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What you're saying gives verisimilitude to Hebelecan's claims of having you in his JL.
IRT Enkhuush
It's good to know the village hasn't totally lost its head.
Seer outing himself , claiming to scan a wolf he PM’ed wow, just wow never seen this one before.
Now pure logic has to dictate that we go for ?furry? hebelcan and move on with this…. But now reading what Vain has posted I am having my doubts…The lines are drawn very clear either AssAlcor and ?vain? are wolfs or hebel is one. Hebel the villager I know would not go for an unproven tie today – this will lead to his and villagers death….. but Hebel the wolf would also never attempt to tie another wolf with him (simply no reason)
Thus the result is clear we need a TIE… this will net us one wolf at the expense of two villagers (one dead one hunted), but it is better then having two dead villagers and no wolfs..
Vote AssAlcor
Now pure logic has to dictate that we go for ?furry? hebelcan and move on with this…. But now reading what Vain has posted I am having my doubts…The lines are drawn very clear either AssAlcor and ?vain? are wolfs or hebel is one. Hebel the villager I know would not go for an unproven tie today – this will lead to his and villagers death….. but Hebel the wolf would also never attempt to tie another wolf with him (simply no reason)
Thus the result is clear we need a TIE… this will net us one wolf at the expense of two villagers (one dead one hunted), but it is better then having two dead villagers and no wolfs..
Vote AssAlcor
Hebelecan (3) - Vainglory, Athalcor, Enkhuush
Athalcor (3) - Hebelecan, Tai, The_Split
Athalcor (3) - Hebelecan, Tai, The_Split
Could you please stop calling me Assalcor? Thanks
. You know, I could call you The S*it and I am not doing that.I am surprised that you all trust Hebel and his theories. I still have in my memory ye olde AOK the wolf and his large accusing posts.
Hebel, you made the village vote for esemesas, the villager - the only one with an actual theory. And then you just say: too bad and accuse another person.
If there are three wolves remaining, we are, as Vain said, in a very dangerous situation.
The village has two options:
1. Trusting either me or hebel. Choosing wrong could mean game over.
2. Make a tie. That is a good idea. Too bad I am a part of it...
Could you please stop calling me Assalcor? Thanks
I am surprised that you all trust Hebel and his theories. I still have in my memory ye olde AOK the wolf and his large accusing posts.
Hebel, you made the village vote for esemesas, the villager - the only one with an actual theory. And then you just say: too bad and accuse another person.
If there are three wolves remaining, we are, as Vain said, in a very dangerous situation.
The village has two options:
1. Trusting either me or hebel. Choosing wrong could mean game over.
2. Make a tie. That is a good idea. Too bad I am a part of it...
I do not trust Hebel, but I do not trust you either...one of you is lying and the liar is a wolf..... anyway you spin it a tie would be benefical to the village
No counter claim from someone else, so that make me think that hebelecan is telling the truth.
Vote Athalcor the Wolf
Vote Athalcor the Wolf
The hell? I've posted a refutation of Hebelecan on many points!
Yea I read them, however none of them were a direct counter to his claim, only that his move did not make sense. It seems to me that you might be one of the other wolves and are trying to save your packmate by turning the village on the seer.
I should point out that we are not in sudden death mode. We only had 15 players, and with 15 players you only have 3 wolfs, not 4. We got one of them and that means we have another day if we don't make any more TIES.
She keeps a Moët & Chandon
in a pretty cabinet
"Let them eat cake," she says
Just like Marie-Antoinette
A built in remedy
For Khrushchev and Kennedy
At anytime an invitation you can't decline...
Caviar and cigarettes
Well-versed in etiquette
Extraordinarily nice...
in a pretty cabinet
"Let them eat cake," she says
Just like Marie-Antoinette
A built in remedy
For Khrushchev and Kennedy
At anytime an invitation you can't decline...
Caviar and cigarettes
Well-versed in etiquette
Extraordinarily nice...
Your reasoning is so poor that I'd think you're just being deliberately obtuse and are Hebelecan's packmate - except that you voted to lynched him yesterday.
I'm not trying to turn the village on the seer: we were already on a course to lynch Hebelecan yesterday! You voted for him too! He was saved by a fake JL outing and that doesn't make you at all suspicious?
I suggested lynching him before he claimed to be the seer. I suspected him yesterday and he slipped away, so I put him up again. Now you want to let him slip again just because he says he's the seer, and presents us a story riddled with inconsistencies?
If Hebelecan is the seer and revealed himself to the wolves why wasn't he hunted?
Why would they save him from lynching in the first place?
If I knew he was the seer why wouldn't I just hunt him?
Remember Hebelecan's suggestion for why Athalcor didn't hunt him last night was that Athalcor suspected Hebelecan wasn't the real seer. Aside from the fact that this would mean the real seer risked exposure to a wolf to save a mouthpiece when more could be found, and risked lynching (in the event did lynch) an innocent villager to save the mouthpiece net gain of 0, aside from THAT I've already said Athalcor could have let Hebelecan get lynched AND hunted whoever he liked!
