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* CKII: Charlemagne Developer Diaries will be released weekly on Wednesdays from now on up to release! *

Welcome to the Charlemagne dev diaries - and above all, welcome to the 8th century!

I'm Tobias Bodlund, scripter on the Crusader Kings II team, and in this first installment of the dev diaries for CKII: Charlemagne I will be talking about the new 769 start date and how we've chosen to represent that historical period in the game.

We've added a bunch of new cultures to the game. A few of these could arguably have been present in The Old Gods already, but going back to 769 we felt we really needed to shake up the map to properly represent the changing cultural landscape of the Early Middle Ages.

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In Spain we have the Visigoths, and they are in the Iberian rather than the Germanic group, since the Gothic migrations are long since over and they have been living in the peninsula since the early 6th century. With time, Visigothic provinces are likely to eventually become Castilian, Catalan or Andalusian depending on location and which other religious and cultural influences they are subjected to. In northwestern Iberia we also still have the Suebi, an old Germanic people. They have their own culture shift events which may see the rise of Portuguese culture.

Looking north, we have the Franks. They are still Germanic but becoming more and more latinized. You will see them slowly turning into something we call "French"...

Other new cultures you will find are Saxons, Lombards, Picts and Somali. Also, there are no Russians yet, but instead various East Slavic peoples such as the Ilmenians, Severians and Volhynians.

We've revisited cultural dynamics in some other places as well. For example, the emergence of Norman culture is now somewhat more likely than before.

Regarding religion, the old Norse religion in the game is now referred to as Germanic. We decided to do this because with the earlier start date this religion exists well beyond Norse lands (specifically, the Saxons), and the old name also sometimes caused players to confuse it with Norse culture.

Moving further south, the Ibadi faith is now its own religion and no longer a Sunni heresy.

We've also added a new pagan religion, available only in the Charlemagne start. They are the followers of the sun-god Zun, which was historically the Zunbil dynasty in Afghanistan. They start out surrounded by Muslims and Buddhists, and this should provide an interesting and possibly quite difficult start, comparable to the Jewish starts.

And where are the Jews in 769, you ask now - you will find them in Semien in Ethiopia (sometimes referred to as Beta Israel).

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Oh, speaking of the Norse, yes... with the new start date the Viking Age hasn't begun yet. This means that the Norse will initially not be able to launch Viking expeditions overseas. This will change the early game for them as they'll need to focus more on local affairs initially. Don't worry, though, a few decades in things will start happening for them and the continent will properly learn to fear the wrath of the Northmen.

Finally, let's look at some of the large empires in the 8th century:

In 769, the Byzantine Empire is embroiled in what historians call the "First Iconoclasm". This basically means that the emperor and patriarch (and most of the elite) follow the Iconoclast faith, where religious icons are condemned as idolatry much like in Islam. There is a choice for the emperor to either stick with Iconoclasm or renounce it (via a special decision).

Meanwhile, the Abbasids are the great blob of the 8th century. During this time, they historically ruled an area from the Indus in the east to the Maghreb in the west. Though "rule" is perhaps a misleading word in some cases. To reflect the fact that in reality they had limited control over many of their nominal vassals, we have made some of these areas independent in the game. But the Caliph still has plenty of de jure CBs and claims on those areas, so beware...

In Spain, Umayyad rule is fairly recently established, so you have an Arab Muslim dynasty ruling over mainly Visigothic Christian subjects.

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Then there is the Frankish Empire. After Pepin died, his sons Charlemagne and Carloman inherited a kind of joint kingship over the Franks, with each of them ruling directly over a portion of the kingdom. In the game, this means the two brothers each have a king title but also a claim on the other's title. With powerful neighbors such as the Lombards, the Umayyads and the pagan Saxons, things may get very interesting here.

As you can see, the world in 769 is quite different from later starts, with many period-defining events still to unfold. Things such as the Holy Roman Empire (yes, you can found it), Vikings, Normans and Russians are still unheard of. There aren't even that many Karlings yet (!).

The 8th century is a strange and wonderful place. We hope that you'll enjoy it.
 
Okay, that is a bit too late, (like, the only pagans in 867 should be some Narentines and the Grand Principality of Serbia) but in 769 - most, if not all, of the Balkans north of Solun should be pagan.

But what pagan? Tengri is already a huge monster, it will always reform then.
 
Nice to see a DD at least, even if it is a bit lackluster (as other already pointed out), but that's to be expected from the first DD anyways. Some questions however:

- What culture group will the Suebi be in? Having them in the Germanic culture group seems a bit mighty odd.
- Are there going to be any other "anti-blobbing mechanics" then the already mentioned vassal limit?
- Could you tell us the exact requirements for the formation of the Catalan culture? I guess it should nee Visigothic people ruled over by Occitans, but that seems to be a bit too specific that the AI will reliably fulfill this condition.
- Any changes made to the Germanic religion depending on culture (would really like to see some of the old "Norse" stuff be restricted to culture)?
 
But what pagan? Tengri is already a huge monster, it will always reform then.
That's really down to the absurd Tribal Invasion CB and the fact that Tengri HS placement is crap. :p
I mean, an ideal spot for a Tengri HS would be somewhere in western Bulgaria to represent Mount Tengri, today Musala:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musala
 
... Also I do hope that you would make a way to quickly set the message settings for a whole category at once in this DLC, because I keep wondering why I have to change them all separately after every update (that makes that they all revert to the default setting)

One thing learned long ago is to save a copy of your settings before the update, then copy paste them over the updated file once the dlc goes live. It saves a lot of time.
 
According to De Administrando Imperio South Slavs were mostly converted to Christianity soon after arrival of Croats and Serbs in the first half of 7th century, at least the ruling elite was. Exception are the Narentines. Full conversion came later but Christianity was certainly present.
 
They specifically said the Caliphate lost territories it should historically own for gameplay purposes...

Must've missed that part then...

... But that's still dumb. It's not going to change anything; the Byzantines and the Abbasids are both going to conquer it and then they're going to kill each other as usual.
 
Must've missed that part then...

... But that's still dumb. It's not going to change anything; the Byzantines and the Abbasids are both going to conquer it and then they're going to kill each other as usual.

That was already the case in 867. I guess it will keep that Abassids busy expanding in "its own territory" (lol) for a little while.

Gamey but it's the middle east was never the focus of the Old Gods or Charlemagne so gotta make something to not break the "important" regions.
 
Must've missed that part then...

... But that's still dumb. It's not going to change anything; the Byzantines and the Abbasids are both going to conquer it and then they're going to kill each other as usual.

It not being Abbasid at the beginning is huge - a populated mountainous region independent of either on the border of both allows a lot of different outcomes to be possible. If it was Abbasid, they would soon be driving hard into Anatolia from Persia with more strength then they had in reality.
 
It not being Abbasid at the beginning is huge - a populated mountainous region independent of either on the border of both allows a lot of different outcomes to be possible. If it was Abbasid, they would soon be driving hard into Anatolia from Persia with more strength then they had in reality.

A shame it was never a problem for the HRE or even the ERE.
 
I think the only good thing about the Abbasid's is just wait for that decadence revolt, nearly if not all ducal provinces jump ship, and especially with that centralisation law, we're going to see that big green Sunni blob only get so far.

Of course not.

As much as I'd like to see Carantanians, its not happening.

How easy would that be to mod in?
 
Lol ok, bordeaux IS NOT basque culture. Please correct
Why? The area is part of Gascony, which was during this time period more or less settled by peoples more closely related culturally to the Basques. Making it "Occitan" wouldn't be accurate.