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[Thure]

and that "We are the World" thing where you create your own fantasy leader, c'mon that's an eye candy to keep forumers busy, while DD's and real infos aren't provided to who will eventually buy this game.

You can suggest historical leaders too. And you can suggest changes of the actuall leaders. No it's not just an eye candy. It's a way for the devs to fill the minister lists with help of the people who know a lot of this topic. It's a important part of the development of the game... Beside you only want historical correct leaders at the exactly correct dates. I love We are the World because it's a way to help the devs at this topic. It's not easy for a small team to find informations about alternate historical leaders in every part of the world.

I don't think the game will be never released. It will be, because it is at a high stage in development, how you can see in the stream. And a delay? They can't delay it, because they don't give a release date. They just give a intended aim.

 

[Tightwad]

Although quite frankly EvW looked from the first moment as better suited as an expansion pack to HoI 3 than its own game, the whole "We are the World" project surprised me thoroughly.

One would think that for a game that hardly brings many new features to the table, they'd at least try to maintain some legitimacy in regards to historical people, rather than pop up fantasy leaders. At the very least, the historical leaders added should survive for a sensible amount of time, rather than insta-die around the time the historical coup d'etat against them happenned (regardless of what occurs in-game).

 

[Augustus93]

Funny how long it takes to announce the winners as well. it has been two weeks since the second round ended. compare that to the one-two days it took to announce the first round winners...

 

[Thure]

Although quite frankly EvW looked from the first moment as better suited as an expansion pack to HoI 3 than its own game, the whole "We are the World" project surprised me thoroughly.

One would think that for a game that hardly brings many new features to the table, they'd at least try to maintain some legitimacy in regards to historical people, rather than pop up fantasy leaders. At the very least, the historical leaders added should survive for a sensible amount of time, rather than insta-die around the time the historical coup d'etat against them happenned (regardless of what occurs in-game).

An expansion for HoI3? Please no! NO! NO! That would be stuped. The games have completly different goals. The game looks like HoI3 but the devs clearly said, it's a different game. A Cold War expansion for a World War game would just be stuped. It wouldn't work well.

And you can suggest historical rulers in We are the World. The devs maked it clair, that they changed it, if you suggest it.

Funny how long it takes to announce the winners as well. it has been two weeks since the second round ended. compare that to the one-two days it took to announce the first round winners...

It's not like they have to discuse about it... And everyone had the same opinion. If you would be a jury somewhere you would know, that's not that easy.

 

[Carbon]

I agree that there should be some info, however small. Even a few screenshots is good. As someone else said, it'd just be to see how the development is going. I am patient enough to wait until release day, but the complete lack of any news at all slightly worries me.

I was very hyped about this game a couple of months back, but now I have lost some interest because of the above reasons. I wanted to see EvW even more than EUIV, but now things have changed.

 

[Augustus93]

It's not like they have to discuse about it... And everyone had the same opinion. If you would be a jury somewhere you would know, that's not that easy.

This does not hold because in the first round there were more ministers added, hence it should have taken longer time to decide who the winner was and it obviously didn't. Like I said compare 1-2 days for the first round and 2 weeks and still we haven't seen the winners of the second round.

 

[Il Moro]

This does not hold because in the first round there were more ministers added, hence it should have taken longer time to decide who the winner was and it obviously didn't. Like I said compare 1-2 days for the first round and 2 weeks and still we haven't seen the winners of the second round.

Nor we had seen the famous DD of choice by the winner, where is it???

 

[Il Moro]

You can suggest historical leaders too. And you can suggest changes of the actuall leaders. No it's not just an eye candy. It's a way for the devs to fill the minister lists with help of the people who know a lot of this topic. It's a important part of the development of the game... Beside you only want historical correct leaders at the exactly correct dates. I love We are the World because it's a way to help the devs at this topic. It's not easy for a small team to find informations about alternate historical leaders in every part of the world.

I don't think the game will be never released. It will be, because it is at a high stage in development, how you can see in the stream. And a delay? They can't delay it, because they don't give a release date. They just give a intended aim.

You have missed the point, the "We are the World" is truly an eye candy, it was created to keep forumers busy with something to do, so that they don't ask for new DD's or informations

Don't you remember that the thread was out for months without an explanation from devs on what it's purpouse was? Only after a while, when forumers begin to say that it was a "troll thread", the devs cared to explain to the community what that thread was about.

About the delay, they have already delayed the game, the first release was scheduled for Q2 2013 if I recall correctly, then it was delayed.

