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I get killed before your precious newbies do. Joining a game is a pointless endeavor.

I suggest going to the doctor and getting a prescription for 2 testicles. This is all.

i like a personale massage, with whip cream?

Kinky.

Fun stuff over....................

We have 2 conflicting outings. AOK's came first, but coming first does not always mean it's good. nudge nudge wink wink.
We then have Randy who counterclaims, which is insanely stupid if he is himself a wolf, but not if he's been fed a load of male cow poo from elsewhere.

With 12 players left, and 4(?) varulver we have time until parity - this little lot has given us plenty of suspects to hang in the coming days. Worst case is 10-4 at the end of the day, which still gives us breathing space.
Ockham would suggest that we hang Trespoe and if he isn't a wolf then AOK, since nobody would try to con him. The alternative is TIE, but then we don't want to TIE a potential JL spokesman. I'd not trust AOK further than I can throw him, but he has nothing to gain by committing hari kari at this point in the game.

I don't think Randy would lie off his own bat, but if someone's telling him stories......

I trust neither to be honest, but we've got to try at least.
Vote Trespoe.
 
Yes, Parity is assured if you are the wolf and we do not lynch you now. Do not (purposefully!) underestimate yourself. You can out yourself as a wolf and still avoid getting lynched. I have played enough games with you to know the power you have over the village. And I know exactly what tomorrow will happen if we lynch trespoe today and see that he is a villager. You will say you were apparently set up by the wolves as a fake JL and you are only too happy to give us the name. In fact, you already did PM someone with the name at T-1, because "oh, I might be hunted by the wolves to prevent me spilling the beans". And the whole village will be only too pleased to get the lying bastard, only to see he is a villager too, and the village is suddenly taken over by the werewolfs. And if you need me to do the math: Today 12 villagers, 4 wolves. Tomorrow: 10 villagers, 4 wolves. After we lynch your supposed fake-JL-contact: 8 villagers, 4 wolves = parity.

This. Very much this. I hadn't thought AOK's gameplan through entirely yet, it seems.
This makes a ton of sense.

And of course I was also suspicious of Randakar in my post. I need to keep an open mind and consider the situation from multiple points. One of them being that Randakar is a wolf. It is not "seeming suspicous", it is not covering my tracks, it is trying to found out the thruth. Who has the likeliest story. Then I make up my mind. And I do that in the open, so that people can give counterarguments on my reasoning. Something which you have barely done.

I can't expect you to do anything else. The village needs independent thinkers if it is to survive.
 
Flattery will not help you avoiding the noose, but I thank you for the compliment ;)
Yes, Parity is assured if you are the wolf and we do not lynch you now. Do not (purposefully!) underestimate yourself. You can out yourself as a wolf and still avoid getting lynched. I have played enough games with you to know the power you have over the village. And I know exactly what tomorrow will happen if we lynch trespoe today and see that he is a villager. You will say you were apparently set up by the wolves as a fake JL and you are only too happy to give us the name. In fact, you already did PM someone with the name at T-1, because "oh, I might be hunted by the wolves to prevent me spilling the beans". And the whole village will be only too pleased to get the lying bastard, only to see he is a villager too, and the village is suddenly taken over by the werewolfs. And if you need me to do the math: Today 12 villagers, 4 wolves. Tomorrow: 10 villagers, 4 wolves. After we lynch your supposed fake-JL-contact: 8 villagers, 4 wolves = parity.

Sorry Rysz, but I would be lynched immediately if Trespoe is not a wolf. Your entire thought process is flawed.

It again sounds like you are knowingly helping to railroad me but at the same time trying to cover your tracks.
 
This. Very much this. I hadn't thought AOK's gameplan through entirely yet, it seems.
This makes a ton of sense.

You are usually good with arguments, but this line of thinking is patently absurd. You and Rysz are simply making stuff up. I would be lynched immediately if trespoe was not a wolf, and rightly so.

But you know that. You are simply saying otherwise to scare people into killing me.
 
Very well Randy. I was hoping we could be friends despite our differences. Since you seem to have taken this to an entirely new level of heathenish treachery, I will fight you at your own game.

Being friends has nothing to do with it. This is a game, where butchering your friends and family is par for the course. You of all people should know this :)

Never underestimate the stupidity of other people. I have screwed more games that way than any other. It sounds ridiculous. I do not disagree, However, is the truth.

The only truth in there is that it sounds ridiculous :p

Quit trying to steal my colors. I used Cyan first. Stop stealing my methods.

Pot, kettle. Besides, plagiarism is the most sincere form of flattery, isn't it?

Again, there is a first time for everything. You obviously got jumpy when Reis and I attacked you. Whether you are a wolf or not, what you did was not well thought out.

