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Having Finland join the Axis (something they did not do historically, they were 'just' fighting Russia the same time Germany was), that would be even better because it would enlarge the front the Russians have to cover without enlarging it for us at the same time. However, the Finish army is quite small and their border is very long. They may crumble before the Wehrmacht can make it's weight felt further down in the south.

Swedens important cities (read: VPs) are actually quite easily reachable with amphibious landings and from what one can read between the lines, Norway is slowly drifting towards the Allies in any case, so it will become a target sooner or later and her important cities are also easily reachable with amphibious landings... or from Sweden. If France really falls in late '39 / early '40, there'll be more than enough time to deal with the Scandinavian countries as well as with Republican Spain. However, sneakey pete is right when he says that this will give us quite a long coastline, running all the way from the tip of Norway down to Gibraltar. A coastline we will have to defend from the British while we're busy with Stalin's hordes in the east.

A less ambitious plan would be to 'just' go for Denmark (probably not even that) and neglect Scandinavia altogether. This would shorten the coastline considerably, but also enable the British to go for those countries first or to get those countries to join the Allies. We'd also need to set up several interceptor squadrons in the north to defend us from British air attacks.

All in all, it seems to come down to choose the lesser of two evils.
 
Very nice! I like how the navy is making progress, and hope, of course, for a beautiful and diversified Kriegsmarine. It's really nice that you're building all those units which feel good to have, but have (arguably) limited use when playing as Germany. When you play HoI, I can really relate with Kaiser Wilhelm and his wish to have a grand navy!

I am interested in seeing your army - I would assume that you don't have your units standardized in boring 3INF+1ART mainstay units and ARM+AC heavy hitters? But if our clerk is as well informed about the war as he is about diplomatic and intelligence, it's going to be interesting soon - and perhaps we will receive some first hand records from his family members, so conveniently active in all service branches :)

PS: Did you consider sending Condor Legion type support to Japan in China? One might call this gamey, but since the Spanish Civil War gives no experience to German units and practicals, and Japan often performs below historical par, it's something I keep considering...
 
The Fuhrer and the ObU should be reminded that type II subs have very limited range and type VII subs are not yet available in sufficient numbers to critically cripple the British war effort. The submarines should also first and foremost be used to seal off the Baltic sea for Polish ships in case those try to flee to Britain or in case Britain and/or France try send support to Poland. Since Denmark will still be unoccupied in this situation, the Kriegsmarine will need every ship and plane available to keep both sides from supporting each other. Otherwise, the effort in Poland might easily be prolonged to a point where we need to postpone operations against the west due to weather conditions and refitting of battered units.

Baltasar: The Type II U-boats were scrapped long ago, as it was realised they were simply underwater coffins. It is true our U-boat number are low (3 flotillas of Type VII and 4 flotillas of Type IX with 2 more in production) but we intend to speed production now we have some experience. The Ostsee fleet (Schlesien and Schleswig-Holstein) is to provide shore bombardment rfor the attack on Danzig, while the main battle fleet is to blockade the Denmark Straits.

Even though the British are claiming to be freedom loving people, they might try to open a front with us from Norway, especially once we are marching through Denmark. Both countries are easily within fighter range and I probably don't need to point out the dangers of British bombers stationed in southern Norway.

Next on the list is Sweden. Since they are apparently also trying to undermine our scientific efforts, we could decide to show other officially neutral countries how bad an idea this is. Swedens army is relatively small and should be no match for the Wehrmacht and it also holds quite a few resources, although mostly metals.

While an invasion of Norway has been considered, we believe that the troops required would be better used to crush France quickly. Of course, should the situation change, we would review this decision. (One of the major uses for Norway is the advance air bases it provides for our naval bombers). If an attack on Norway were to be carried out, any action on Sweden would depend on their closeness to the Allies.

