A little bird told me that there are in fact 2 normal seers and 6 wolves in. So using that logic
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Because he is number 6
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Because he is number 6
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I disagree. There are no logical flaws with this setup (16 players and one blank) compared with the standard 17 players. Although I admit that it will possibly detract from the atmosphere of the game, which is important also.
I contend that the new variation is exactly the same in practice.
No.
The empty (17th) spot is nothing more or less than the role which the wolves would've hunted on night 1.
It is safe to assume the wolves would never hunt one of their own. Even if in one game they do accidentally, that is not a desirable possibility. In fact if I was GM and a wolf sent in a hunt order on a fellow wolf I would order them to reverse it.
Please explain your assertion that you need to have a possibility of a wolf in the empty spot. I see no reason.
Therefore a seer or a villager role is killed, just like the traditional, the only exception being that player holds that role. However, this is irrelevant as that player could not have contributed anything to the game. Therefore, in practice, this is exactly the same as a standard Lite.
I believe the traditional setup is as perfectly balanced as we are going to get with Lite; this variation is the exact same barring one superficial difference.
Eh, where did you get this info from?
EDIT: Okay I see where you get there are two seers. But why should there be more wolves? Is that standard for a two-seer game?
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I think that it is too soon, but...
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Because he isn´t a true Hello Kitty fan
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4 is death.
4 - 1 = 3
Randakar is voter no 3.
Has green in avatar.
Green is blue.
therefore he is evil.
4 is death.
4 - 1 = 3
Randakar is voter no 3.
Has green in avatar.
Green is blue.
therefore he is evil.
I once got turned on the same night as being cleared by seer and priest. Had great fun totally dictating the village until a rival wolf pack hunted me for no reason
(I happened to be the Seer)Edit : Shamvote Suirantes
After having slept on it, I'm now quite certain that this game's particular setup is extremely unbalanced and quite likely broken. Since I'm not joeb, you all get a few hours to convince me (through PM or public discussion) that it isn't...
Hell no. The only thing I changed in that setup is the amount of seers and how often they scan.
Really, now?
How so?
There are five seers, one wolf, and all seers scan simultaneously! Amirite?
If I was the wolf (which is a purely hypothetical scenario), I would still eat the village. Try harder.
Well of course you would, the wolf has a machine-gun and can kill the entire village with one hunt.
Too crude... the wolf would have persuaded the entire village to commit mass suicide, instead.
You're pretty close, actually...
I shall quote the GM's PM (and it's even allowed per the rules):
tamius23 said:
I am a seer for wolf B.
I advise all other 7 seers to reveal themselves in public and to indicate which wolf they scan for.
This will create an 8-man public JL against 4 wolves...
Because we all know who the other seers are, we can not only coordinate our scans but we also halve our possible targets.
Combine that with the overwhelming voting weight we'd have and we have a simple strategy for victory: lynch two people each day, organise our scans. Game won for the good guys in 4 days, MAXIMUM. The wolves simply don't have the time to hunt us all.
You might say: "Ah, but a smart wolf will claim to be a seer and ruin your scheme!"
Well, not really.
Because we KNOW that there's two seers per wolf, any wolf falsely claiming to be a seer will need to pick a target wolf for himself. This gives a very simple result: if there's three people claiming to be seers for wolf B, we KNOW there's one wolf in those three. Smart scanning will resolve that in a day or two.
As for a half-way approach where some wolves come forward, that doesn't actually help. All the seers need to do is to organise themselves, use their lynches to take out the wolves among the villagers and their scans to find those hiding amongst the seers.
So, I'm sorry, but by putting their cards on the table, the seers put the wolves in a very, very bad position. Maybe it's not a guaranteed victory, but the odds are soooo much better than if we keep quiet that it'd be moronic not to.