Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #144 - Charters of Commerce & Expansion Pass 2

[AutomneNymphe]

Will Andora be included in the Iberian Twilight expansion? I think its inclusion would be fun, even if just for the meme. Besides, I could see it having a very unique government setup: two leaders, one of which is whoever is the leader of France, the other would be the leader of the Spanish devout faction. I know mod devs have been itching to get the tools to have nations with two leaders, so such a unique feature would not go unused.

 

[Panagean]

Somewhat concerned that nationalism content is an immersion pack (which reads to me as a bunch of journal entries and progress bars) rather than a mechanics pack.

(And the Iberian stuff sounds lamely alt-historical)

 

[Kriss79]

All exciting stuff, thank you! Austrian and Ottoman flavour was much needed. And the focus on trade is also a good choice.

Also, is there any content for Bohemia/Moravia as part of Austrian flavour?

The Czech resistance was also an important part of the later Austrian struggles.

Also Polish part of Austrian empire in those times was quite rich in historical events( peasants uprisings in Galicia, polish political fight for minority rights in austrian parliment) and it would be good to see it in this pack along with Hungarian,and Balkan ones

 

[FranklyJustNess]

I am quite skeptical of Charter of Companies and the idea of economic soft power, and "controlling the people who need it". It's actually a worry I have overall of the World Market. AI simply has no concept of where their goods come from. In current version, you can supply all the iron a country is using, and have it be the very reason their economy is working at all, and they still fight you over Regime Change in Tunis. Once there's an extra layer of ambiguity, and your goods go into the World Market and affect prices there, I doubt AI will ever pay any attention to how economically reliant they are on you... and that's honestly quite a shame in a game which focuses so much on the economy.

In a way it's a complaint about the whole idea of flavour in Vic3. I like that now I will be able to specialize my economy more, and that I can take Portugal and make it a massive trade empire utilizing Maccau and colonies. On the same time, I don't really care about Journal Entries to make Portugal more interesting.

• It's largely the fact all countries play the same, with same resoruce needs, same autarky, same goals, etc. that makes me not want to play.
• It's largely the absurd AI, which jumps into wars seemingly without any reason, and is there to ruin your day seemingly randomly. That the great powers seemingly can jump into any war, anywhere, with like 30 interests, that are completely free and don't require any actual reason. Yes, Britian has done nothing here for the whole game, yes, they can join any war here at any time for anything, have fun.
• It's the signing of peace deals, and achieving all war goals that is terrible as AI has no concept of wargoals that they can and can't achieve. You either win completely, or deal with an AI that is stuck on 0 war support, and doesn't care. You can't say "but I take this island I wanted, and have occupied for the last few years", because some other wargoal is not achieved.
• It's the frontline system, which was designed for masochists, as it mixes a relatively unmoving, grindy war, with a lightning fast and binary achieving of war goals from cheesy tactics. How often do you fight a war, sit there until a great power, that joined as a secondary participant leaves, and then just storm the enemy. Or how often is a war won by troops chasing a front line of a sneaky naval invasion? It's a system, that wants to feel like you take care of the economy, and it plays itself, but either what you do doesn't matter, or suddenly wins/loses the whole war in a few weeks.

And for how long those issues reemain, Victoria 3 will be this cool game, that I want to like more, than I do, and that makes me play it for a bit, get tired and frustrated, and not touch it for months.

 

[Grayparrot11]

I have questions regarding the Iberian Twilight Immersion Pack.

Will you be redoing the states in Spain? As in, finally separating Valencia and Murcia into two separate states?

Also, will you fix the location of cities in Spain like Lleida (or Lerida) which you have wrongly placed in Aragon instead of Catalonia?

Thank you.

 

[Kriss79]

Good looking pass for Vic 3. Regarding Chamber of comerce special goods for producing can it be passible to grow coca,and produce chocolate? In XIX century chocolate was for sure an luxurious good
Also maybe if this is an "mechanic" DLC this is good time to small change in ammo factory.Now we have one ammo PM for whole military gear (guns, and cannons) splitting PM in ammo factory - explosives and fertilizer for canon shells ,and lead for small arms ammo can imho enrich military supply expirience And if we can see mortars,flame throwers,and machine guns as separate units in army composition panel this would be victorian commander dream come to life

 

[MadlockUK]

Can't you at least tweak it a bit? Like navies not recovering so fast after being defeated?

I think Trade without Naval power is definitely a bit half baked. It's the age of Mahan Power Projection. Naval Arms races, the US Civil War blockade, Gunboat diplomacy, and so on.

 

[MadlockUK]

Could we get a comment from the Devs on whether navies having actual ships is still (or ever) planned for 2025?

I'm a big fan of splitting big expansions into a mechanic and story DLCs, as the price for the big expansions were getting ridiculous. Many full AA games don't cost as much.

It is on their latest roadmap here: https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1221462/image1.png

I do think a good naval rework would be good as it's definitely the the age of Mahan

 

[Tomislav-II]

I see that Illyria and the yugoslav states are being revisited with the national-awakening stuff.

will Dalmatia become an Italian homeland? im wondering this as at the time it was largely considered one and still had 25~% ish of the population at the time of the game starting and was much higher if we only looked at the cities.