Contacting other people telling them you are scanned simply because you got a few votes is ridiculous whether its true or not. Given the obvious lack of caution in that move either way I feel it quite likely you would do that as a wolf.

Ah, yes. My main flaw - that nasty impulse to approach influential people and tell them the truth. Obviously it wasn't the smartest thing in the world to do, but done was done. Now, instead of me outing you today without contest, we have to duke it out in the open. Very well.
 
Sorry Rysz, but I would be lynched immediately if Trespoe is not a wolf. Your entire thought process is flawed.

It again sounds like you are knowingly helping to railroad me but at the same time trying to cover your tracks.

Do not insult my experience in this game. It's not the first time that there has been a fake outing or a counter-outing, and I've seen enough times the village lynching the contact given by the hoodwinked spokesperson. In fact, that makes sense to do so. Why lynch the hoodwinked villager, if you can lynch the wolf that hoodwinked him? Why else would you give that name anyway, if not to get him lynched?

And I have no tracks to cover (except when I'm working at the model railroad :p), I just want to lynch the one that will keep parity away, and allow the village to win.
 
Do not insult my experience in this game. It's not the first time that there has been a fake outing or a counter-outing, and I've seen enough times the village lynching the contact given by the hoodwinked spokesperson. In fact, that makes sense to do so. Why lynch the hoodwinked villager, if you can lynch the wolf that hoodwinked him? Why else would you give that name anyway, if not to get him lynched?

Rysz, I will be lynched if tres is innocent. You know this. I am not insulting your experience. I am saying you are being misleading. I think you want me dead, and are trying to lead the village in that direction without seeming too obvious. That is suspicious to me.

All I know is I got a contact claiming Trespoe is a scanned wolf. I believe him based on what I know. I did an outing in good faith, and of course me being me, it did not go how I had hoped.

I am an innocent villager. I believe trespoe is a wolf and believe my contact. If trespoe is not a wolf, then I will die. That is clear. I ask the village to give me the chance to prove myself, and if I am found wanting, then string me up on the morrow. And if you lynch me, then for God's sake do not let anyone talk you out of lynching Trespoe tomorrow.
 
You are usually good with arguments, but this line of thinking is patently absurd. You and Rysz are simply making stuff up. I would be lynched immediately if trespoe was not a wolf, and rightly so.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Remember folks, this comes from the man who openly told everyone that he was a wolf in my babies game and then managed to avoid the noose and massacre the village completely.


Why exactly is no response evidence of my guilt? If I do not trust someone or I feel they are up to something I will often simply not reply. Never talk to the police. On a similar note, never reply to a PM unless you have a specific purpose in doing so. I had none with you.

Oh, come on. At the very least you would have doubted yourself for a while, as a villager. You would have tried to get more information. You -know- I never use easily avoidable lies if I can help it. Especially not as a villager. You would have asked me for more information, trying to sound me out. Instead, you say absolutely nothing.

But I digress, you are a worthy opponent.

Some truth! Yay!


What you are accusing me of is not brazen. It is suicide without any catalyst. That is not brazen. It is stupidity. Call me brazen if you wish, but I am not incompetent.

Look, the only way what you say can be true is if I have been played, quite skillfully, by my contacts. Contacts that wanted to out you as a wolf before your announcement happened. I just don't see that happening, sorry.
And look at the scenario Rysz gave us! This is what we are looking at, here. If you had pulled this off you could still have won!


Ask Reis what I said to him about your claim to being in the JL. I thought it bullshit the minute I saw it. Ask him. I did not believe you. To think I would go over the cliff based on that in a game going the wolves way so far is a major stretch.

:rofl: Reis? You want me to rely on -reis-??
Well. I know what Reis said. He forwarded that PM to me, you see.

And what I thought at the time was "AOK is a wolf." Really. When you have someone claiming he is JL, you don't try to blacken that person's name without good reason. My PM telling you about the scan on me should have convinced you. Or at the very least, prompted you to reply "I don't trust you, sorry. Give me a wolf and we'll talk." Which would have been -fine-.

Instead, you ignore me completely, only to tell Reis in a very short message that you think he is on the right track in not trusting me.
That, AOK, sounds very much like the move of a cowardly wolf, not a villager AOK who has no qualms about speaking his mind.


Fake outings never work, and thus I have never tried. However, you might change that here. And no, I am not happy about that.

A fake outing has always been possible in this game. That's why it is tried so often. It -could- work, if done right. And you have done one very, very well. I really do applaud you. If anyone can pull this off, you can.


