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AOK. 11 said:
I'm alive? :confused:
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Well either you are a wolf or the wolves are playing with you or being oddly sporting. I doubt jonti would let you sell him out for credit though so you are highly unlikely a wolf, enough so that lynching you makes no sense under present situation. I have to check timing to have a better idea about others. Split hunt makes a small degree of sense as he would also seem fairly clean with jonti a baddie.
 
AOK. 11 said:
I will look it all over and give a recommendation. I did not really think beyond Jonti as I was sure I was dead whether right or wrong. :D
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Best likely option today is WHO would leave you alive so long as they fit some other theories. Seems highly likely you are a goodie also so obviously no voting aok except a possible placeholder anyone!
 
Yeah more idiocy!:wacko::wacko:
 
Okay. 9 players: 6 Good Nazis + 3 Nazi Werewolves

The Nazi Werewolves need to get it down to six. We thus have two more lynches before parity unless the wolves snipe a tie, in which case we could all die tomorrow. Thus, NO TIES!

We can go ahead and mark AOK and HDK off as unlikely wolves. Both have been voted by, or voted for almost everyone. They both also played critical roles in lynching the Nazi Werewolf Jonti when an innocent, Split, could have easily been lynched in his place. Thus, AOK and HDK are not good lynches. I also think dublish is a bad choice today. His obvious help to the village in the form of his vote reference, and his changing his vote from Split to Rand put Jonti into a tie with Split. He is thus not a good lynch either, at least for now. Xarkan as well is not a good choice, at least for now. His vote for Jonti was very important even though it was late. He also has very limited pack options. AOK and HDK are absolutely terrible suspects. Dublish and Xarkan are bad suspects for now.

That leaves us with five names:

Marty (Now Torn)
Yakman
Rand
Jester
Jacob

I would imagine that at least two of our Nazi Werewolves and possibly all three are among those five. I want to hear opinions. I want to hear theories. Say your piece. I am working on mine. Lets hear yours. :)
 
this is a good analysis.

i would, at least temporarily, remove tornadoli from the list. wolves rarely get themselves into a non-voting position to such a point where they get auto-subbed.

that leaves me, randakar, jester180, and jacob-lundgren.

now, i'm not a wolf.

so that leaves randakar, jester180, and jacob-lundgren.

personally, i'm convinced that jacob-lundgren is a wolf, and have voted as such. he has a lot of throwaway votes. i think he's a wolf and we should vote to lynch him.
 
I have no clue why this is not sinking into your skull....


I
AM
NOT
HERE
AT
DEADLINES
.

ALL
MY
VOTES
ARE
THROWAWAY
IF
PEOPLE
DON'T
STRICTLY
BANDWAGON
WHOEVER
I
VOTED
BEFORE
LEAVING
COMPUTER
ACCESS
.

Jeez this is stupid...See this is part of why I quit for a while. People being this thickheaded:rolleyes: you know what...screw this. No one listens still just like before. euro sub me out I would rather spend my time on BSG where at least the other players are not drooling buffoons.
 
not fair.

i'm the only one who votes for you, and as far as i know, i am the only drooling buffoon here.
 
jacob-Lundgren said:
I have no clue why this is not sinking into your skull....


Jeez this is stupid...See this is part of why I quit for a while. People being this thickheaded:rolleyes: you know what...screw this. No one listens still just like before. euro sub me out I would rather spend my time on BSG where at least the other players are not drooling buffoons.
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Do not do that. Do not leave because others are not seeing it your way. Make them see it your way. Convince them that someone else is guilty. Voting you here is reasonable, even if their stated accusations are not.

Most of the players, if not all, can be swayed. Powerful arguments will get you votes. Lay out a case. Pick a suspect, and convince us he is guilty. Or, lay out a specific and reasoned case for your innocence. Better yet, follow my example, and do both together. Lay out piece by evidentiary piece why you are innocent, and why X is guilty. That is how you get people on your side.

You could claim for example that you are Jacob f**king lundgren and that you would have sold Jonti out the minute you saw me go for him. You could repeat your earlier argument that I would be dead by now if you were a wolf. You could argue that you would have hunted someone besides Split, since he we was not a threat to you. There are many ways to force them to see if your way, even if they do not want to.