Do we have plans for Finland? It could be a useful staging area once operations against Russia start. Same reasoning for the Baltic states, Romenia and may be Turkey. The wider the front is, the more troops Stalin will need to cover them, the easier it will be to break through somewhere. I suspect that we can forget assistance from our Japanese allies; they took quite a beating by the Chinese rabble and would probably not stand a chance against a more organized opponent like the Red Army. I'm astonished we haven't heard that the collective IJA top staff has commited Sepuko yet, I thought they were of the Samurai tradition.

We will be signing a Pact with the Soviets which will see the Baltic States swallowed (bar Memel). A decsion on Finland will be made after the Winter War - if it seems possible to bring it into the Axis we will make the effort. To date our efforts to build relations through trade have been a failure. Same with Rumania, though if they keep moving to the Allies we make have to take steps to secure their oil. Turkey is more long term - let's see if we need to go into Greece and how long that takes.

The Japanese appear to be a lost cuase - it will take them years to recover their losses in China, and they must have lost access to a lot of raw materials for their factories. We are not relying on them to pin many Soviet divsions.



The Fuhrer and the OKH may want to reconsider the use of mobile troops in Spain. After crossing the Ardennes from the north, the Iberian Peninsula streches out in vast plains to the south which would be quite suitable for mobile forces. A single corps consisting of 3-4 divisions would probably be most useful in this enviroment without putting too much strain on our supply lines. If Spain is a viable target, Portugal has to be considered too. If they align themselves to the British and French, we will have to clear them out, simply because we can't allow them to act as a gate for Commonwealth troops in our backyard. Keeping the British from landing successfully on the continent will be of the utmost importance once we get involved in the east.


Portugal is a member of the Axis, so no problem there. I take your point re the motorised, but every unit will be needed in Russia, so the Heer prefers to move them out early, incase they get bogged down at the opposite end of the continent (which may be the case if there is British (or even USA) support). Maybe over-cautious, but Russia will be a challenge with our army structure. Our divisions are big and strong (all four regiments) but there a lessof them, so all will be required from Day 1.

Operations against the Balkan countries always have to take the cost into account, in such cases the cost in garrisons. Unless the Ministers chose not to inform their minions, the German industry is not training any Garrison units up until now. Keeping in mind that we will need quite a few of them, together with mobile reserves in both France and Spain to deter any British landings, this is a bit unnerving because we will have to use regular infantry formations for garrison duties. If we are to include the Balkans into the Reich, we'll need even more Garrisons which means more regular infantry units will be tied up initially. The Fuhrer has to decide whether the additional cost in troops and resources is worth the gain.

As Yugoslavia is a member of the Axis, it is not an issue. We hope to persuade Romania to join us, but if not then its oil makes it worth while to garrison. We hope Italy may take care of Greece. So the only other is Bulgaris - shouldn't take many troops. We intend to start producing garrisons and police in month or so - small divisions for resource areas and major cities, with cavalry units interspersed.


I'm confident that our Ministers will provide a decent report about Russia in the future, so we can take an educated guess as to how long it will take us to defeat Russia and what we are up against in the first place. Even with better tanks and planes, an army several times the size of what we can field in the east will probably defeat us.

Russia's elimination of most of our spies is a problem, but we have now ordered all spies to go into sleeper mode, so we should build up numbers again. We also plan to build radar units in selected border provinces.

If vast encirclements are what we want to do, then we need a vast mobile army, if not several of those, to break through and seal of Russian formations. Does the Fuhrer already have plans for the setup of those formations? How about Luftwaffe support for those organisations? Where will the Luftwaffe generally be attached to?

At present we have 3 Leichte Panzer Divisons (2x Light Armour, 1x Mot. Inf., 1x Tank Destroyer) and 1 Panzer division (2x Medium Armour, 1x Mot Inf, 1x SPA). We aim to have at least another 4 Panzer Divisions and 4-6 Panzer Grenadier Divisions (2x Mot Inf, 1xAC, 1x either SPA or TD) by the time we attack Russia. Probably not enough, but that is the bare minimum. Depending on our occupation policies, may be a lot more. There are a lot of unknowns, particularly the lelvel of manpower losses in Poland, France and Spain. That may determine our policies.

