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Dutchemperor said:
The cities has got to be names the ruler have them, so the Hungarian cities should be German names because the Austrians gave them that names and they are the current ruler of it. also with Russian cities who there name changed in USSR, Stalingrad was Tsaritsyn.
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But the Hungarian part of the Monarchy wasn't under Austrian rule, it was a Dual Monarchy where Hungary had the same rights as Austria. The common Ministries (foreign affairs, army, spendings) was under the control of both nations but Hugnary was totally free in her internal affairs had a separate government, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary
 
Dermaglen said:
But the Hungarian part of the Monarchy wasn't under Austrian rule, it was a Dual Monarchy where Hungary had the same rights as Austria. The common Ministries (foreign affairs, army, spendings) was under the control of both nations but Hugnary was totally free in her internal affairs had a separate government, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary
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True, Hungarian territorial names shouldn't be germanized because of this fact. If this mod was happening pre-1867, names could be German, but Austria-Hungary is federation of two monarchies, Austrian Empire and Kingdom of Hungary. Kaiser was both Austrian Emperor and Hungarian King. Because of the same fact, Zagreb shouldn't be renamed to Agram, as continental Croatia had very special status under Hungarian rule(Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia). Croats were the only nation that was enjoying autonomy under Hungarian Crown. No other Hungarian part didn't enjoy special autonomy. As for Dalmatia, German names can be used, because Kingdom of Dalmatia was administrative unit of Austrian Empire, and not part of Croatia-Slavonia, which was autonomous entity of Hungarian kingdom.
 
Vaximillian said:
Dude, copy-pasting has never been a good job. Even my typo in "Strakonitz" was preserved. Shame on you!:mad:
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of course i copied, i am not go search anything (i am lazy):rolleyes:, i thought lets put it all in one post. then it is easier to find.

lets give the hungarian cities then the hungarian names.
 
Dutchemperor said:
of course i copied, i am not go search anything (i am lazy):rolleyes:, i thought lets put it all in one post. then it is easier to find.
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Ok, but don't do this anymore!:D Or just give reference to original posting:rofl:

Kidding, lol.

Dutchemperor said:
lets give the hungarian cities then the hungarian names.
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I'd agree with this. Hungarian cities should remain Hungarian, and what's with Croatia? It belonged to Hungary but was autonomous.
 
i think it should have Hungarian names; because it was part of the hungarian area in A-H. and it sounds cooler, much more intressting.

so: Austria have German names
and Hungary Hungarian names

Bosnia will be divided in two, Hungarian part and Austrian part. i dont know if the yugoslavian provinces are changed here much but here is a pic.
EDIT: they are, give the most far right under Austrian and the other 3 Hungarian names, if they then got another name. Croatia had autonomy but it was still part of Hungary.

hungaryq.png


but please change the names how were in 1914 and not 1936, as on the normal map.
 
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Dutchemperor said:
Bosnia will be divided in two, Hungarian part and Austrian part.
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Just for you to stand corrected;)

The "Hungarian" part is Bosnia per se, and "Austrian" part is called Herzegovina.

:cool:

Anyway, I agree with your proposal.
 
What is going to happen in Scandanavia? That could be a very interesting area for the Central Powers and the Entente in particular. Here are some ideas I thought off the top of my head;

Norway: They start off neutral but are in the midst of serious economic difficulties. In about 1937, there is a coup by right-wing militants (lead by Quisling, of course), the player gets to decide whether this suceedes or not. If the coup suceeds, then Norway will align with the Entente against Sweden.

Sweden: Aligns with Germany to protect itself from Norway, France and Russia, as well as to reclaim Aland and Finland. Perhaps if they conquer Norway and 'liberate' Finland during the war, they have the option to create a Greater Scandanavia after the end of the war (assuming a German victory).

Iceland: One problem with PteaP was that there was very little variety in the sort of World War you'd get. Essentially it was always Anglo-Germany vs Franco-Russia; there was no reason or oppurtunity for the WHTO to get involved. To solve this, I think the Commonwealth needs a chance to decide which side it will take in the war.
In 1938, Norway starts violating Danish fishing grounds around Iceland. When the Danes protest, Norway has the chance to blockade the island. Denmark then can either give way or ask the Central Powers for assistance. If the CPs give it to them, a diplomatic incident erupts. The British offer to mediate and decide for which side. The side they decide in favour of will most likely be the one they support in the Great War.

I'm sorry the Iceland crisis sounds so like Kaiserreich, but that's probably the best mod on these forums and (no offense to General Grant), it handled the run-up to the Second World War a lot better than PteaP handled it's war.
 
