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The Resistance - Game 3- The Revenge...and Time Travel

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Falc said:
We'll see as we continue playing, won't we?

I remain convinced that from a purely logical point of view, sending one Spy is the approach with the least amount of risks.
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Highly circumstantial, especially when the Resistance tries to use that to get information on the spies. The only logical course of action then becomes for the spies to break that assumption.


Falc said:
I think that such a situation could only come about if the rest of the players allow it to, in which case, shame on them and they deserve their loss.

If you send near-identical teams on missions 1, 2 and 3 without many other proposals, then yeah, you end up starting round 4 without enough information if suddenly one of them turnded out to be a spy.
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But that is sort of what you can expect. Mission one succeeds, mission two succeeds, so why not send the same team again the third time around if it stands to reason it might win the resistance the game?

Besides, you could have this exact same situation but with a completely different team on mission one succeeding. In which case people will probably assume there was a spy in the first mission team who was playing it low, but still trust the second mission team because, hey, the second mission was so much more important ;-)

Falc said:
Good resistance play requires gathering as much possible information about everyone in the game as quickly as possible.

Without information, logic and statistics don't work anyway :happy:
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Well, no disagreement from me there. Really.
 
It's been more than half a day, so here's the answer.

In leadership order:

Xarkan

Cymsdale

marty99
 
Bleh, at least this will give free up today to actually start revising.

Tamius, citizen, well played. The two of you somehow managed to convince me you were the least likely spies in the game. Although you were slightly lucky to get both no-confidence cards, I think that only served to hasten an inevitable win.

...Unless one of the spies was Xarkan with one of tamius/citizen. But I don't see how that could be possible.

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OH FOR GOD'S SAKE CLIGES!!!! :rofl:
 
marty99 said:
Bleh, at least this will give free up today to actually start revising.

Tamius, citizen, well played. The two of you somehow managed to convince me you were the least likely spies in the game. Although you were slightly lucky to get both no-confidence cards, I think that only served to hasten an inevitable win.

...Unless one of the spies was Xarkan with one of tamius/citizen. But I don't see how that could be possible.

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OH FOR GOD'S SAKE CLIGES!!!! :rofl:
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It's been spoiler-tagified. And eventually, within the next couple hours, I'll consider the secret out.

EDIT: after 17:30 GMT, the discussion of the matter in the open should be fine. Hence, anyone who wants to continue speculation and the like should refrain from reading any posts after this one.
 
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randakar said:


As an unrelated note, one thing that amazed me for a long time in this game is how various people were assuming spies weren't going to propose teams with more than 1 spy on it while doing that is *exceedingly easy*, *entirely risk-free* and *talked about at length* in previous games.
Guys, proposing a two-spy team as a spy is really not that hard. *especially* at the start of the game.
Just yourself and one other spy, you make sure you support the mission, and the other spy can do whatever the hell he likes. Either outcome would suit you just fine.
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Exactly.

My motives may not have been pure, but everything I said (okay, not everything, at times I totally made stuff up as I went along) I meant. The assumptions tamius and Falc especially used are so easily manipulated. I've mentioned myself why a spy can easily propose a two-spy team, for the same reasons you gave.
Xarkan's proposing a team of himself and Cymsdale wasn't necessarily the best move. But because of the way the resistance assumed they thus couldn't both be spies, in hindsight it was a masterstroke.
 
Em, that still wasn't a crovax. There hasn't been a real crovax for 8 years.
I don't see how me being a spy makes it more likely I'd confuse the two, I still knew I was a baddie, I just didn't read the rules too closely. I thought resistance was the name of the baddies (like in werewolf) and I still had that idea in my head even when I got the pm. I would have mixed the two up no matter what role I had.
 
Citizen1oo1 said:
So you did crovax after all. I knew it, then nobody believed me. Well anyway, I think that if you just say that the spy with the highest leadership always sabotages, there is no problem anymore. Just agree on that, or something like it and there is no problem of too many sabotages in one mission.
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I heartily approve of this, it'll make finding Spies much easier.
 
Falc said:
I heartily approve of this, it'll make finding Spies much easier.
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Note: Next time I am a spy and I am in a team with another spy, the spy lower down the leadership will sabotage.

You still haven't got it? Your assumptions failed. Not all of them perhaps, but the way you and tamius structured your analyses, all it took was for one assumption to be wrong, and your entire logical framework was in ruins.
 
I messed up on sending the original roles by not adding citizen1oo1 as BCC, so I had to reassign all roles. Unusually enough, they were exactly the same with one exception: Xarkan was Resistance and jpr123 was a spy in the initial set-up, and flipped roles in the second (and final) incarnation. But for those two, everyone got the same role twice.
 
marty99 said:
Exactly.

My motives may not have been pure, but everything I said (okay, not everything, at times I totally made stuff up as I went along) I meant. The assumptions tamius and Falc especially used are so easily manipulated. I've mentioned myself why a spy can easily propose a two-spy team, for the same reasons you gave.
Xarkan's proposing a team of himself and Cymsdale wasn't necessarily the best move. But because of the way the resistance assumed they thus couldn't both be spies, in hindsight it was a masterstroke.
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I always had the Xarkan - Cymsdale assumption as the least likely one, but Xarkan had me when he announced Cymsdale was a spy. I couldn't believe that they could both be spies. I did some offline analysis after mission 4 failed and came up with Xarkan - Citizen - Marty the spies.

I had my suspicions on you, marty, when you looked at my analysis, assumed I was trying to frame you, and refused to put jpr on the team (then ignored me when I pointed out it was impossible for the team to fail because of him). Perhaps, in hindsight, I should have used the no confidence card.

I never mentioned that I couldn't make head or tail of Falc's analysis, since I was certain he was a spy. That post he made with the take risks things bolded just looked to me like instuctions to spy teammates.
 
jpr123 said:
You sure? I remember both messages I got telling me I was resistance. Deleted them now so can't actually check.
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Oh, yes, you're right- it was Xarkan and someone else with roles reversed, but I can't remember which one.
 
No, the roles had been changed before that. Xarkan hadn't noticed the change, though.
 
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