The Luftwaffe is still to grow. We see the 12 tactical air wings primarily slowing supply, with the CAS assisting the ground attacks. The MPF will be in the East so they can either conduct air supremacy or ground support. All the interceptors will be needed to stop British bombers in the West. I know I should bomb the British airbases, but don't want to try to do everything and end up doing nothing. As for where they will be attached, I am leaning to taking control of the air as well as the sea.

Edit: corrected several spelling mistakes. If anyone finds some more, keep them :p

Sorry for the delay in replying - I tore my cornea yesterday and it has made reading (and eveything else!) v. painful. Even with heavy duty painkillers. Which is why there won't be an update today. Maybe tomorrow.
 
Sorry that i can't write as... well, as Baltasar, however my own personall opinion would be to keep sweden netural at all costs. Sweden has a large proportion of its territory that is low on infrastructure and any important territories (all VP's are in the south). Then moving onto finland would be even worse. If they were to be captured during the summer, it would draw troops away from the main showdown with france (as it would need to be started very early to capture all of finland before winter). Campaining in finland and northern sweden in winter is just a No Go. It would tie up numerous divisions in a conflict that would, ultimatly, not be going anywhere fast. A perfered choice of action, in my opinion again, would be to focus on keeping the swedes netural, and perhaps influencing the finns to join the axis by diplomatic means (as per real life). As for norway, all it adds is a nice long coastline to defend...

Regarding spain, the only problem with a motorized force is supply. There's only a 2 province wide gap into spain, and the infrastructure is low, 60% or less by my memory. Supplies can be a real issue.

Anyway, Looking foward to the game, no matter which way you decide to take it.

Sneaky Pete: Re Sweden and Finland, I agree. Norway I have found useful in HOI2, so may give it a shot, depending on whether I have a few divisions free. All subject to change of course:D
 
what sort of leadership have you been devoting to research over the years ?

InReality: We started with 15 research projects, but that was because we were using a lot of spies and diplomats. We fairly quickly started to increase that number, up to 20 in April 1936, 22 in August 1936. Now up to 25 after leadership increases from Austria and Czechoslovakia.

As I mentioned in the last update, I suspect this may have to drop to allow us to increase officers if we expand the Wehrmach drastically while starting to take combat losses
 
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Very nice! I like how the navy is making progress, and hope, of course, for a beautiful and diversified Kriegsmarine. It's really nice that you're building all those units which feel good to have, but have (arguably) limited use when playing as Germany. When you play HoI, I can really relate with Kaiser Wilhelm and his wish to have a grand navy!

I am interested in seeing your army - I would assume that you don't have your units standardized in boring 3INF+1ART mainstay units and ARM+AC heavy hitters? But if our clerk is as well informed about the war as he is about diplomatic and intelligence, it's going to be interesting soon - and perhaps we will receive some first hand records from his family members, so conveniently active in all service branches :)

PS: Did you consider sending Condor Legion type support to Japan in China? One might call this gamey, but since the Spanish Civil War gives no experience to German units and practicals, and Japan often performs below historical par, it's something I keep considering...


BlueAngel: Thanks for the positive comments. I hope to provide a snapshot of the Heer before hostilities start - just so everyone will know what I have to work with. But it is currently pretty varied and will get more so (as it was historically). And we will be getting updates from the front - as youpoint out it is convenient that our narrator has relatives so nicely spread out in the armed forces. He may also get some new friends, depending on how things go.

I thought (very briefly) about sending troops to China, but it seemed a lot of effort for a doomed cause. With no way of predicting what damn fool thing the Japanese were going to do, my men would probably never have made it home, and I need every pair of boots. The practical experience would have been great for research, but the price was too much.

I agree that, strictly speaking, there is no real point in building up a nice looking navy - either build dozens of light crusiers or lots of battleships or subs. But I like playing with ships and it just seems really gamey to me to ignore the naval side. (But that is probably me rationalising what I want to do!) I just hope it doesn't all get sunk in one massive early seabattle (happened to me once in HOI2 CORE - 6+ years of production lost in a few hours!).
 