Aside from THAT let's assume Athalcor really bottled it. I have not previously been publicly associated with Athalcor - why would I associate myself with Athalcor now? If he's a wolf the game continues tomorrow, and you guys will lynch me next. It would be smarter to sit this one out, snipe if possible, and let the village thrash about for a candidate after offing Athalcor, rather than associating myself with him.
If Najs wasn't fed false information by a wolf why would they hunt him when he'd get lynched for it the next day anyway?
If Hebelecan is the seer why did he go hard on Esemesas without having scanned him?
If Hebelecan is the seer why did he vote for Boris right as his JL friend was telling Boris to out Rysz? It clearly wasn't an alibi because of the timing. So Hebelecan's JL member picks Boris to trust - the same person Hebelecan considers most suspicious?
Hebelecan tells us Boris had to follow them or get lynched, but that is not true. Boris had 2 votes and I had 2 votes at that time. Hebelecan's vote for him went through AFTER he outed Rysz, there was plenty of time until deadline and four other candidates had 1 vote with 3 not voted yet - including Boris! There's no way the JL picked Boris because he had to comply.
Everything Hebelecan says doesn't fit with reality! Not one thing he says is true! The burden of proof that Hebelecan is the seer lies with him, not me! His answers to these questions aren't satisfactory. You put the burden of proof on me.
Hebelecan's motive for claiming to be a seer is extremely obvious: to save himself, and to get a villager lynched in his place.
I'll admit the possibility that Athalcor is a wolf and Hebelecan the seer. But if this is the case both of them seem to have displayed staggering incompetence. Athalcor should have let Hebelecan get lynched when he made the seer claim, saving him just risked exposure. Hebelecan for his part has laid out his case in such a bad manner that it just convinces me he's lying.
Reis has discussed the setup, it is either 4 or 3 wolves. If you want to bet on the "over" rather than playing it safe on the "under"...
I implore you all, Hebelecan is the wolf. Look back to when Hebelecan nearly got lynched on page 17. When page 17 starts it is:
hebel (4) - ese, tai, EL, Najs
ese (3) - xenu, EL, vain
najs (1) - enk
vain (1) - Ath
Najs says "The lack of a counter-bandwagon is disturbing. Maybe hebel isn't the one we seek" and unvotes - but this creates a tie so it may not be his real intention.
Hebelecan appears and votes Esemesas up to save himself, as anyone would.
I swap votes to Hebelecan with the express purpose of seeing who will jump to save Hebelecan.
hebel (4) - ese, tai, EL, Vain
ese (3) - xenu, EL, Heb
najs (1) - enk
vain (1) - Ath
Najs then votes Esemesas for the tie.
Athalcor appears and transfers his vote to Hebelecan.
hebel (5) - ese, tai, EL, Vain, Ath
ese (4) - xenu, EL, Heb, Najs
najs (1) - enk
With Hebelecan in the lead someone persuades Najs that Esemesas is a wolf. Now look Najs' comments:
Esemesas suggests that it is a Najs-Hebelecan-Enkhuush pack.
Najs responds that Esemesas is a moron... why? Because he's sure Hebelecan is the seer. Najs thinks it is an Esemesas-Hebelecan tie and says:
"It's a tie right?
Want to know who you killed?"
Were it a tie, Esemesas's vote would have lynched Hebelecan too... and Najs is criticizing him for getting the seer lynched.
Yet again Hebelecan's claims do not fit with reality. He said he added both villagers after scanning... which means his own JL buddy Najs tried to get the seer lynched... right... he even suggests a xeno-hebelecan pack as the most likely when he voted for Hebelecan! Najs was clearly brought on board between page 17 and page 18.
Let's ignore that for a second, damning though it is for Hebelecan's "I added them immediately".
Know why Hebelecan won't name his JL buddy? Because if he names someone not in the JL, let's say Tai, then that person will call Hebelecan a liar and we know he's not the seer. So his only option is to name his packmate, which means if we lynched Hebelecan that we'd lynch his packmate.
Looking at the votes Hebelecan's anonymous buddy must be Split or Xeno, because the others who voted for Esemesas, and therefore to save Hebelecan, were: Hebelecan, Athalcor, and Najs. Najs is named, can't be him. Hebelecan can't be his own JL member. Athalcor clearly isn't a JL member. So it's Split or Xeno.
Split voted Athalcor... Xeno hasn't voted.
Split was aiming for a tie, but that's up to Xeno. However one cuts it Split or Xeno is Hebelecan's packmate or JL member. I think it's Xeno. I think he's seeing which way the wind blows before he commits to saving Hebelecan or cuts his losses and lets Hebelecan get lynched but leave us no leads. Xeno now has the power to cause a tie, or put Hebelecan into safety.