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Dutchemperor said:
i think it should have Hungarian names; because it was part of the hungarian area in A-H. and it sounds cooler, much more intressting.

so: Austria have German names
and Hungary Hungarian names

Bosnia will be divided in two, Hungarian part and Austrian part.
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Well, the thing is that Hungarians ruled in Croatia, but didn't settle there. That's major diffrence with Slovakia for example, because Hungarians didn't claim Croatia as their national proper, and didn't colonize it. Croatia was not ruled directly from Budapest, Hungarian Crown was represented via official called Ban, who was appointed by Hungarians. Croats also elected their own national parliament called Sabor, what was great sign of their unique status. We can't just negate importance of Croatian autonomy, which was especially of very great cultural and national importance for Croats. Croats even had their own Ausgleich with Hungarians in 1868. They even had their own national gendarmerie called Imperial Home Guard.

Giving Hungarian names to lands of Croatia-Slavonia would negate all those historical facts. If we want to keep at least some historical flavour here, we can't just make things diffrent because it looks cool this way. People coming from nations that were once part of Austria-Hungary, including me, would see such step very unprofessional. Don't bother with my opinion, it's just a game after all, but it would be nice to keep things according to historical facts IMHO. Alternate history is based on real historical facts.

Probably nitpicking, but it's silly and unplausible to divide Bosnia into two parts. Bosnia was Austro-Hungarian condominium, administrated by joint Austro-Hungarian ministry(both Austrian Empire and Hungarian Kingdom had same authority over Bosnia). Bosnia is very complex area and Austro-Hungary knew that. There was also no Germanization or Hungarization, so native names should stay. Banja Luka, Bihac, Mostar, Sarajevo, Travnik and Tuzla were official names of districts. Austria-Hungary in this mod still exists and it isn't reasonable to make some imaginary changes with it.

@Vaximilian: Division into Bosnia and Herzegovina doesen't have anything with Austro-Hungarian Bosnia and Herzegovina.

@talt: Great ideas for Scandinavia!
 
Asalto said:
@Vaximilian: Division into Bosnia and Herzegovina doesen't have anything with Austro-Hungarian Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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I know, just wanted to correct DE.
 
talt said:
What is going to happen in Scandanavia? That could be a very interesting area for the Central Powers and the Entente in particular. Here are some ideas I thought off the top of my head;

Norway: They start off neutral but are in the midst of serious economic difficulties. In about 1937, there is a coup by right-wing militants (lead by Quisling, of course), the player gets to decide whether this suceedes or not. If the coup suceeds, then Norway will align with the Entente against Sweden.

Sweden: Aligns with Germany to protect itself from Norway, France and Russia, as well as to reclaim Aland and Finland. Perhaps if they conquer Norway and 'liberate' Finland during the war, they have the option to create a Greater Scandanavia after the end of the war (assuming a German victory).

Iceland: One problem with PteaP was that there was very little variety in the sort of World War you'd get. Essentially it was always Anglo-Germany vs Franco-Russia; there was no reason or oppurtunity for the WHTO to get involved. To solve this, I think the Commonwealth needs a chance to decide which side it will take in the war.
In 1938, Norway starts violating Danish fishing grounds around Iceland. When the Danes protest, Norway has the chance to blockade the island. Denmark then can either give way or ask the Central Powers for assistance. If the CPs give it to them, a diplomatic incident erupts. The British offer to mediate and decide for which side. The side they decide in favour of will most likely be the one they support in the Great War.

I'm sorry the Iceland crisis sounds so like Kaiserreich, but that's probably the best mod on these forums and (no offense to General Grant), it handled the run-up to the Second World War a lot better than PteaP handled it's war.
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And what about Norway trying to create a unified Scandinavia?
 
Vaximillian said:
I know, just wanted to correct DE.
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I didn't fully understand context of your comment, sorry. :eek:o

@Viden: I read your thoughts about appearance of Fascism, but I think that timeline is too short to just bring Fascism in power, shortly after countries are defeated in war. My idea is to avoid putting OTL Fascism in scenario, I would rather see more original kinds of radical ideologies, like Kaiserreich Mod has. No Stalinism, Leninism, Fascism and National Socialism, because circumstances are much more diffrent than OTL. Classic Pteap already has diffrent ideologies(ST is Communist, LE is Socialist, FA is Absolutist and NS is Radical Nationalist). Such naming fits more into context of this mod, are there any more proposals on names of ideologies? I wonder how could we define Bonapartism, it has both Right and Left elements. I think that authoritarian regimes of Entente should distinguish from authoritarian regimes of Central Powers, maybe being French system more like Revolutionary Nationalist(led in autocratic way), while German system being more like Reactionary Authoritarian? France would probably like to export Bonapartism, just as Napoleon I exported new ideas in Europe. Maybe we could use NS for Bonapartist France, since nobody use Radical Nationalist in classic Pteap. It would be similar as National Populism in Kaiserreich, we only need more suitable name.
 