The players here are not drooling buffoons. They are people that require valid, powerful, and evidence backed arguments. Lay it out, and they will vote.
 
i'm a drooling buffoon.
 
AOK. 11 said:
You are Yakman. That is a given. We are talking about the others.
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i just didn't want you guys to be tarnished with my idiocy. i mean, it's a given that i drag everyone down, but "drooling buffoon" is kinda my thing.
 
Day 1
walrus votes Xarkan (124)
marty99 votes Raczynski (126)
Yakman votes Raczynski (128)
randakar votes Yakman (132)
the_hdk votes Yakman (133)
jacob-Lundgren votes the_hdk (136)
OrangeYoshi votes jacob-Lundgren (137)
Raczynski votes marty99 (142)
jonti-h votes Raczynski (143)
THE_SPLIT votes Yakman (147)
dublish votes AOK. 11 (149)
Xarkan votes dublish (151)
Jester180 votes OrangeYoshi (154)
von Loch Ness votes THE_SPLIT (155)
AOK. 11 votes THE_SPLIT (156)
the_hdk unvotes, votes Xarkan (158)
marty99 unvotes, votes the_hdk (162)
THE_SPLIT unvotes, votes AOK. 11 (166)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes Yakman (167)
AOK. 11 unvotes, votes walrus (169)
the_hdk unvotes, votes THE_SPLIT (172)
AOK. 11 unvotes, votes punkbob (173)
AOK. 11 unvotes, votes THE_SPLIT (174)
THE_SPLIT unvotes, votes punkbob (175)
walrus unvotes, votes Raczynski (176)
THE_SPLIT unvotes, votes Raczynski (178)
the_hdk unvotes, votes punkbob (179)
THE_SPLIT unvotes, votes punkbob (181)
AOK. 11 unvotes, votes punkbob (182)

Raczynski and punkbob lynched
von Loch Ness hunted

Day 2
Yakman votes jacob-Lundgren (208)
jacob-Lundgren votes OrangeYoshi (215)
randakar votes AOK. 11 (216)
marty99 votes jonti-h (222)
dublish votes marty99 (227)
the_hdk votes Xarkan (229)
walrus votes the_hdk (235)
OrangeYoshi votes walrus (238)
jonti-h votes Xarkan (239)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes jacob-Lundgren (242)
AOK. 11 votes jonti-h (243)
walrus unvotes, votes AOK. 11 (244)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes the_hdk (245)* invalid vote
Xarkan votes AOK. 11 (246)
Xarkan unvotes, votes the_hdk (250)
jacob-Lundgren unvotes, votes Xarkan (252)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes the_hdk (255)
jacob-Lundgren unvotes, votes the_hdk (257)
walrus unvotes, votes jonti-h (258)
jacob-Lundgren unvotes, votes marty99 (264)
AOK. 11 unvotes, votes Jester180 (265)
marty99 unvotes, votes Jester180 (266)
jacob-Lundgren unvotes, votes Jester180 (267)
walrus unvotes, votes Yakman (268)
THE_SPLIT votes Xarkan (269)
Jester180 votes AOK. 11 (274)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes Yakman (275)
AOK. 11 unvotes, votes randakar (285)
walrus unvotes, votes Jester180 (286)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes AOK. 11 (288)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes marty99 (290)
walrus unvotes, votes marty99 (291)
the_hdk unvotes, votes randakar (293)
marty99 unvotes, votes randakar (296)
marty99 unvotes, votes jacob-Lundgren (308)
jonti-h unvotes, votes OrangeYoshi (311)
marty99 unvotes, votes OrangeYoshi (312)
the_hdk unvotes, votes jacob-Lundgren (313)
AOK. 11 unvotes, votes OrangeYoshi (314)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes randakar (316)
THE_SPLIT unvotes, votes OrangeYoshi (317)
OrangeYoshi unvotes, votes marty99 (322)