As of now I think this game is over. Votecount:
Hebelecan (3) - Vainglory, Athalcor, Enkhuush
Athalcor (4) - Hebelecan, Tai, The_Split, Eternaly_Lost
Tai will not swap, he's asleep (as I should be).
Hebelecan obviously won't kill himself.
If The Split switches we can't be sure he's not Hebelecan's packmate in which case he could snipe, break the tie, and potentially win the game if it is 5 to 3.
If Eternaly_Lost swaps then we can get Split's preferred tie, which I admit would get us 1 wolf and 1 villager, plus a hunt = either 3 to 2 or 3 to 1. I'll take that over handing the game over this round.
I hate to lose Athalcor because I know he's legit, but the tie is the best option right now. Please, Eternaly_Lost, go for the tie!
hebel (4) - ese, tai, EL, Najs
ese (3) - xenu, EL, vain
najs (1) - enk
vain (1) - Ath
Najs says "The lack of a counter-bandwagon is disturbing. Maybe hebel isn't the one we seek" and unvotes - but this creates a tie so it may not be his real intention.
Hebelecan appears and votes Esemesas up to save himself, as anyone would.
I swap votes to Hebelecan with the express purpose of seeing who will jump to save Hebelecan.
hebel (4) - ese, tai, EL, Vain
ese (3) - xenu, EL, Heb
najs (1) - enk
vain (1) - Ath
Najs then votes Esemesas for the tie.
Athalcor appears and transfers his vote to Hebelecan.
hebel (5) - ese, tai, EL, Vain, Ath
ese (4) - xenu, EL, Heb, Najs
najs (1) - enk
With Hebelecan in the lead someone persuades Najs that Esemesas is a wolf. Now look Najs' comments:
Esemesas suggests that it is a Najs-Hebelecan-Enkhuush pack.
Najs responds that Esemesas is a moron... why? Because he's sure Hebelecan is the seer. Najs thinks it is an Esemesas-Hebelecan tie and says:
"It's a tie right?
Want to know who you killed?"
Were it a tie, Esemesas's vote would have lynched Hebelecan too... and Najs is criticizing him for getting the seer lynched.
Yet again Hebelecan's claims do not fit with reality. He said he added both villagers after scanning... which means his own JL buddy Najs tried to get the seer lynched... right... he even suggests a xeno-hebelecan pack as the most likely when he voted for Hebelecan! Najs was clearly brought on board between page 17 and page 18.
Let's ignore that for a second, damning though it is for Hebelecan's "I added them immediately".
Know why Hebelecan won't name his JL buddy? Because if he names someone not in the JL, let's say Tai, then that person will call Hebelecan a liar and we know he's not the seer. So his only option is to name his packmate, which means if we lynched Hebelecan that we'd lynch his packmate.
Looking at the votes Hebelecan's anonymous buddy must be Split or Xeno, because the others who voted for Esemesas, and therefore to save Hebelecan, were: Hebelecan, Athalcor, and Najs. Najs is named, can't be him. Hebelecan can't be his own JL member. Athalcor clearly isn't a JL member. So it's Split or Xeno.
Split voted Athalcor... Xeno hasn't voted.
Split was aiming for a tie, but that's up to Xeno. However one cuts it Split or Xeno is Hebelecan's packmate or JL member. I think it's Xeno. I think he's seeing which way the wind blows before he commits to saving Hebelecan or cuts his losses and lets Hebelecan get lynched but leave us no leads. Xeno now has the power to cause a tie, or put Hebelecan into safety.
As of now I think this game is over. Votecount:
Hebelecan (3) - Vainglory, Athalcor, Enkhuush
Athalcor (4) - Hebelecan, Tai, The_Split, Eternaly_Lost
Tai will not swap, he's asleep (as I should be).
Hebelecan obviously won't kill himself.
If The Split switches we can't be sure he's not Hebelecan's packmate in which case he could snipe, break the tie, and potentially win the game if it is 5 to 3.
If Eternaly_Lost swaps then we can get Split's preferred tie, which I admit would get us 1 wolf and 1 villager, plus a hunt = either 3 to 2 or 3 to 1. I'll take that over handing the game over this round.
I hate to lose Athalcor because I know he's legit, but the tie is the best option right now. Please, Eternaly_Lost, go for the tie!
When I say added right there it doesnt have to be on 00 01 you know
I didnt think najs would believe me so I told my buddy to contact him and he was off at the time. If I die tonight the village loses, give me one more scan and we win.
I didnt think najs would believe me so I told my buddy to contact him and he was off at the time. If I die tonight the village loses, give me one more scan and we win.
How do you "know" athalcor is legit vain? Unless you are trying to keep secrets, which according to your own words is useless at this point, the only way I can think of that would let you know anything about ath is if you are his packmate.