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I'm sorry for not paying enough attention to this AAR when commenting, Portugal and Yougoslavia joining the Axis should've been obvious to me as well as the scrapping of the 'Einbaum' Type II subs.

Baltasar: The Type II U-boats were scrapped long ago, as it was realised they were simply underwater coffins. It is true our U-boat number are low (3 flotillas of Type VII and 4 flotillas of Type IX with 2 more in production) but we intend to speed production now we have some experience. The Ostsee fleet (Schlesien and Schleswig-Holstein) is to provide shore bombardment rfor the attack on Danzig, while the main battle fleet is to blockade the Denmark Straits.
I'd still use the Type VII subs to help the aging cruisers against the Poles while the Type IX can be send out for hunting in the Atlantic. Since the occupation of Danzig should be a matter of mere days, the deployment of the Type VII will not keep them from convoy hunting for too long while their presence may be decisive when dealing with what the Poles call their navy.

I take your point re the motorised, but every unit will be needed in Russia, so the Heer prefers to move them out early, incase they get bogged down at the opposite end of the continent (which may be the case if there is British (or even USA) support). Maybe over-cautious, but Russia will be a challenge with our army structure. Our divisions are big and strong (all four regiments) but there a lessof them, so all will be required from Day 1.
Since the operation against Republican Spain should start by mid-40 at the latest and the operation against Russia should start by early 41 at the earliest, we have a 9 month window to redeploy that single motorized corps back to the east. I still think it would go a long way helping subdue Spain and still be ready for duty in the east once we're ready.

We hope to persuade Romania to join us, but if not then its oil makes it worth while to garrison. We hope Italy may take care of Greece. So the only other is Bulgaris - shouldn't take many troops. We intend to start producing garrisons and police in month or so - small divisions for resource areas and major cities, with cavalry units interspersed.
Are there any plans for coastal protection units? I somehow doubt cavalry and garrisons will be capable of fighting off regular infantry units let alone any heavier units the Brits might throw at us.

At present we have 3 Leichte Panzer Divisons (2x Light Armour, 1x Mot. Inf., 1x Tank Destroyer) and 1 Panzer division (2x Medium Armour, 1x Mot Inf, 1x SPA). We aim to have at least another 4 Panzer Divisions and 4-6 Panzer Grenadier Divisions (2x Mot Inf, 1xAC, 1x either SPA or TD) by the time we attack Russia. Probably not enough, but that is the bare minimum. Depending on our occupation policies, may be a lot more. There are a lot of unknowns, particularly the lelvel of manpower losses in Poland, France and Spain. That may determine our policies.
So we will have to wait and see how things are going once Poland and France have been dealt with. If we're quick, we could still start training heavy units then and they'd be ready for Barbarossa or very shortly after things started in the east.

The Luftwaffe is still to grow. We see the 12 tactical air wings primarily slowing supply, with the CAS assisting the ground attacks. The MPF will be in the East so they can either conduct air supremacy or ground support. All the interceptors will be needed to stop British bombers in the West. I know I should bomb the British airbases, but don't want to try to do everything and end up doing nothing. As for where they will be attached, I am leaning to taking control of the air as well as the sea.
We know Goering always gets carried away when talking about his planes, but there is a downside on attacking infrastructure: we are going to conquer the provinces and then the damaged infrastructure suddenly works in favour of our enemies because it will slow us down, thus giving them time to regroup and dig in. Unless we're facing something like a permanent line of defense (eg Maginot line) from where we are attacked, I strongly recommend to leave the infrastructure alone and attack the defending units. That way we force the enemy to reinforce his units, which in itself puts a stress on his economy, and keep him from producing more units. Of course, at the same time we avoid slowing ourselves down unneccessarily because we have to wait until sufficient supplies can be transported over the roads we destroyed ourselves mere days ago.
 
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Sorry for the delay in replying - I tore my cornea yesterday and it has made reading (and eveything else!) v. painful.

