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Tinto Talks #41 - 11th of December 2024

Hello Everyone and Welcome to another Tinto Talk! This is the Happy Wednesday where we give you information about our very secret game with the codename Project Caesar.

This week we will talk about Parliaments. We have a simple feature with the same name in EU4, but this is rather different, as you will see. We have also gone heavily into making this flavorful as well, and many countries have their unique names for their Parliament, where it is a “Corts” in Aragon, and a “Riksdag” in Sweden…

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How is this parliament going?


Type of Parliaments
First of all, there are five types of parliaments, although technically you could argue that no parliament is a type as well. They are based on the different types of 'gatherings' that different societies had, which means that different countries will start with a different type of parliament and that you will be able to change it during the game.

Assembly
  • Available to all countries.
  • Nobles + Peasants can have agendas, but they have very weak impact.

Council
  • Requires Codified Laws Advance
  • Nobles + Clergy can have agendas, but have a weak impact.

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Can be useful…


Estate Parliament
  • Requires Feudalism Advance
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas

Autocratic Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas
  • Crown Power is 25% stronger.
  • Can force through any issue they want in parliament for a small cost.

Constitutional Parliament
  • Requires an Age of Absolutism Advance.
  • Nobles, Clergy and Burghers can all have agendas, and their impact is much higher.
  • The Nobles Estate has an improved estate satisfaction.


If you wish to let your peasants have a say in your parliament you can grant them a privilege, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.


Calling a Parliament
If you are able to hold any type of parliament, you can call them as long as it's been at least five years since the last parliament was called. If you do not call one for a decade the estates will get less and less satisfied for each passing month.

When you call a parliament you get the choice of where the parliament should be held. You can always hold the parliament in your capital, which will give a small boost to centralization but you also have the option to pick another location. Usually you can pick any town or city, but there are countries that can hold a parliament in a rural location as well. If you pick a place that is not the capital, your country will become slightly more decentralized, but that location gains a nice bonus for the duration of the parliament, which lasts about half a year.

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A temporary mini-capital that prospers?


You also need to pick an issue that will be the main debate of the parliament as well. You have up to two options per estate to choose from, where the parliament support you gain depends on their current power in the country.

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The needs of the crown do not grant additional support..

Parliament Issues
The issue picked has a modifier that is applied to the country while the debate is ongoing. In many cases this is rather beneficial, but it only lasts for the duration of the parliament. We currently have over 70 different parliament issues, and about a dozen country specific ones.

If you fail to get enough support in parliament there will be a drawback which is usually a hit to stability, but if you get over 50% backing in parliament the country will get some benefits depending on the Issue.

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This is something that many estates may view as beneficial..

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In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered.


Parliament Support
So what is Parliament Support then? You will always have a base support from your current crown power, which normally will be rather low (unless you have completely crippled your estates), and then you also have the potential support you get from picking an issue. There are also some government reforms and/or advances that increase the base support.

So how do you increase the support during a parliament then?

Parliament Agendas
Well, you can always see what agendas that the estates want to push during a parliament, and if you grant them what they want, your parliament support will increase. The amount that the Parliament Support increases is based on the estate power that they have, multiplied by their current satisfaction. This makes it beneficial to keep estates happier than the minimum levels, if you wish to rely upon them in parliament.

These agendas include law changes, changes in societal values, privileges granted and more. If you accept the agenda of an estate, then the next agenda they propose in this session will give far less parliament support.

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It’s for the greater good I assume?



Parliament Requests
You can also use the parliament support immediately during a session, and get a request fulfilled, but that will reduce your support by 50%.

Request Additional Taxes
This allows you to collect more taxes from the estates during the next 3 years

Ask for Larger Levies
This will make you able to raise 25% larger levies at any point during the next 3 years.

Ask for Law Changes
This will allow you to change laws at a much reduced cost of stability during the next 3 years.

Prepare for War
This will get you an insulted casus belli on a country of your choice within diplomatic range.

