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Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #119 - Smörgåsbord of Changes in 1.7

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Hello fellow Victorians, and happy Thursday!
Alex here and it’s my turn to bring you another exciting update on what’s coming with 1.7. This time I’ve been tasked with showing you a selection of certified Cool™ things we’re doing that didn’t really fit in other Dev Diaries. This will be a lot like the proverbial box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get next!

Religion and Culture map modes​

In case you missed it, a few Dev Diaries ago we mentioned in passing that we now have a new highly requested map mode that shows you what religion the Pops in different states follow. This new mapmode functions similarly to the Culture map mode you are already familiar with.

Additionally, while implementing the religion map mode we also took the opportunity to upgrade both of these map modes so they now show if there are significant cultural or religious minorities in those states. The way it works is that, apart from the largest culture or religion, if a second culture’s or religion’s relative population is above a certain threshold, we blend the colors weighted by that relative population. Up to three cultures or religions can be represented this way, each with separate thresholds for each of the map modes. These thresholds are completely moddable and if you just prefer the old look, you can easily revert back to it.

Being able to see the clear divide between Protestants and Catholics in Europe really hits different!
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The new upgraded cultural map mode does a much better job at showcasing all the different cultures in Brazil. I like how you can see the lavender haze shifting in tones between the different Northeastern states as the game progresses.
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National Migration​

For a long time you have all been talking about how it’s awkward that your migration laws also prevent your pops from migrating inside your country, rather than only restricting it when moving out. With 1.7 this will change!

Migration laws will no longer prevent pops moving between states in your country. Instead, your migration laws will only prevent pops from moving out of or into your country, be it through mass migrations or through regular market migration from other countries within your market or power bloc.

These are the 22 laws Japan starts with. Closed Borders and Isolationism in particular make Japan a fairly unique starting country in how isolated they are. Previously this meant no inter-state migration could happen, which severely limited your growth opportunities.
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Starting with 1.7 that won’t be a problem anymore as countries with Closed Borders will allow their own pops to migrate between their states, while still being closed to the outside.
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Support and Guarantee Independence pacts​

As part of our changes to subject mechanics we’ve also introduced two new diplomatic pacts:
  • Support Independence
  • Guarantee Independence

As you might imagine, they allow you to signal to a country that you will side with them in a potential war for their independence. Guarantee Independence works essentially as a one-sided defensive pact letting you support a country if they were to be attacked, while Support Independence is for countries that are not currently independent. One particularly cool aspect of this is that subjects can now support the independence of other subjects of the same overlord, potentially leading to a big war for joint independence.

An Indian-Canadian alliance might be somewhat unexpected, but I can appreciate the enthusiasm to stop being under British rule. So long, London!
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Must feel reassuring for Belgium to be Guaranteed by Britain, France and Prussia. You have to wonder what it will mean for the development of Europe. I’m sure it will last.
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Multiple Active Wars​

Another highly requested feature! For a long time you’ve been asking for this and now we were finally able to do it. In the current version of the game you can’t initiate a war if you already have another war in progress. Starting in 1.7, you will be able to initiate as many simultaneous wars as you want. You still need to wait for each diplomatic play to progress to war before starting another one, but other than that if you wish to wage war against the whole world, you’re free to do so.

Pictured: France thinking they can take on Spain while already fighting Prussia (notice the widget at the top). What year do they think it is? 1808? Maybe it’s time for another coalition. Paris is lovely this time of year.
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Calling an Ally now gives them a war goal of their choosing​

In 1.7 calling an ally will now let that ally pick a war goal of their own. This is done through the regular Add War Goal interface and adds it as a secondary demand. This war goal is subject to a maneuvers limit, but doesn’t cost maneuvers for the war leader.

Of course, now they want help. Maybe don’t start wars you can’t win. I guess we can help for the right price, but this is the last time.
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Overlords can now side against their subjects during revolutions​

Tired of having to support your subject in a revolution when they get into their Communist phase despite you being a staunch defender of the sanctity of the free market? In 1.7 you’ll be able to support the revolutionary side instead. If you do, when the war breaks out it will make the revolutionary country your subject instead and you can then fight the war and go on as usual.

