain they said they'd be a thing for every country, but I suppose it makes sense(especially now that "Parliament" is a physical location as well) that there would be some countries without one, like China. Though I think it could have worked honestly, even the Emperor must consider the opinions of the officials, generals etc. Just would have had the ability to say "lol no". Same with most countries I imagine, like I said I think "Every country has a parliament" as it was originally could have worked but this decision is probably better.


Diet for Japan maybe, if it's not too anachronistic. Maybe for a more advanced constitutional reform.
Surely they'd refer to it by the japanese native name "Kokkai".
 
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what about Cossack tags which historically had Rada as their parliament? It is debatable whether Duma or Viche can be applied for monarchies, they historically had both in different time periods, but for the republican Ruthenian tags only Rada is suitable
This is why I wrote "nearly all" ;)

I'm all for "Rada" for Cossack-related tags, no question.
 
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1. Liberum Veto exists in-game, as an estate privilege.
2. The Szlachta is not so powerful and entrenched in 1337, but they will potentially be very dangerous.
3. We'll talk more in detail in the Tinto Flavor devoted to Poland.

Can you give some estimate when Tinto Flavor series is going to start?