Of course, using any of these requires you to probably have to pick an issue backed by a powerful estate, and probably accept an agenda or two.


I would not recommend hovering closely to 50% if you really want an issue to succeed as there may be events that could reduce it happening.

Parliament Seats
We have two more things influencing parliaments that might be of interest as well. There are two special buildings that can be created that are counted as “Parliament Seats”, which gives extra significance to that location. One is an Urban Parliament Seat that the Burghers can ask for during a Parliament, which grants a significant permanent power to the Burghers in a town or city. The other one is the Rotten Borough, which the Nobles Estate will build in rural locations increasing their power if they are not currently happy.


Before we end though, we would like to hear of any flavor names you would like to see for parliaments, we have about 35 at the moment...

Stay tuned, as next week we will talk about disasters!
 
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Most of what has been shown above is moddable: flavor names, types of parliament, issues, agendas, and requests.

All the types of parliaments need at least one estate to function, which in the base game is set by default to be Nobility (although that's hardcoded).
In the context of a settler colony (US, Argentina...) what would the nobility be? The land owning oligarchy? Could the nobility state get a unique name in such places?
 
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I feel like an upper house with veto power could be represented by estate privileges - like “you have to accept the nobility’s agenda to pass non-nobility issues” or something.
 
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Veche
Althing
Tynwald
Riksdag
Sejm
Uijeongbu
Senate
Congress
Meclis
Estates General
Rogati
Reichstag
Duma
Staten-Generaal
Tagsatzung
Hluttaw
Parlamento
Jatiya Sangsad
Tshogdu
Sansad
Majlis
Oireachtas
Council
Landtag
Folketing
Storting
Althing
Seimas
Mejlis
Sabor
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Kurultai
Upstalboom
I would think that "Rigsdag" or "Landsting" would work better for Denmark than "Folketing", especially since the inclusion of peasants in parliament doesn't seem to be the norm. "Rigsdag" was the term used for the Danish parliament while it was still bicameral with the upper "Landsting" and lower "Folketing" and when the "Landsting" was removed in 1953, the "Rigsdag" was removed with it and only the "Folketing" survived.
"Rigsråd" could also be used from what I know. From what I can quickly find, "Rigsdag" was a somewhat uncommon word to call the meeting of the estates in Denmark before absolutism got rid of them and served sort of as a lower house. "Rigsråd" was made up of nobility and church and chose the succesor to the king as well as served somewhat as upper house. "Landsting" were partly local parliaments and courts.
 
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I hope "prepare for war" triggers events for the target nation. It should also trigger all nations that are rivals of the prepping nation and for all allied (and perhaps neighbours) of the target.

Please don't let this be a walled off mechanic. It should interact with others!
 
@Pavía Was the Tinto team able to slip some content about the Union revolts (in Aragon mainly, but there was also another one in Valencia) and the Justicia institution? Or can we suggest some flavor events for the Crown of Aragon regarding these topics?

Also, Johan, the Crown of Aragon had an interesting feature regarding Parliaments. A union, there were individual parliaments (per Kingdom/entity) and general parliaments (for topics affecting the whole Crown). Is there a way to mod that?
1. There will be content for the Union and the Justicia of Aragón, yes. There will be a Tinto Flavor for Aragon as well, in which we'll talk about this content.
2. We're well aware of the Parliament system of the Crown of Aragon, with the 3 regional Corts, and then the Crown-wide one. ;) I think that there could potentially be a way to mod it, if we are able to finish a feature we're currently working on (and that we would show later on, in a different Tinto Talks).
 
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Can you give some estimate when Tinto Flavor series is going to start?
January (taking into account that the last Christmas bank holiday in Spain is January 6th, the Three Wise Men Day).
 
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Not in this game.

Bicameral governments with an Upper House is a more of Vicky thing.
Could bicameralism be simulated by estate privileges?