Come on, Norway. You knew all too well this was going to happen when you tried to pass State Atheism. I’m done.
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See? Look what you made me do. Now I have to fight Prussia while siding with the Devout!
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Unidirectional Truces​

Another requested feature that is coming with 1.7 is the support for unidirectional truces that only prevents one side from starting fights with the other. Unidirectional truces will, at least for now, only be applied after breaking a Guarantee Independence pact and after changing the autonomy of subjects, but let us know if you have any suggestions for other cool places we could use them in.

Well, that didn’t last long. Good thing Europe is at peace and wars are a thing of the past… Right?
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Subjects can turn against overlord at high enough liberty desire​

With the coming update, at high enough liberty desire levels, a subject might offer to support your enemies in exchange for their support in getting independence from you or simply raising your subject’s autonomy.

Make sure to keep your subjects happy. The treacherous ones might decide to backstab you.
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Auto-downsizing for Privately owned buildings​

Privately-owned Buildings that are not able to fill all their vacancies will in 1.7 start downsizing on their own under certain conditions. If it becomes relevant, the building will issue a warning that it intends to downsize in 12 months, unless conditions get better. If it starts downsizing it will remove levels one at a time until the number of employees better matches its output and profit potentials.

Finally something is being done about all those abandoned buildings all over the place. Maybe we can clean it up and repurpose old industrial areas into parks or something.
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New Character Outfits​

We have also added a few more character clothing options. In particular I really like these late game military British and French outfits!

This guy is exactly how I imagine an innocent British lord in the 1800s going on their first field trip to the colonies would look like. “Blimey lads, they have us surrounded!”
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This one on the other hand looks like he has some serious bad blood with someone (probably the Prussians)
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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! (also look at this guy’s style! I want a hat like that)
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New Companies​

We have a number of new companies coming for Sphere of Influence owners! Here’s some of my favorite ones:
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In addition to these, the following companies will also be introduced with Sphere of Influence:
  • Perskhlopok
  • Persshelk
  • Šerkat-e Eslāmiya
  • West Ural Petroleum Company, Limited
  • Kirgizian Mining [Joint Stock] Company
  • Moscow Irrigation Company
  • Tashkent Railroad
  • MM. Nicolas Portalis et Cie.
  • Anglo-Persian Oil Company

The following companies will be available for all players as part of the 1.7 free update:
  • Iranian State Railway
  • Šerkat-e Etteḥādīya-ye Welāyat-e Šemālī
  • Bongāh-e Enḥeṣār-e Ṣāderāt-e Taryāk
  • Arthur Guinness Son & Co. Ltd
  • Oriental Development Company
  • Turkish Petroleum Company


That’s all for now! Hope you enjoyed this smörgåsbord of assorted changes coming soon. Next week Vicka will be telling you more about modding in 1.7!
 
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Carmichael said:
"Migration laws will no longer prevent pops moving between states in your country. Instead, your migration laws will only prevent pops from moving out of or into your country, be it through mass migrations or through regular market migration from other countries within your market or power bloc."

While I welcome the move, it also worries me. You used Japan as an example, the most perfect example of a country which strictly controlled their peasants not to move to another state/domain on penalty on death. Please tell me that Serfdom prevents peasants from migrating?
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I also am curious about this. Serfdom/slavery (I think the latter does) should prevent internal migration of those pops.
 
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For a long time you have all been talking about how it’s awkward that your migration laws also prevent your pops from migrating inside your country, rather than only restricting it when moving out. With 1.7 this will change!
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YES !
Though if I may suggest, if it's still possible to limit internal inside our country, I would say *Serfdom* should probably do it, something like -50% migration speed.
Another highly requested feature! For a long time you’ve been asking for this and now we were finally able to do it. In the current version of the game you can’t initiate a war if you already have another war in progress
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We'll no longer be limited by a random revolt in colonies :eek:
With everything else, maybe this should be named 2.0 instead of 1.7 !
 
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The new diplomatic options are wonderful, but I especially like the new graphical flavor and company localization for the minor nations caught between Russia and Britain: hopefully the rest of the world will feel a little less generic soon enough as well.
 
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I love these changes! Thanks

A couple of questions: will peasants be able to migrate to another state in the same nation with closed borders and serfdom?

Am I understanding correctly that now subjects can declare war on their overlord even if their overlord is at war with someone else? That would be crucial for a successful independence war goal in many cases
 
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A couple of questions about how multiple wars work.
Can other nations do diplomatic play on you while you are on a diplo play or already at war with someone else?
Can other nations join already ongoing wars?
 