 

[Augustus93]

You have missed the point, the "We are the World" is truly an eye candy, it was created to keep forumers busy with something to do, so that they don't ask for new DD's or informations

Don't you remember that the thread was out for months without an explanation from devs on what it's purpouse was? Only after a while, when forumers begin to say that it was a "troll thread", the devs cared to explain to the community what that thread was about.

About the delay, they have already delayed the game, the first release was scheduled for Q2 2013 if I recall correctly, then it was delayed.

yep many people including me hoped for a summer release or at least early fall release, we got a Q1 2014 delay which I remember that they said that it was not good for business to release before Christmas, just wondering how good for business it is to ignore and punish customers waiting for the game and a bit of information in the form of DD:s.

 

[Sarius1997]

Don't you remember that the thread was out for months without an explanation from devs on what it's purpouse was? Only after a while, when forumers begin to say that it was a "troll thread", the devs cared to explain to the community what that thread was about.

It wasn´t even this soon that we got information. At first we were calling it a troll thread for 2 omnths, then it was closed by the mods for a month, and only after this time we got information

 

[Augustus93]

mods closed the thread in East vs West forums! surprised? no...

 

[Castellon]

Hi Guys I know it can be frustrating to wait on information you desperately want.

First I have to point out that you should not direct any hate or name calling to the Moderators.
Moderators take action based on the direction I give them, so any hate should be directed my way and not to them. Insults to staff will not be tolerated, if you absolutely need to use expletives and name call, then put it in a PM with my name on it.
Now to the issue of not allowing threads/posts on demands for a new DD. What purpose would be served in allowing 30 different threads like this one a day. The exact same posts by the same people. We already get that you want some DDs and we already get that you would like them right now, thus the whole reason for the ban on the topic (that the point was already made).

As to the issue of when new DDs will be released, that is not my purview, it is up to marketing, these guys and gals are the experts and experiance has shown them the best time and pacing to release this kind of info (your arm chair marketing advice while I am sure makes perfect sense to you, will probably not sway them, just being honest). The dates can also be dynamic due to being dependant on the aproval of certain milestones in the development process and release slots.

Some members stated that no reason has been given, but reasons have been given, you may not agree with those reasons, but they have been given. Also above it was complained that other releases had received more DDs than this game, including DLC releases. Well that is natural, this game has not been released yet and those have. I cannot tell you how many DDs this game will ultimately receive but at least compare apples to apples.

Summary:
A) Don't blame the Moderators.
B) We hear you.
C) We understand you want more information and you want it now.
D) These things happen on a dynamic schedule and we do not want to tell you one thing and not be able to deliver on the promise.

 

[sgt.stickybomb]

@ Castellon

Look at the bright side, reading posts by anxious members means there is interest in the game, would you have that as opposed to absolute silence and indifference to it.
my point is that all these threads are a good thing.

 

[Thure]

You have missed the point, the "We are the World" is truly an eye candy, it was created to keep forumers busy with something to do, so that they don't ask for new DD's or informations

Don't you remember that the thread was out for months without an explanation from devs on what it's purpouse was? Only after a while, when forumers begin to say that it was a "troll thread", the devs cared to explain to the community what that thread was about.

About the delay, they have already delayed the game, the first release was scheduled for Q2 2013 if I recall correctly, then it was delayed.

Okay... I never suggest any ministers anymore in we are the world. I hope you are happy to be forced to play everytime with the same historical correct rulers.

What's the problem with this concept? Eventually it's an eyecandy... But at the same time it can be a great concept to found and add plausible ahistorical nonfictional leaders.

And I know they have already delayed the game. But the don't give a new release date. And without a clear release date they can't delay it They just have a goal but no release date. They learnt from there mistake. You have to remember this is just there second game.

 

[Castellon]

@ Castellon

Look at the bright side, reading posts by anxious members means there is interest in the game, would you have that as opposed to absolute silence and indifference to it.
my point is that all these threads are a good thing.

An occasional one, which is why I have allowed this thread. One thing members here tend to forget is that at any given time there are 3 times as many non-members reading the forums as members. When these people go to a sub forum and every thread is on the same topic which is unrelated to the actual subject matter (ie an administrative issue about the release schedule of new information) it tends to turn them off quickly. One of the reasons we in general do not allow discussion on staff actions as well, the casual user just does not care and does not want the info they came to find clutter with discussion of it.

