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Oh, it'd be smart. Even smarter would have been to hunt king the second he started going after rendap in earnest. And you can trust me on that one - I would *not* have let King see the light of day that day if I was a wolf, let alone for two full days.
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Oh, but wouldn't a Seer with a JL be well protected against being ran up like that? Not everyone likes to play the Seer that gets 4+ votes everyday like I do. :)

Edit : Vainglory, would you be so kind as to put together all the votecounts you could find for the previous days?
 
(That does make me think we have a bunch of idiot wolves though .. meaning my case against vain isn't all that strong.)

Here we go, reis's early vote on Seen.

reis91 said:
unvote randakar
vote Seen

Was ran up on day 1, saved by the death of Najs. Good odds of being a wolf, and good odds of improving our odds to hit a wolf tomorrow. I like these kinds of odds.
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Down the suspect list he goes ..


reis91 said:
Oh, but wouldn't a Seer with a JL be well protected against being ran up like that? Not everyone likes to play the Seer that gets 4+ votes everyday like I do. :)

Edit : Vainglory, would you be so kind as to put together all the votecounts you could find for the previous days?
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Working on the edit.
I don't get why you're talking about lynchings though, a wolfpack need not resort to that at all ..
 
Vain, are you ******* serious? :laugh:

randakar said:
I don't get why you're talking about lynchings though, a wolfpack need not resort to that at all ..
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You're so wrong on this one.

(That does make me think we have a bunch of idiot wolves though .. meaning my case against vain isn't all that strong.)
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A matter of definition. :p
 
Night 0

Esemesas was hunted.

Day 1

(4) Najs - Enkhuush (141, 162), Reis91 (149, 159, 163), Falc (155, 176), Snoopdogg (187)

(3) Vainglory - Rendap (148), Johho888 (169), Randakar (145, 147)
(3) Randakar - Boris ze Spider (146), Najs (144, 158), Vainglory (142, 175)
(3) Seen - the_hdk (183), Yakman (184), Teep (189)

(1) Boris ze Spider - Kingepyon (177)

- Seen had a Day 0 vote for reis91
- Joebthegreat didn't vote and was subbed by Esemesas

Night 1

Enkhuush was hunted.

Day 2

(5) Rendap - Snoopdogg (226, 233), Kingepyon (239), Randakar (214, 231, 240), Johho888 (212, 242), Esemesas (248)

(4) Kingepyon - reis91 (207), Rendap (230), Boris ze Spider (235), Falc (211, 243)

(1) Yakman - Vainglory (204, 219)
(1) Falc - the_hdk (232)
(1) Boris ze Spider - Seen (228)
(1) Vainglory - Yakman (237)

- Teep didn't vote.

Night 2

Boris ze Spider was hunted.

Day 3

(5) Yakman - Johho (277), reis91 (293), Vainglory (300), Kingepyon (335), randakar (279, 371)

(3) Falc - Yakman (275), snoopdogg (307), the_hdk (331)
(3) the_hdk - Falc (299), Seen (303), esemesas (309, 333)

- Teep didn't vote

Night 3

Johho888 was hunted.

Day 4

(4) Falc - King (382, 470), Seen (472), Vain (412, 475, 491, 496, 498), the_hdk (404, 482)
(4) Seen - Reis (400, 413, 547), Randy (386, 466), Falc (394, 462, 473), Esemesas (412, 497)

(2) Reis - Snoop (442, 474 no unvote, vote for Seen), TeepYak (395, 443)

Night 4

Kingepyon was hunted.
 
Actually, I'm *not* going to post a renewed end-of-day count list. Too much work, and I'm too tired and therefore too likely to screw it up.

I *will* post a renewed suspect list though:

snoopdogg
vainglory
yakman
reis91
esemesas
the_hdk
randakar

Sorted by suspicion level.


Now, here's the cases as far as I am aware of them.

- snoopdogg
First person to vote rendap, suggesting him as a candidate just before King jumped on him. I *really* don't see why a wolf would do that. There were plenty of other people in the race at the time, why not stick to them, instead of suggesting a packmate?
However, there is a case to be made that that behaviour is exactly how snoopdogg's wolf MO looks.

- vainglory
Has been protecting Seen with argument on several occasions. Rendap voted him all day on day 1 though, putting him in the danger zone. He also protected falc at a time when making a villager look cleared seemed like an unnessecary thing for a wolfpack to do. That being said, he chose falc over seen later ..

- yakman
Subbed in for Teep, who voted for seen to almost dangerous level, but then did nothing until he finally got replaced. He's behaving like a lunatic but it's Yakman, so who knows what the hell his role is. The seen vote implies that he's not a wolf or that he was attempting to sell out a packmate on day 1, which I find rather unlikely. Especially with 3 other candidates in the running.

----> MARK <----

- reis
Voted seen right before it became fashionable to do so. Also, his PM's to me made it clear he believed me to be a seer doing a soft outing when I went after Boris the villager on day 1. Which is kinda an odd thing to do when you're a wolf and know that Boris is a villager ..
Nonetheless, this is reis. He has a penchant for smokescreens, so my trust in him could be wildly misplaced as well.