OrangeYoshi lynched
walrus hunted

Day 3
351 Yakman votes jacob-Lundgren (351)
352 randakar votes the_hdk (352)
353 jacob-Lundgren votes THE_SPLIT (353)
354 AOK. 11 votes jacob-Lundgren (354)
358 AOK. 11 unvotes (358)
374 dublish votes THE_SPLIT (374)
375 jonti-h votes Yakman (375)
376 the_hdk votes AOK. 11 (376)
379 AOK. 11 votes jonti-h (379)
391 the_hdk unvotes, votes jonti-h (391)
396 jonti-h unvotes, votes THE_SPLIT (396)
404 dublish unvotes, votes randakar (404)
405 THE_SPLIT votes jonti-h (405)
408 Xarkan votes jonti-h (408)
414 Jester180 votes THE_SPLIT (414)

jonti-h lynched
THE_SPLIT hunted
 
List of votecounts at each vote:

Day 1
124 - Xarkan (1)
126 - Raczynski (1), Xarkan (1)
128 - Raczynski (2), Xarkan (1)
132 - Raczynski (2), Xarkan (1), Yakman (1)
133 - Raczynski (2), Yakman (2), Xarkan (1)
136 - Raczynski (2), Yakman (2), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
137 - Raczynski (2), Yakman (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
142 - Raczynski (2), Yakman (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
143 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
147 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (3), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
149 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (3), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
151 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (3), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
154 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (3), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
155 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (3), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), THE_SPLIT (1), Xarkan (1)
156 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (3), THE_SPLIT (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
158 - Raczynski (3), Yakman (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1)
162 - Raczynski (2), Yakman (2), the_hdk (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1)
166 - AOK. 11 (2), Raczynski (2), the_hdk (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Xarkan (2), dublish (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), Yakman (1)
167 - AOK. 11 (2), Raczynski (2), the_hdk (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Xarkan (2), Yakman (2), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1)
169 - AOK. 11 (2), Raczynski (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), Yakman (2), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), THE_SPLIT (1), walrus (1)
172 - AOK. 11 (2), Raczynski (2), the_hdk (2), Yakman (2), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), THE_SPLIT (1), walrus (1), Xarkan (1)
173 - AOK. 11 (2), Raczynski (2), the_hdk (2), Yakman (2), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), punkbob (1), THE_SPLIT (1), Xarkan (1)
174 - AOK. 11 (2), Raczynski (2), the_hdk (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Yakman (2), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), Xarkan (1)
175 - Raczynski (2), the_hdk (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Yakman (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), punkbob (1), Xarkan (1)
176 - Raczynski (3), the_hdk (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Yakman (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), punkbob (1)
178 - Raczynski (4), the_hdk (2), THE_SPLIT (2), Yakman (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1)
179 - Raczynski (4), the_hdk (2), Yakman (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), punkbob (1), THE_SPLIT (1)
181 - Raczynski (3), punkbob (2), the_hdk (2), Yakman (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1), THE_SPLIT (1)
182 - punkbob (3), Raczynski (3), the_hdk (2), Yakman (2), AOK. 11 (1), dublish (1), OrangeYoshi (1), marty99 (1)