Asalto said:
I didn't fully understand context of your comment, sorry. :eek:o

@Viden: I read your thoughts about appearance of Fascism, but I think that timeline is too short to just bring Fascism in power, shortly after countries are defeated in war. My idea is to avoid putting OTL Fascism in scenario, I would rather see more original kinds of radical ideologies, like Kaiserreich Mod has. No Stalinism, Leninism, Fascism and National Socialism, because circumstances are much more diffrent than OTL. Classic Pteap already has diffrent ideologies(ST is Communist, LE is Socialist, FA is Absolutist and NS is Radical Nationalist). Such naming fits more into context of this mod, are there any more proposals on names of ideologies? I wonder how could we define Bonapartism, it has both Right and Left elements. I think that authoritarian regimes of Entente should distinguish from authoritarian regimes of Central Powers, maybe being French system more like Revolutionary Nationalist(led in autocratic way), while German system being more like Reactionary Authoritarian? France would probably like to export Bonapartism, just as Napoleon I exported new ideas in Europe. Maybe we could use NS for Bonapartist France, since nobody use Radical Nationalist in classic Pteap. It would be similar as National Populism in Kaiserreich, we only need more suitable name.
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Fascism only need four years to came to power in Italy, and we have 28 years of game. I think we can add two World Wars, not only one.

I like Bonapartism instead National Socialism. Or perhaps Neobonapartism? National Socialism had elements of both Right and Left too.

My ideas:

Stalinist > Bolshevik
Leninist > Communist
Left-Wing Radical > Revolutionary
Social Democrat > Social Democrat
Market Liberal > Liberal
Ultraliberal > Libertarian
Social Conservative > Conservative
Paternal Autocrat > Absolutist
Fascist > Fascist
National Socialist > Bonapartist/Neobonapartist

I dislike a bit the democratic ideologies, but I don't understand very well what is what... :eek:o
 
Viden said:
Fascism only need four years to came to power in Italy, and we have 28 years of game. I think we can add two World Wars, not only one.

I like Bonapartism instead National Socialism. Or perhaps Neobonapartism? National Socialism had elements of both Right and Left too.

My ideas:

Stalinist > Bolshevik
Leninist > Communist
Left-Wing Radical > Revolutionary
Social Democrat > Social Democrat
Market Liberal > Liberal
Ultraliberal > Libertarian
Social Conservative > Conservative
Paternal Autocrat > Absolutist
Fascist > Fascist
National Socialist > Bonapartist/Neobonapartist

I dislike a bit the democratic ideologies, but I don't understand very well what is what... :eek:o
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First, I don't like if any of the ideologies is named 'communist' because it's so large term. It covers everything from Juche to nowadays green-thinkers with bit leftist ideas. Also I think Napoleonism is not very extreme, at least not any way more extreme than fascism. So I would propose this:

Stalinist > Bolshevist/Bolshevik
Leninist > Menshevist/Menshevik
Left-Wing Radical > Revolutionary
Social Democrat > Social Democrat
Social Liberal > Liberal
Market Liberal > Libertarian
Social Conservative > Conservative
Paternal Autocrat > Authoritarian
Fascist > Absolutist
National Socialist > Fascist
 
Viden said:
And what about Norway trying to create a unified Scandinavia?
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i think norway should fight to get ice and greenland back and even some areain sweden. denmark can try to get denmark-norway back, together woth some swedish land.

@asalto

about that sound cooler was just a joke (ha, i am soooooo funny). and if they divided bosnia-hercegovinia (in dutch the whole area is called bosnia, also the country there now, so that was the misunderstanding) would that then became hungarian or croatian? what are the croatian names for the 3 provs there?

ok are there any other provs wich need to be recalled (out of europe)? africa maybe? the german colonies?
 
Miihkali said:
First, I don't like if any of the ideologies is named 'communist' because it's so large term. It covers everything from Juche to nowadays green-thinkers with bit leftist ideas. Also I think Napoleonism is not very extreme, at least not any way more extreme than fascism. So I would propose this:

Stalinist > Bolshevist/Bolshevik
Leninist > Menshevist/Menshevik
Left-Wing Radical > Revolutionary
Social Democrat > Social Democrat
Social Liberal > Liberal
Market Liberal > Libertarian
Social Conservative > Conservative
Paternal Autocrat > Authoritarian
Fascist > Absolutist
National Socialist > Fascist
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Mensheviks were democrats. And because Bonapartism wans't very extreme, I invented Neobonapartism, a more radical way of Boanapartism.

PS: Juche and green-thinkers aren't communist. :p
 
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