- esemesas
Snipe-voted rendap to death. It seems very unlikely for a wolf to do that when he could just have sniped the villager alternative.
Then again, it'd have been an ideal sellout ..

- the_hdk
Has been campaigning against seen the wolf for a while. Voted seen on day 1, pushed for him on other days. Seen voted the_hdk into a tie that almost killed him, but then got saved by randakar on the premise that two-villager ties are bad.

randakar
- Voted rendap when king started running him up. Saved the_hdk, which can go both ways depending on that silly dutchman's identity. Did some JL work for a spokesperson that is now dead.
However, I do trust the PM the GM send me containing my role, so I do not suspect myself of being a wolf.


The marker is where I feel the cutoff lies between good suspects and non-good suspects.
Funny, that. Snoop made it to the top of the list just by virtue of all the evidence I have on *other* people.
That, and the thing reis said about snoop's MO, that is ..
 
Back to snoop, then.

Vote snoopdogg

And now I'm off to bed.
 
randakar said:
Really? When did he do that, then?
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It's certainly something I could do with either role, I agree with that. At the time I wasn't too big on any frontrunners, I'd want to run up inactive players we have nothing on early in the game, and I don't want to change from that overly much when I'm varulv.
The fact that I could do that and still be a wolf, though, is a far cry from saying that the vote actually makes me more suspicious. Which I know is not true for me by a half.
 
snoopdogg said:
It's certainly something I could do with either role, I agree with that. At the time I wasn't too big on any frontrunners, I'd want to run up inactive players we have nothing on early in the game, and I don't want to change from that overly much when I'm varulv.
The fact that I could do that and still be a wolf, though, is a far cry from saying that the vote actually makes me more suspicious. Which I know is not true for me by a half.
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Your *real* problem is that every single person alive right now has either voted a wolf, or been voted by one. So your vote on rendap, based on which I had you as semi-cleared, doesn't really protect you anymore.
 
reis91 said:
So what? That is a BS reason. Let me see if I can find an example of Snoop doing that as a wolf...
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Couldn't find as good an example as I wanted, but it's something definitely in the realm of possibilities. Here, TNT and Snoop are packmates.

Official votecount : 00 hours 07 minutes remaining on the jump clock


Adamus (4) - Trinitrotoluen [493], Kingepyon [491,504], Ciryandor [509], AOK. 11 [499,512,517,520]
AOK. 11 (4) - Bagricula [492], Adamus [508], Eternaly_Lost [510], Vainglory [525]
Trinitrotoluen (3) - reis91 [500], snoopdogg [511], Jacob-lundgren [515]
Snoopdogg (1) - Boris ze spider [523]

Unvote without revote: Euroo7 [507,516]
Not voted: hebelecan, Steed

Missed one vote: Ciryandor, hebelecan, Bagricula, THE_SPLIT
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And yes, it is the famous game where I outed AOK the villager as a villager. And no, I don't take full blame for the village loss in that game.
 
randakar said:
Your *real* problem is that every single person alive right now has either voted a wolf, or been voted by one. So your vote on rendap, based on which I had you as semi-cleared, doesn't really protect you anymore.
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Fair enough. I could make the same case against Reis for instance wrt to the Seen vote, on top of everything else though. He's still #1.
 
randakar said:
- esemesas
Snipe-voted rendap to death. It seems very unlikely for a wolf to do that when he could just have sniped the villager alternative.
Then again, it'd have been an ideal sellout ..
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Good point. How come esemesas did not get hunted after that? Yes, there might not be wolves online, and they were careless enough not to put in a standing order for any vote snipers. But still, in that case, he would get hunted the night after. Yes, it would have been a brutal sell out, one which I'm not sure esemesas would do. Still, he deserves to be suspected just because he was not hunted.

@Snoop : You still haven't mentioned in concrete that "anything else".

@ Vainglory : Thanks. Sorry to nag, but it should be (447) in my vote for Seen. Just in case anyone wonders.
 
snoopdogg said:
Fair enough. I could make the same case against Reis for instance wrt to the Seen vote, on top of everything else though. He's still #1.
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Why do you think this game has been driving me nuts? Because I have no good gut-feeling choices that match analysis, that's why.
You're just the best I have. If you're a villager, I really, truly, deeply apologise.
 
So what exactly is the case against Snoopdogg? That previously he's alibied on packmates?

Meanwhile TeepYak we've got precious little information on, and what we do know is that he didn't vote Seen. Snoopdogg either tried to make a show that he was voting Seen, or he tried to vote Seen.
 
reis91 said:
@Snoop : You still haven't mentioned in concrete that "anything else".
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I have in fact. You've gone after Kinge, Yak 1, and Randy. 2 are dead and known villagers, Randy is the most cleared person in my head (sorry for making you a target, Randy, but you already were one imo :p). You did vote Seen at one point, but weren't really pushing it (maybe I'm wrong about this,), and you targeted me only after I targeted you. And for some reason, you haven't had pressure on you yet.
 
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