 

[Carlux]

Will there be any free updates before the big ones are released? I mean a patch soon.

 

[dnarik]

Great, more p2w stuff and trade goods bloat

 

[PDX_Pelly]

Im surprised ships and naval warfare seem to get no update whatsoever. Wasnt one point in the road map last year that ships can be individual Units etc...?

We have talked about wanting to look at navies in our What's Next dev diary and Developer Discussion video on that diary, where we went over what we wanted to look at in free updates moving forward post 1.8.

However, navy will not not be a focus of updates for the near future (e.g. 1.9), but will be when we can dedicate the time needed to it as we are quite passionate about the navy ( we really like ships and trains)

 

[riadach]

Will the diplomacy improvements that will make up 1.9 include changes to diplomatic plays?

 

[Nnorm]

Like 90% of these should have been on the game on release, especially carlist wars.

 

[vyshan]

For Austria. I assume the other Balkan states that weren't mentioned will get some flavor, ie romania and Greece. But I am curious if the other non-balkan people of the Austrian empire will have flavor stuff too. the Czechs, the slovaks, the poles, the ukranians, italians. I am also hoping we get various minoriites like the Roma.

 

[sundown7]

We have talked about wanting to look at navies in our What's Next dev diary and Developer Discussion video on that diary, where we went over what we wanted to look at in free updates moving forward post 1.8.

However, navy will not not be a focus of updates for the near future (e.g. 1.9), but will be when we can dedicate the time needed to it as we are quite passionate about the navy ( we really like ships and trains)

Thanks! I also really like ships haha. Keep up the nice work.

 

[migdeu19]

More than one Iberia, for Portugal you should add the "Great Portugal" or "Portugaliza" project. As its name say is a project of union between Galicia and Portugal very popular in the 19th century but which have its roots in the Middle Ages (from the project of the countess-queen Taresia to the II Castilian Civil War passing through the Fernandine wars) and which have some revivals during modern era and the Portuguese Restoration War.

The "Full Iberia" is more of a thing of the Spanish/Castilian supremacism/nationalism in very general terms. Specially of course in the 19th century.

Pd.: in this line I'll recommend u to check on some topics as the migration of low class Galicians to Lisbon and the Anarchism grow as for the general migration of Galician intelligentsia to the broader Portugal (specially liberal professions as doctors) in the 19th centuries.
As the 1846 Galicia Revolution which started by the joint interest of Galician Soberanists (specially students and captains in the Guardia Civil) and Spanish Liberalists in the military but ended in a fully controlled Galician Nationalist uprising with (alledged) Portuguese aid.

This last wants to be somewhat of a (constructive, I hope) critique, but you always focus maybe to much in generic/mythical-nation state history letting aside non state nationalities, which for this era, are extremely important, specially in the Iberian Peninsula (and not just Catalonia).

 

[Play_man16g44]

Is that all??? In a year and a half of development, there will be only one major change in the game, and then not the entire economy, but only trade. I have no words how this can be done.

 

[Bisonmask]

I really was surprised spices weren't added in Pivot of Empire, not to mention Cajun and Mexican/Mexican Indigenous pops would very likely have obsessions with it.

The sad side of having Scandinavian devs

 

[Bisonmask]

I am quite skeptical of Charter of Companies and the idea of economic soft power, and "controlling the people who need it". It's actually a worry I have overall of the World Market. AI simply has no concept of where their goods come from. In current version, you can supply all the iron a country is using, and have it be the very reason their economy is working at all, and they still fight you over Regime Change in Tunis. Once there's an extra layer of ambiguity, and your goods go into the World Market and affect prices there, I doubt AI will ever pay any attention to how economically reliant they are on you... and that's honestly quite a shame in a game which focuses so much on the economy.

In a way it's a complaint about the whole idea of flavour in Vic3. I like that now I will be able to specialize my economy more, and that I can take Portugal and make it a massive trade empire utilizing Maccau and colonies. On the same time, I don't really care about Journal Entries to make Portugal more interesting.

• It's largely the fact all countries play the same, with same resoruce needs, same autarky, same goals, etc. that makes me not want to play.
• It's largely the absurd AI, which jumps into wars seemingly without any reason, and is there to ruin your day seemingly randomly. That the great powers seemingly can jump into any war, anywhere, with like 30 interests, that are completely free and don't require any actual reason. Yes, Britian has done nothing here for the whole game, yes, they can join any war here at any time for anything, have fun.
• It's the signing of peace deals, and achieving all war goals that is terrible as AI has no concept of wargoals that they can and can't achieve. You either win completely, or deal with an AI that is stuck on 0 war support, and doesn't care. You can't say "but I take this island I wanted, and have occupied for the last few years", because some other wargoal is not achieved.

Vic 3 is one of those games that gets 2-3x better when played in multiplayer for these and other reasons