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Like hunting the Seer based on the word of a cultist, randy?
You're talking about that leaderlynch, aren't you?
That wasn't exactly a leap of faith. It was and is my policy to not risk scanners early in the game if it's entirely avoidable.
This is different.
That having been said.. no. I *really* don't believe in the case against snoopdogg.
At all.
Unvote snoopdogg
Someone give me a count, please.
Dangerous philosophy. Especially with someone who only started trying to control the village once parity drew near.
Count:
Reis - Not enough (snoopdogg)
Not Reis - Too many.
Snoop - 2 hdk, Reis.
Yakman - 1 Ese
I think that's right.
Right, was leaderlynch, sorry. Still, the point is that faith is dangerous in WW. Especially blind faith.
It cuts both ways. Trusting someone can harm you, not trusting someone can harm you too. It requires wisdom to discern which is which.
Now, let's make a short list here:
randakar
snoopdogg
the_hdk
reis91
yakman
esemesas
vainglory
These are the players still alive. In order of my (current) personal suspicion level. Two wolves, one seer. Probably at least 2 JL members.
Now, here's the cases as far as I am aware of them.
randakar
- Voted rendap when king started running him up. Saved the_hdk, which can go both ways depending on that silly dutchman's identity. Did some JL work for a spokesperson that is now dead.
- snoopdogg
First person to vote rendap, suggesting him as a candidate just before King jumped on him. I *really* don't see why a wolf would do that. There were plenty of other people in the race at the time, why not stick to them, instead of suggesting a packmate?
- the_hdk
Has been campaigning against seen the wolf for a while. Voted seen on day 1, pushed for him on other days. Saved by randakar on the premise that two-villager ties are bad.
- reis
As far as I'm aware hasn't voted a single baddie this game. Seen, perhaps. But in that scenario, with two JL outed suspects, I really don't think we won't find at least one wolf on Seen.
However, I'm keeping him on my 'less suspicious' list for the simple reason that his PM's to me made it clear he believed me to be a seer doing a soft outing when I went after Boris the villager on day 1. Which is kinda an odd thing to do when you're a wolf and know that Boris is a villager ..
Nonetheless, this is reis. He has a penchant for smokescreens, so my trust in him could be wildly misplaced as well.
- yakman
Subbed in for Teep, who voted for seen, but then did nothing until he finally got replaced. He's behaving like a lunatic but it's Yakman, so who knows what the hell his role is. The seen vote implies that he's not a wolf or that he was attempting to sell out a packmate on day 1, which I find rather unlikely. Especially with 3 other candidates in the running
- esemesas
This guy is playing?
He's been so far under the radar that I have trouble remembering what he did so far. If he's done anything at all.
Can anyone tell?
- vainglory
I've made my case against him earlier. So far all he's done appears to have been protecting baddies. I don't think he's a bad candidate for lynching at all.
Pushed Rendap off a cliff immediately after subbing in. Ordinarily I'd happily go after him, but that alone goes a long way to me. If he is a wolf, it was either really cold blooded, or simply a mistake.
I agree about you and hdk being bad suspects leaving vain, yak, Reis as candidates for my #1 choice. Maybe if I'd been sent that PM I'd agree with you, idk. Share? I do tend to agree with running up Vain over Yak, especially as he's somehow avoided any pressure as far as I can tell, which is never good.
Right.
Yeah, I remember that.
So, fine. Let's not go after esemesas.
I'll look for that PM, I'll need to dig through archives to get it though, gimme a moment.
So, let's adjust my player list a bit:
vainglory
yakman
reis91
esemesas
the_hdk
snoopdogg
randakar
(this time, with the highest suspicion level first .. hmm yakman looks rather suspicious with esemesas taken down a notch, doesn't he? Though so does reis ..)
Now, here's the cases as far as I am aware of them.
randakar
- Voted rendap when king started running him up. Saved the_hdk, which can go both ways depending on that silly dutchman's identity. Did some JL work for a spokesperson that is now dead.
- snoopdogg
First person to vote rendap, suggesting him as a candidate just before King jumped on him. I *really* don't see why a wolf would do that. There were plenty of other people in the race at the time, why not stick to them, instead of suggesting a packmate?
- the_hdk
Has been campaigning against seen the wolf for a while. Voted seen on day 1, pushed for him on other days. Saved by randakar on the premise that two-villager ties are bad.