Really? Suicide is offense as a defense? I guess Hitler putting a bullet through his own head was actually a final grand offensive against the Red Army for the glory of the Fatherland? You learn things every day. The next time I want to take the initiative to protect myself, I will take some cyanide. This Randakar approved offense as a defense through self destruction strategy is fascinating.

Don't act so naïve and innocent. We are talking about the one person who prides himself on how many people of the opposing team he has massacred.


For the village, it is quite simple.

Even you should be aware by now that most of the village simply doesn't have a clue which of us is speaking the truth here. Rysz has it right. Jonti .. he could easily be your packmate. In fact, everyone who votes Trespoe here is suspect. The wolves can pull of a stalingrad if they manage to lynch trespoe, and you know it. Because you are one.
 
Do not insult my experience in this game. It's not the first time that there has been a fake outing or a counter-outing, and I've seen enough times the village lynching the contact given by the hoodwinked spokesperson. In fact, that makes sense to do so. Why lynch the hoodwinked villager, if you can lynch the wolf that hoodwinked him? Why else would you give that name anyway, if not to get him lynched?

And I have no tracks to cover (except when I'm working at the model railroad :p), I just want to lynch the one that will keep parity away, and allow the village to win.
There's so much argumentation going around, I can't make head nor tails from it anymore. Therefore, I shall stick to facts and my own logic.

Facts:
1) First, AOK outed Trespoe.
2) Second, Randakar counter-outed AOK.

My conclusions:

1) If we lynch Trespoe, and Trespoe is a wolf, Randakar is too, or he is misguided.

2) If we lynch Trespoe, and Trespoe is not a wolf, Randakar is not a wolf, and AOK is a wolf or misguided.

3) If we lynch AOK, and AOK is a wolf, either Trespoe and Randakar are wolves, got a lucky hunch are OR the actual JL. Of course, in this case, they do not necessarily have the same role/option. One could very well be a wolf with the other being misguided. If AOK is a wolf, this could very well be a sacrifice on the wolves' part to make sure people trust the wolf Randakar.

3) If we lynch Aok, and AOK is not a wolf, Randakar and Trespoe are either wolves or misguided.

Thus, the option that gives us most information for the coming days, is lynching Trespoe.
Therefore, I vote Trespoe.

Vote Trespoe.
 

You will be. First I save you, then this treachery?
I shouldn't have let you live, should I? You are a wolf, aren't you?
 
1) If we lynch Trespoe, and Trespoe is a wolf, Randakar is too, or he is misguided.

So that tells you absolutely nothing, doesn't it?

2) If we lynch Trespoe, and Trespoe is not a wolf, Randakar is not a wolf, and AOK is a wolf or misguided.

In which case it -still- tells you nothing. I will have been hunted then, no doubt.

3) If we lynch AOK, and AOK is a wolf, either Trespoe and Randakar are wolves, got a lucky hunch are OR the actual JL.

What?!?! Why on god's green earth would -wolves- out -another wolf-?!?
And lucky hunch?!? Wake up, Sedracus. Either I am lying, or I'm not. If AOK is a wolf, Trespoe and Randakar are VILLAGERS. Full stop.

Of course, in this case, they do not necessarily have the same role/option. One could very well be a wolf with the other being misguided. If AOK is a wolf, this could very well be a sacrifice on the wolves' part to make sure people trust the wolf Randakar.

Bloody nonsense. There is a seer in this game. Wolves outing other wolves to gain credit while a real seer is still alive? What kind of crazy concoction is this?

3) If we lynch Aok, and AOK is not a wolf, Randakar and Trespoe are either wolves or misguided.

.. again, telling you -nothing-.
edit: actually, thinking on this - then you lynch trespoe tomorrow, fine. :p

Thus, the option that gives us most information for the coming days, is lynching Trespoe.
Therefore, I vote Trespoe.

Nice try. Now switch to AOK. If you lynch him and he is a wolf there are two people guaranteed villagers. (But one of them was hunted - me.) If you lynch trespoe and he is a wolf you only will know NOTHING. Any wolf worth his salt will have hunted AOK in a scenario like this.
 
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If this is the best you can do, please let Randy argue for you as you suck.

Really, the "AOK IS DE EVIIILLL" line of argumentation went out of style about 2 years ago and is not interesting. Someone has contacted me claiming to be the Seer and to have scanned you a wolf. Its that simple. Randy's counter is a wolf lie more than likely. And why would I fake out you at this point? Has anyone explained this? I have not even been threatened at all. Has anyone even voted me besides Randy? Also, tres, if you are going to go with the "I HAVE NEVER DONE A FAKE OUTING" then I can claim the same thing. Find me doing a fake outing as a wolf before I had been outed myself. Find it. Anywhere. You cannot, because it has never happened.