Ow! I hope it's not too serious, and can be done with antibiotics treatment alone! Having had hard contacts for twenty years, I feel your pain. Get better soon and - though I don't like saying that - better stay off the computer for a while.

Your point about China is very good. In addition, massive troop losses there would be too embarassing to describe in a storytelling AAR.

And it's good to hear that some military reports shall be incoming - let's see whom else our clerk will meet...
 
Ow! I hope it's not too serious, and can be done with antibiotics treatment alone! Having had hard contacts for twenty years, I feel your pain. Get better soon and - though I don't like saying that - better stay off the computer for a while.

+1 ... get well soon, continue to really enjoy reading your AAR, am utterly convinced by the 'voice' you're using. :)
 
Are there any plans for coastal protection units? I somehow doubt cavalry and garrisons will be capable of fighting off regular infantry units let alone any heavier units the Brits might throw at us.

Baltasar: There will be an Army Group France with coastal divisions at all ports - probably two armnies (NE and West) with some troops inland to rush to assist if a landing takes place. I would like some armour but that will hard to requisition.

I take your point re the TACs. For the first attacks I will follow your advice,but with the later encirclements we may not take the territory - more inportant to slow the counter-attackers. But flexibility is the key.
 
BlueAngel and loki100: Thanks - I have done it many times before. All you can do is lay still in a dark room - until the boredom gets too much and you spend 5 mins replying to posts on the computer!;)
 
re:baltaasar post I was reading a post that stated interdiction attacks did slow enemy reinforcements moving to a battle.saving infrastructure you may need later. get well soon

Maestro42: Thanks. You are right - I didn't explain my planned tactics properly. I didn't intend to bomb infrastructure, just interdict. That way I think I can slow reinforcements to the front, and if and when they do arrive, they are already suffering from loss of organisation. Worked a treat in HOI2 - let's see how it goes in HOI3.

Have taken the offortunity to read Kirth Gerson's AAR again and have been thinking about the use of AI. I really want to issue orders and sit back and watch what happens. I have been waiting for years for a game that will allow me to do this, and it seems wimpish not to take the opportunity. I think I will follow Kirth's advice and use the AI at Army level (pretty much the conclusion I had come to - Corps is too detailed). Still agonising about air, but suspect I will take the plunge and attach at Army level and see how it goes - at least for Poland! Navy is definitely human controlled.

Apologies for no updates - combination of pain and pain-killers makes it a bit hard to concentrate, and my standard of play is going to be embarrasing enough as it is. Though being able to blame drugs is a viable method of saviing my self esteem.

PS I really appreciate people like Kirth, Rennslaer, Chilango, Myth, Ian Clacher, loki100 (I could go on for quite while but you get the picture) etc etc who put in the time to try things out and detail the results without fear or favour.
 
Baltasar: You were right and my memory is obviously affected by pain-killers (or early senility). I scrapped the U-boat IIAs, but kept the IIBs. I didn't build any Type VIIs - went straight ot Type IXs. So I currently have 3 x IIB and 4 x IX. My apologies for not even being able to remember what I did, and I keep notes!
 
Although I hate to say it , take it easy for a while !!

and really looking forward to seeing your OOB before it all kicks off.

I'm in mid 38 (again) and really tempted to build a few ships this time !
 
Get well soon! and no worries, a little impass only makes me more anctious for the next update ;)
 
Although I hate to say it , take it easy for a while !!

and really looking forward to seeing your OOB before it all kicks off.

I'm in mid 38 (again) and really tempted to build a few ships this time !

Get well soon, Uriah. Your AAR is very well written and very interesting. :)

Get well soon! and no worries, a little impass only makes me more anctious for the next update ;)

Get well. We can wait for more until after your well.

Thank you all - much better today. Off to work looking like a pirate (eye-patch) and hopefully have another update this evening (Australian Western Time). At least having plenty of time to think has allowed to work out my attack on Poland. Those Generals had better follow the master plan!