- esemesas
As far as I'm aware hasn't voted a single baddie this game. Seen, perhaps. But in that scenario, with two JL outed suspects, I really don't think we won't find at least one wolf on Seen.
However, I'm keeping him on my 'less suspicious' list for the simple reason that his PM's to me made it clear he believed me to be a seer doing a soft outing when I went after Boris the villager on day 1. Which is kinda an odd thing to do when you're a wolf and know that Boris is a villager ..
Nonetheless, this is reis. He has a penchant for smokescreens, so my trust in him could be wildly misplaced as well.
- yakman
Subbed in for Teep, who voted for seen, but then did nothing until he finally got replaced. He's behaving like a lunatic but it's Yakman, so who knows what the hell his role is. The seen vote implies that he's not a wolf or that he was attempting to sell out a packmate on day 1, which I find rather unlikely. Especially with 3 other candidates in the running
- vainglory
I've made my case against him earlier. So far all he's done appears to have been protecting baddies. I don't think he's a bad candidate for lynching at all.
vainglory
yakman
reis91
esemesas
the_hdk
snoopdogg
randakar
(this time, with the highest suspicion level first .. hmm yakman looks rather suspicious with esemesas taken down a notch, doesn't he? Though so does reis ..)
Now, here's the cases as far as I am aware of them.
randakar
- Voted rendap when king started running him up. Saved the_hdk, which can go both ways depending on that silly dutchman's identity. Did some JL work for a spokesperson that is now dead.
- snoopdogg
First person to vote rendap, suggesting him as a candidate just before King jumped on him. I *really* don't see why a wolf would do that. There were plenty of other people in the race at the time, why not stick to them, instead of suggesting a packmate?
- the_hdk
Has been campaigning against seen the wolf for a while. Voted seen on day 1, pushed for him on other days. Saved by randakar on the premise that two-villager ties are bad.
- esemesas
- reissnoopdogg said:
As far as I'm aware hasn't voted a single baddie this game. Seen, perhaps. But in that scenario, with two JL outed suspects, I really don't think we won't find at least one wolf on Seen.
However, I'm keeping him on my 'less suspicious' list for the simple reason that his PM's to me made it clear he believed me to be a seer doing a soft outing when I went after Boris the villager on day 1. Which is kinda an odd thing to do when you're a wolf and know that Boris is a villager ..
Nonetheless, this is reis. He has a penchant for smokescreens, so my trust in him could be wildly misplaced as well.
- yakman
Subbed in for Teep, who voted for seen, but then did nothing until he finally got replaced. He's behaving like a lunatic but it's Yakman, so who knows what the hell his role is. The seen vote implies that he's not a wolf or that he was attempting to sell out a packmate on day 1, which I find rather unlikely. Especially with 3 other candidates in the running
- vainglory
I've made my case against him earlier. So far all he's done appears to have been protecting baddies. I don't think he's a bad candidate for lynching at all.
He mentioned Najs, so that PM must have been day 1 no? Generally I weigh things higher the later they happen in the game. Some players could certainly go fishing like that regardless of role (me for instance). True for Reis? Not sure, but I lean towards yes. He's always seemed a 'hijinks ensue' player to me. I think ideally for me we'd run him against Vain right now, but it doesn't seem possible.
This is where we stand in the votes:
yakman v2 (2) - snoopdogg, esemesas
snoopdogg (2) - the_hdk, reis91
the_hdk (1) - Yakman v2
reis91 (1) - snoopdogg
Unvoted without revote: Randakar.
Yes, that's day 1.
And I can't say I blame you. Reis may very well be our man. Or A man, at least
But look at this count. The votes are all over the place..
yakman v2 (2) - snoopdogg, esemesas
snoopdogg (2) - the_hdk, reis91
the_hdk (1) - Yakman v2
reis91 (1) - snoopdogg
Unvoted without revote: Randakar.
Yes, that's day 1.
And I can't say I blame you. Reis may very well be our man. Or A man, at least
But look at this count. The votes are all over the place..
Day 2:
See what I mean by "protecting"?
Then again, Rendap got stuck voting vain all day on day 1 ..
ugh..
edit: Some more vainglory stuff, while I'm looking for what Seen has been up to on day 2.
Don't take this as an attack on Vain - it's just me trying to decide if vain really looks as guilty as I initially thought he did.
He names 4 targets. One of them is a wolf, but he goes after a villager.
Note that I would do pretty much the same thing if I was a wolf in his shoes - build a suspect list with a packmate or two thrown in, then go after the wrong one.