It is suicide, and suicide is not called for when one is not an outed wolf. That story does not make sense. Sometimes AOK speaks the truth. Occam's razor suggests this is one of those times. I have done what Randy is doing now, which is make bizarre claims of Seerhood and JLhood when facing death, but a blatant fake outing when under no pressure is not something I have done before, so if you want to make that rather weak argument I can say the same thing.

Nobody has ever done anything. Until they do. That line of argumentation is worth nothing to either of us. The simplest answer is usually right in these situations. That answer is that trespoe is a wolf, and AOK, for once, is telling the truth.

I noticed you become a liberal when you are a wolf. You don't like debating facts and instead belittle and insult the other players. You did it in the baby game and every other time I can recall.

You may want to stop that behavior, as it is your biggest wolf-tell.

i have read everything, even twice, because when i read the last post of trespoe (443) . i did think: huh? i did not read that AOK uses this nasty words, so i read it again, and indeed i did not find AOK saying words with ** in it. The first quote i never find anywhere, the second quote a bit altered, the 3d quote was real.

so trespoe, i think that is a mean thing to do. AOK may be making "fake outings" but you are making fake quotes.

And now I have read everything, but the second thing to do is making sense of all of this. I will try to do that when i am eating my breakfast.
But my first conlusion is:
you are all weirdo's! this is supposed to be a nice game. I think i will go work in my garden instead. Kill some plants.....

The first quote was from the baby game, the second from general WW, and the third was this game. It is a pattern of repeated behavior.
 
You will be. First I save you, then this treachery?
I shouldn't have let you live, should I? You are a wolf, aren't you?

why so tense?... i reviewed the information in front of me and made a decision. i thank you for the vote switch which saved me but in truth i did not ask for it. im just that good that i got you to switch without having to ask :p

at the end of the day, one of you is lying and all will not be lost if we get it wrong this time and we will also end up with a wolf dead if the village doesnt turn dopid tommorow.
 
I can't read quickly enough to keep track of everything.
I can't decide which one of these two "combattants" is right here.

i think going after trespoe is also not the solution, and in fact, what Randy says is true. Who goes after Trespoe now is likely to be a wolf.
So i am voting on the one who as the first one put forward the idea of voting Trespoe, (argument: vote trespoe now and then decide tomorrow which of them AOK or Randy was right), and that is Adamus. I suspected him yesterday already, so that is were my vote goes.

VOTE ADAMUS
 
If AOK is a wolf and manages to get a villager (Trespoe) killed. Then tomorrow it's 4 vs 10. That's not exactly what I call parity. Moreover, let's push it further. AOK succeeds and he's a wolf. He's damn sure to be lynched tomorrow. Then we'll have a 9-3 ratio. I'm not gonna argue again about the JL statistics and all, but that's just a plain stupid strategy for the wolves. Who would allow that?

I don't have enough time to go through all the arguments since I have an appointement! Damn deadline.

So here's what I suggest: tie the basterds. Get AOK and Trespoe.

1- If both are villagers we go for Randy the next day. 9 vs 4 tomorrow, with Randy dead that's 8 vs 3 the next day.

2- If AOK is a wolf and Trespoe is a villager. We can put our trust on Randy blindly. 10 vs 3 tomorrow.

3- If AOK is a villager and Trespoe is a wolf, we go for Randy. 10 vs 3 tomorrow, and we got another suspect that's 9 vs 2 the next day.


I do think it's the best solution. Moreover we'll have lots of information from the unavoidable vote snipes.

I'll put Trespoe on par with AOK, you guys sort it out, I really really have to go. I wish i could come up with something better, but well.


VOTE TRESPOE
 
Official Votecount is Official.
Deadline in approximately 2,5 hours.

Trespoe (5) - AOK.11[409], jonti-h[461], Adamus[394,469], Sedracus[471], drxav[478],
Adamus (1) - Dirkje[476],
AOK.11 (3) - trespoe[412], Randakar[419], Rysz[454],



not voted: Walrus[], Boris[], Hipp0[], Reis91[], The_Split[],
 
Nice try. Now switch to AOK. If you lynch him and he is a wolf there are two people guaranteed villagers. (But one of them was hunted - me.) If you lynch trespoe and he is a wolf you only will know NOTHING. Any wolf worth his salt will have hunted AOK in a scenario like this.

Wut?

If the village lynches trespoe, there will be plenty to learn. The village will know that I am telling the truth and that Randy is lying. I will be dead, but my Seer will be alive. The village will have a wolf, and another likely wolf to be string up, and the Seer still alive. The village will also have invaluable information looking at who exactly tried to railroad the JL spokesman.

You are simply spouting nonsense now Randy.