 

[Augustus93]

Some members stated that no reason has been given, but reasons have been given, you may not agree with those reasons, but they have been given. Also above it was complained that other releases had received more DDs than this game, including DLC releases. Well that is natural, this game has not been released yet and those have. I cannot tell you how many DDs this game will ultimately receive but at least compare apples to apples.

when these titles received their DDs they weren't released either. I also remember some post from a developer of east vs west around February/March when our biggest concern was that we received 1 DD per month that the pace of DDs would increase, well the pace has instead decreased. we weren't happy with that EvW did not receive much love and of the delay but the reason that it would take away "marketing power" from EU4 was acknowledged, but now EU4 has been released and the next big game is going to be EvW so it should be time to release some DDs (especially since the first round of "we are the world" campaign has finished long time ago)

 

[Cybvep]

your arm chair marketing advice while I am sure makes perfect sense to you, will probably not sway them, just being honest

Well, it's hardly surprising that in the forum that is full of armchair generals, everybody believes that their marketing strategy is perfect, too .

 

[Goodfortune99]

Please give Paradox and BL-Logic time. They are developing probably the most amazing paradox came yet. Ranting and bypassing the ban on discussing the topic wont help. I do believe that the devs know how much we anticipate the release, and i am very sure they something planned on us. Meanwhile, people who rant on the forums could go discuss and contribute on the we are world forum and help take the game to the direction they want.

I am sorry if my English was bad, i just hope that people understood me.

 

[Sarius1997]

Hi Guys I know it can be frustrating to wait on information you desperately want.

Yes, it can be...

First I have to point out that you should not direct any hate or name calling to the Moderators.

I think noone did it here...

Moderators take action based on the direction I give them, so any hate should be directed my way and not to them. Insults to staff will not be tolerated, if you absolutely need to use expletives and name call, then put it in a PM with my name on it.

I think we all know this. The mods are (usually) doing a great job, and i think i rarely saw (and never used them myself) any name-calling or expletives. But maybe i´m just watching this forum not close enough.

We already get that you want some DDs

I am rather sure that you don´t. But who am i to call you a liar?

As to the issue of when new DDs will be released, that is not my purview, it is up to marketing,

Which was why i was hoping to get a comment from someone who actually knows about the things we want to know. (No offense to you)

your arm chair marketing advice while I am sure makes perfect sense to you, will probably not sway them, just being honest

Yeah, we are not taking any offense on this. It just´d be nice if we could get actual information by someone with knowledge and authority on this case (as i said, no offense to you)

The dates can also be dynamic due to being dependant on the aproval of certain milestones in the development process and release slots.

No problem with this.

Some members stated that no reason has been given, but reasons have been given

Would you be nice enough to tell me them again? My memory has become so bad over the last year... And i´m not talking about the delay of the release, i want the reasons for so less information

Also above it was complained that other releases had received more DDs than this game, including DLC releases. Well that is natural, this game has not been released yet and those have. I cannot tell you how many DDs this game will ultimately receive but at least compare apples to apples.

OK, you want to compare something? OK, let´s compare EUIV with EvW. EUIV got in the 1 year between its announcment and the release 44 DDs.(And it had 6 months before its release, already 19) EvW got in the first year after its annoncement(and 6 months away from its release) 7 DDs.

A) Don't blame the Moderators.

We don´t

B) We hear you.

That´s very good to know, we didn´t recieve any evidence for it until now

C) We understand you want more information and you want it now.

That´s very good

D) These things happen on a dynamic schedule and we do not want to tell you one thing and not be able to deliver on the promise.

DDs happen on a dynamic shedule?

 

[Il Moro]

D) These things happen on a dynamic schedule and we do not want to tell you one thing and not be able to deliver on the promise.

I think that, related to the DD's, nobody will throw at you flaming torch or missiles if you release a DD about ie. diplomacy (or others game mechanic) explaining that there is a button to make peace with aliens and at the game release there isn't that specific button, who cares of a button, the important thing is how the diplomacy game mechanic work in the whole, to give us an idea of what we can do.

A very, very bad marketing recent example is Rome 2 Total War, they had released a product that isn't graphically and technically the same as they described on you-tube, frankly speaking that game is a fraud, sorry for who had bought it.

Also above it was complained that other releases had received more DDs than this game, including DLC releases. Well that is natural, this game has not been released yet and those have.

Normally DD's are released before the game is ready, not after, EU4 had 44 Developers Diaries, are you saying that EU4 DD's were all done after the game was released? No, they weren't, no one of them was written after release.

Same goes for DD's about DLC, The Old Gods DD's for CK2 were released after the DLC was ready? No, they weren't too.