If anyone's wondering why I didn't out Raczynski earlier, there is a good explanation - I couldn't be bothered
Has anyone pm'd Noble Helium yet?
Has anyone pm'd Noble Helium yet?
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You don't even pay attention after the game is over....
Yes, NH has been PM'd and AFAIK, we are skipping him.
And you couldn't be bothered to attempt to help the village get some baddie names?
I could see your plan falling apart very easily, and as for just announcing it myself, I couldn't get on at the deadline, and I'd rather postpone it for a few days than announce it early and lose an entire day of informationYou don't even pay attention after the game is over....
Yes, NH has been PM'd and AFAIK, we are skipping him.
And you couldn't be bothered to attempt to help the village get some baddie names?
If I had lived for another day, and we hadn't lynched a baddie, I would probably have agreed to your plan, if I had time to do it and to defend myself in case something unforeseeable happened
You gave me a bit of a scare with that. I just ignored that though as everything else she said fit.
edit: ""Lover AOK stayed with jacob"" I wonder if that was the night I joked aok is the only packmate for me?
Sorry. I had to. You were also a very unlikely hunt target so it made sense.
Agreed. Yosh, learn from it or not, its your call. Do not expect to live long though if that is your idea of a sound decision. As I said before in a slightly less polite way, these types of moves are why you get killed.
Just as a side note we had pretty much decided someone was getting sold out that day. First me, then dublish, then torn, then dublish, then torn. Obviously dublish getting hit almost screwed us, but the Sorc group replaced our losses and we won anyway. We could have avoided torns lynching had me and dublish wanted to.
It worked out for the best though. Torn brutalized Rand, we hunted TAM, and I took over the demolished village from there with Calamity's (and a rather clueless OY's) help.
You ran me up when I was trying to get someone else lynched, not snoop, but I did vote for baddies. :wacko: Could have done a bit of good.
And when OY lynched me it was another piece of fail for his part. Had I not been lynched, and Yakman was, there'd be one less Cannibal.
Well, Yakman was Cannibal, AOK was something bad, but sbr was a hula girl doctor.
I was wondering where the cultists/sorcerers were...
I agree with part of that. We had a big disadvantage early on. I am glad that jonti, muttoneer, snoop, and randaker ain't any good.
They actually did a lot better than me this game.
I assume the last part is sarcasm. jonti died before he could do much and mutton was a cultist. snoop and randakar did very well but the village needs more than that, especially when the JL is DOA.
you are right, forgot that muttoneer was a cultist.
yes, it was sarcastic.....
It was just we had several good players left, but were hampered by the seer/priest/witness/others getting killed in the first three days.
It didn't help that I am only on at certain times, usually when it is very quiet. Time zone difference. I had my votes left on people that when a bandwagon starts on someone else, I am at work and cannot change it. So I had bad votes out there.
The cylon thing killed me. There was no way to get out of that. Those in the packs had to kill me; Yakman to kill me and win the game, he thought; and the real cylons because they knew I was just a villager.
If I was there near the end on the day that Kriszo and I dies, I would have unvoted him for the simple fact the voting was very strange. I figured out that we were just being killed. If he was a baddie, he was only a cultist being sacrificed and the real wolf was still out there.
The Cylons deserved getting killed. They trust their cultist in a discussion of who gets sacrificed! And that cultist is AOK:rofl:
AOK should have leader-lynched walrus and let Yakman win instead. At least Yakman played with skill as a wolf, while walrus just got lucky to get a cursed role.
Outnumbered 4:1 in a pack on pack shootout and Yakman takes down the three original Cylons and the only one that survives to defeat him was a cursed turn.
What is more, the GM should have given AOK time to change his mind rather than handing the game to walrus. Who knows what might have happened before the deadline? Give a bit of chance for someone to manufacture pressure from somewhere, and AOK might have changed his mind. He has already sacrificed one of his pack, he might end up sacrificing another. The GM has to let the players have a chance to mess things up. If AOK knows the GM will end the game like that, it gives him two shots at picking who to leader lynch. He tries one, and if the game goes on, come the deadline he changes his mind and picks another instead. You should only end the game prior to the deadline if the rules don't allow for changes of orders once they have been sent.
I think it is really bad when players give in to pressure and surrender. If you are a wolf, make the villagers kill you. They are lying about how certain they are about winning, thats why they are asking for a surrender. I think it is even worse when a GM surrenders on a player's behalf. Yakman, might, or might not be doomed in that situation. The GM has to give him the chance to prove it one way or another.
Autokilling the one wolf that played with real skill in the game is a pretty sad way to end it.
We had decided already before that we wanted to win with the Cylons. We could've got walrus lynched easily earlier (me and AOK were plotters, remember), but we thought that would be cheap.
You typoed "OrangeYoshi" who killed me before I could do any good. :<
And getting the GM to autokill the last cannibal wasn't a cheap way to win?
Trying to win with the pack that had a 4:1 advantage wasn't a cheap way to win?
Trying to win with the wolves that hunted Slinky on the first night in both this game and the last game wasn't a cheap way to win? (Yes there is a wolf that ate Slinky on the first night in both the last two games, and Slinky gets a huge amount of first night hunts and that is pretty cheap too.)
It is the first of those that is the really cheap one though. Using people's desires to get the game finished to persuade the GM to kill the last wolf for you.
You should have done it properly. Run him up and lynched him. You had the votes to do it. Don't try pretending that you had to leader lynch him to make sure, you had the votes to lynch whoever you wanted. The reason you tried that trick was that you were not sure, and were hoping to get the GM to do the job for you. You conned the GM and he should be ashamed of himself for falling for it, and you should be ashamed of yourselves for trying it.
You got yourself killed. You put OY under pressure and he cracked. He did exactly the right thing in that situation, which is to take out the person doing the pressuring. He may not be sure of the game situation, he is likely misreading it because of the pressure, but he accurately identified who was pressuring him and took him out. It is better not to crack under the pressure, but once you are cracking the best thing to do is to react against whoever is pressuring you.
OY is well known for cracking under pressure. You put him under pressure by sending him PMs and then ramped it up in the thread. It was extremely silly if you thought he was on the same side as you. It was doubly silly when you knew he could get you lynched whenever he wanted.
If you want to take it out on anyone, vLN is the real villain. OY is more fun to tease about it, but vLN deserves real punishment for his part in creating that cock-up.
Correct, but I will give Noblehelium some time to show up. Mostly because I don't have a theme and setting yet
That sort of thing doesn't really registers with me. I actually had to check to verify that I was hunted first night in the last game also
Correct, but I will give Noblehelium some time to show up. Mostly because I don't have a theme and setting yet
That sort of thing doesn't really registers with me. I actually had to check to verify that I was hunted first night in the last game also
I know it doesn't. One of the reasons people do it to you is that they know you are too nice to complain about it.
Can you imagine the howls jonti would be making if the same wolf had eaten him on the first night in the last two games? It would almost be worth doing just to hear him go bananas about it.Just don't let AOK (or anyone else) con you the way he conned johho at the end of this game. Not that I expect they would succeed. From the games I have seen and the rules I have read, you are the GM who has the best understanding of how players can manipulate the GM into giving away information and how to stop them.
In hindsight I should have tried harder to be an obvious extra-important goodie in an attempt to get wolves to hunt me (thus causing a no-hunt or two).
I wanted to do that at some point but then EURO started with his "I'm the seer" lies ;-)
Also funny: I considered staying with Calamity at the start for a few nights as she was quiet and unlikely to get hunted. But then I thought she might be the seer (hence the quiet) and decided not to.
Tsk.