Two posts later. Not the most talkative personality here, but he knows what he's about.
edit3:
That's a lot of text for a wolf to use to defend a villager. Hrm.
See what I mean by "protecting"?
Then again, Rendap got stuck voting vain all day on day 1 ..
ugh..
edit: Some more vainglory stuff, while I'm looking for what Seen has been up to on day 2.
Don't take this as an attack on Vain - it's just me trying to decide if vain really looks as guilty as I initially thought he did.
He names 4 targets. One of them is a wolf, but he goes after a villager.
Note that I would do pretty much the same thing if I was a wolf in his shoes - build a suspect list with a packmate or two thrown in, then go after the wrong one.
seen seen seen. classic 3rd voter
Two posts later. Not the most talkative personality here, but he knows what he's about.
edit3:
That's a lot of text for a wolf to use to defend a villager. Hrm.
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Two wolves out of 7 people. We lynch a villager, 2 wolves in 5. So we still get one more night, even if we lynch a villager. What we cannot allow is for a wolf to Tie-Snipe their way into victory. However, Hdk did not propose a tie, and so we will have to make a choice.
I need booze to be talkative. guess what im drinking?
well its kinda hard so i'll tell ya. captain morgan spice gold. hell ya!!!
back to business. didn't vain vote yet? hmmm that worries me. I dont want any snipes. and i dont want to wake up early too
either one of the 3 yaky, snoopy or reisy is good. but I prefer snoopy. call it a hunch. whatever. I have it for 2nd day in a row. and my unconscious mind rarely lies to be (besides that one time, I shouldn't have kissed her....but ohh well)
well its kinda hard so i'll tell ya. captain morgan spice gold. hell ya!!!
back to business. didn't vain vote yet? hmmm that worries me. I dont want any snipes. and i dont want to wake up early too
either one of the 3 yaky, snoopy or reisy is good. but I prefer snoopy. call it a hunch. whatever. I have it for 2nd day in a row. and my unconscious mind rarely lies to be (besides that one time, I shouldn't have kissed her....but ohh well)
A bit more evidence that the_hdk at least isn't evil:
This is quite early in the day. The only count I can find after it is almost at the deadline, as follows:
This is quite early in the day. The only count I can find after it is almost at the deadline, as follows:
So I do.
I shouldn't do this when I feel this tired, but I need to make sense of this game or I'll go crazy.
Anyway - which of those two votes is the correct one?
Well, I did vote Seen before the outing, which can be explained by me being in the JL, or the JL wanting to get the wolves to hunt me instead of them (assuming that the premise that Seen was not scanned is true). And yes, it can be unwise to make assumptions on what I believe, Randy. It would also be unwise to share PM's that might lead to me getting killed. Oh, wait, you've done it. Great.
I am not familiar with Teep's playstyle, but with some players, it is not that unlikely.
Yes, suggesting a candidate. Good stuff for someone who wants to be able to point that out later as a reason not to lynch him, without being a hardcore sellout (the suggestion might very well not stick). Plus, it's something I recall Snoopdogg doing as a baddie.
Ah yes, the JL spokesperson. It would be a clever scheme if Randywolf were to hunt his own JL contact, shortening the cleared-villagers pool, and then wait for another JL guy to contact him, compromising more cleared villagers. The hunt on Kingepyon could be attributed to that, or perhaps due to being silent, but Kingepyon being hunted facilitated my analysis, so, for a wolf pack that did not know him JL, it is not the most likely of hunts.
More to follow.
I see nothing in there that 'might get you killed'.
Really, the "I voted Seen early" bit *is* relevant though. I forgot about that, but it *does* make the case in your defense stronger.
Teep? His playstyle is: Sign up, vote once on day 1, then disappear on us
Really? When did he do that, then?
Oh, it'd be smart. Even smarter would have been to hunt king the second he started going after rendap in earnest. And you can trust me on that one - I would *not* have let King see the light of day that day if I was a wolf, let alone for two full days.
(2) Snoopdogg - the_hdk (523, 526), reis91 (529),
(1) the_hdk - Yakman (519)
(1) Yakman - Esemesas (534)
(1) reis91 - Snoopdogg (524, 535)
Randakar (525, 537, 542 unvotes Snoop)
(1) the_hdk - Yakman (519)
(1) Yakman - Esemesas (534)
(1) reis91 - Snoopdogg (524, 535)
Randakar (525, 537, 542 unvotes Snoop)