For example, if an estate is only represented in the upper house, could it have a privilege requiring its support to pass any issue? (I'm not sure how individual estates' contribution to parliamentary support is represented.)
 
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Rogati
Reichstag
Duma
Staten-Generaal
Tagsatzung
Hluttaw
Parlamento
Jatiya Sangsad
Tshogdu
Sansad
Majlis
Oireachtas
Council
Landtag
Folketing
Storting
Althing
Seimas
Mejlis
Sabor
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Kurultai
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I see you already have Reichstag and Landtag for German speaking cultures. The parliament for a city would be the Stadtrat.
 
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The cap of 5 years until the next parliament can be called is too long for republics.
The game should implement different rules for parliaments in monarchies versus republics, reflecting their distinct political systems.

For example, in monarchies like France, parliaments such as the Estates General met rarely and had little ongoing influence, allowing rulers to govern with significant autonomy. In contrast, republics like the Dutch Republic (1588–1795) depended on frequent parliamentary engagement, with the Staten-Generaal meeting weekly to deliberate and make decisions.

The Dutch Republic had no central monarch. Figures like the stadhouder and raadpensionaris held authority but were heavily constrained by the Staten and powerful provincial regenten decisions required collaboration, and no single leader could dominate without broad support. This system even allowed for periods without a stadhouder (1650–1672 and 1702–1747), during which the Republic functioned without a single executive figure. Leaders who overstepped, like Johan de Witt, could face severe consequences, showing how power in the Republic was constantly checked.

I hope something like this could be portrayed in game :)
 
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In the United States, declaring war requires a vote during a special session of Congress... Could certain nations in PC require a special session of parliament to declare war?

If not, is that something that could be moddable?
I see why you say that. However, in practice the US has fought many conflicts (from Indians to Iraq) without declarations of war by Congress. I'd also be worried that such a feature would overly restrict both the AI and the player. Especially since parliament only meets every 5 years.

Wouldn't mind it being moddable at all though.
 
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I hope there is a Veche (for slavic minors) and Duma (for Russia). Also I'm wondering if there will be some specific parliaments for formable nations (like senate for Roman Empire or maybe even Byzantium).
Nevermind, they are there, so cool! Thanks!
 
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Veche
Althing
Tynwald
Riksdag
Sejm
Uijeongbu
Senate
Congress
Meclis
Estates General
Rogati
Reichstag
Duma
Staten-Generaal
Tagsatzung
Hluttaw
Parlamento
Jatiya Sangsad
Tshogdu
Sansad
Majlis
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Council
Landtag
Folketing
Storting
Althing
Seimas
Mejlis
Sabor
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Kurultai
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I don't know if one of those names is for the Andean Region, but if you don't have one yet a fitting name would be "Camachic" given that the Inca empire ( "Tahuantinsuyo") had a kind of "Imperial council" referred to as "Tahuantinsuyo Camachic" you can read more about it here, though it is in Spanish.

 
1. There will be content for the Union and the Justicia of Aragón, yes. There will be a Tinto Flavor for Aragon as well, in which we'll talk about this content.
2. We're well aware of the Parliament system of the Crown of Aragon, with the 3 regional Corts, and then the Crown-wide one. ;) I think that there could potentially be a way to mod it, if we are able to finish a feature we're currently working on (and that we would show later on, in a different Tinto Talks).

Wonderful! But on the other side, now I feel like I should dust off some books and prepare for such DD. When should we expect the Tinto Flavor diary for Aragon?

And not to be aragonese-centric (I know, its ironic with my username...), the second point was also interesting in other parts of the world. There was something similar in the Habsburg monarchies, since ducal, archducal, Bohemian and Hungarian Diets were independent but there were pushes to unify them. If I recall correctly, in some critical moments there were coordinated Parliaments in Wien / Brno / Pozsony. The locations were selected since they are all close to the trhiparte borders whilst technically complying with the formal requirements of every parliament being in their respective territory (a bit like the Monzón location for the Cortes Generales).
 
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