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I'm here for the downfall of laissez-faire and the diplomacy changes look great!

Is there going to be any change to infamy for conquering unrecognized states/is the AI aggression toward them changing?
 
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Question: with the changes to subject liberty desire and their ability to join the overlord enemies. Did you guys make any changes to the Peru-Bolivia situation? As of 1.6 without player intervention it always solidifies, but if the Peruvian subjects started with high liberty desire North Peru could be rebellious and defect to the Chilean side in the War of the Confederation making for a bit more historical outcome
 
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Much appreciated QOL stuff. I remember lobbying for the capitalist downsizing. -10 radicalism!

I want to throw my only point of feedback on the culture mapmode, while I really appreciate the increased representation of minority cultures/diversity and have wanted improvements to the mapmode to make it less... clunky, I think I preffered the striped pattern (and moreso the polka dot pattern some mods had) for minority cultures in Victoria 2 compared to the colour mixing here. The graying out of colours makes me view "mixed" states as something bad to be "fixed" and assimilation as good. Perhaps due to seeing the desaturated colours mostly when looking at market access. It's also a bit harder to tell what cultures the blend constitute.

See this reddit thread i found for what the old maps looked like. To some extent it's due to the vic3 map being less granular but I'd like to take inspiration from it to the extent possible.
 
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Errata said:
With everything else, maybe this should be named 2.0 instead of 1.7 !
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Nope 2.0 has:
Nonbinary discrimination system - multiple degrees of acceptance and discrimination, so even with Multiculturalism you have some discrimination.
Private/autonomous construction sectors - producing goods, that pops, government and buildings can consume for maintenance and expansion.
More dynamic pop substitution - goods with high (low) price get reduced (increased) weight, adjusted per state as to take MAPI and Market Access under account.
 
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Notme1 said:
Nope 2.0 has:
Nonbinary discrimination system - multiple degrees of acceptance and discrimination, so even with Multiculturalism you have some discrimination.
Private/autonomous construction sectors - producing goods, that pops, government and buildings can consume for maintenance and expansion.
More dynamic pop substitution - goods with high (low) price get reduced (increased) weight, adjusted per state as to take MAPI and Market Access under account.
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Don't forget the naval rework, although I think all of the war mechanics can use a second look. We probably could use more late-game techs as well.
 
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Alexhesse said:
This will be a lot like the proverbial box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get next
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Speaking of chocolate, I hope you enjoyed that box of chocolate with the platypus :)

I'm really impressed with all the things in this Dev Diary! As a Swiss person I especially appreciate the guarantee independence pact. Will Switzerland be guaranteed as well by the great powers at gamestart?

1.7 will surely be a great update! Thank you all for all the work you put into it!
 
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Is there any historical event related to the nationalization of Anglo Iranian Oil Company and foundation of National Iranian Oil Company? Is there any event about Iranian oil concessions?
 
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Notme1 said:
Nope 2.0 has:
Nonbinary discrimination system - multiple degrees of acceptance and discrimination, so even with Multiculturalism you have some discrimination.
Private/autonomous construction sectors - producing goods, that pops, government and buildings can consume for maintenance and expansion.
More dynamic pop substitution - goods with high (low) price get reduced (increased) weight, adjusted per state as to take MAPI and Market Access under account.
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Pop should choose their consumption weight based on the price rather than the supply.
Though the price-consumption-price loop may cause some data vibration, this problem can be solved by a price damper which can also show the long-turn price effect.
 
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If it becomes relevant, the building will issue a warning that it intends to downsize in 12 months, unless conditions get better.
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The only thing I'd suggest is some kind of flag that blocks the autonomous investment AI from touching that building again for a few years. Otherwise you might get into odd situations where it expands because the math works out as profitable for whatever reason, it struggles, downsizes, and repeats.

Which is probably a pretty niche issue but if it happens it'll feel bad since it's a waste of build points.

Otherwise, 3D models that I don't care about aside, seems like another strong entry in a promising 1.7.
 
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Is it possible to squeeze in something to fix the AI's behavior with their capital? When they have a revolution, they never move their capital back to the historical site, so you have stuff like France's capital being in Rhone the entire game.
 
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