Day 2
208 - jacob-Lundgren (1)
215 - jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1)216 - AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), OrangeYoshi (1)
222 - AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), OrangeYoshi (1)
227 - AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1)
229 - AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), Xarkan (1)
235 - AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
238 - AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1), walrus (1), Xarkan (1)
239 - Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1), walrus (1)
242 - jacob-Lundgren (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jonti-h (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1)
243 - jacob-Lundgren (2), jonti-h (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1)
244 - AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), jonti-h (2), Xarkan (2), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1)
245 - AOK. 11 (2), jonti-h (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1)
246 - AOK. 11 (3), jonti-h (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1)
250 - AOK. 11 (2), jonti-h (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), OrangeYoshi (1)
252 - AOK. 11 (2), jonti-h (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), Xarkan (1)
255 - AOK. 11 (2), jonti-h (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), Xarkan (1)
257 - the_hdk (3), AOK. 11 (2), jonti-h (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1)
258 - jonti-h (3), the_hdk (3), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1)
264 - jonti-h (3), marty99 (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1)
265 - jonti-h (2), marty99 (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), Jester180 (1)
266 - Jester180 (2), marty99 (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1)
267 - Jester180 (3), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), marty99 (1)
268 - Jester180 (3), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), Yakman (1)
269 - Jester180 (3), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), Xarkan (1), Yakman (1)
274 - Jester180 (3), AOK. 11 (2), the_hdk (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), Xarkan (1), Yakman (1)
275 - Jester180 (3), AOK. 11 (2), Xarkan (2), Yakman (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
285 - AOK. 11 (2), Jester180 (2), Xarkan (2), Yakman (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
286 - Jester180 (3), AOK. 11 (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1), Yakman (1)
288 - AOK. 11 (3), Jester180 (3), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), marty99 (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
290 - Jester180 (3), AOK. 11 (2), marty99 (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
291 - marty99 (3), AOK. 11 (2), Jester180 (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
293 - marty99 (3), AOK. 11 (2), Jester180 (2), randakar (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1)
296 - marty99 (3), randakar (3), AOK. 11 (2), Xarkan (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), Jester180 (1), the_hdk (1)
308 - marty99 (3), AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), randakar (2), Xarkan (2), Jester180 (1), the_hdk (1)
311 - marty99 (3), AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), randakar (2), Jester180 (1), OrangeYoshi (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
312 - marty99 (3), AOK. 11 (2), OrangeYoshi (2), randakar (2), Jester180 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
313 - marty99 (3), AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), OrangeYoshi (2), Jester180 (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
314 - marty99 (3), OrangeYoshi (3), AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), Jester180 (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
316 - OrangeYoshi (3), AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), marty99 (2), Jester180 (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1), Xarkan (1)
317 - OrangeYoshi (4), AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), marty99 (2), Jester180 (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1)
322 - OrangeYoshi (4), marty99 (3), AOK. 11 (2), jacob-Lundgren (2), Jester180 (1), the_hdk (1)

Day 3
351 - jacob-Lundgren (1)
352 - jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1)
353 - jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1), THE_SPLIT (1)
354 - jacob-Lundgren (2), the_hdk (1), THE_SPLIT (1)
358 - jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1), THE_SPLIT (1)
374 - THE_SPLIT (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1)
375 - THE_SPLIT (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1), Yakman (1)
376 - THE_SPLIT (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1), Yakman (1)
379 - THE_SPLIT (2), AOK. 11 (1), jacob-Lundgren (1), jonti-h (1), the_hdk (1), Yakman (1)
391 - jonti-h (2), THE_SPLIT (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1), Yakman (1)
396 - THE_SPLIT (3), jonti-h (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), the_hdk (1)
404 - jonti-h (2), THE_SPLIT (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1)
405 - jonti-h (3), THE_SPLIT (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1)
408 - jonti-h (4), THE_SPLIT (2), jacob-Lundgren (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1)
414 - jonti-h (4), THE_SPLIT (3), jacob-Lundgren (1), randakar (1), the_hdk (1)
 
Thanks dublish. :)

Everyone needs to lay out their ideas before they vote. Do not just vote on nothing. Look at all available material, weigh the different options, form a conclusion, and explain specifically what evidence leads you to that conclusion.

We need to hear from everyone.
 
jonti was a candidate on Day 2, but after jacob put him in the lead by switching from the_hdk to marty, 2 switches from jonti to Jester (by AOK and marty, in that order) all but eliminated him as a candidate. The swing from Jester to marty to OY also needs some attention. marty was a key vote in putting both Jester and OY in the lead.

I think marty is a pretty good candidate today, but the evidence is only really there on Day 2- he wasn't really important on Day 1 and wasn't here yesterday. Either randakar or Jester should be pretty good candidates to run him up against due to his Day 2 activities.

Vote marty99/Tornadoli.
 
I am not a wolf. As someone said, wolves rarely let themselves be auto-subbed.
Anyway, from what I see from Dublish' excellent vote-count summary (Thanks:)); I think Xarkan could be a wolf. As far as I can gather, jonti is a very experienced player, so he would try to protect his packmates as well as possible. He would not tell his packmate to vote for him early (as there is no reason), but once it was quite obvious that jonti would be a major suspect in being lynched (he had 3 votes); I think he could tell his packmate to vote jonti to cover up for him. Remember, he did not cast the deciding vote, because only after him did someone else vote Split.

Vote Xarkan

Edit: I just saw many players saying that Xarkan is definately NOT a wolf, could you state your reasons please? The vote will stay for now as a placeholder.
 
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