Slovak culture! Nice. Will it be a new tag as well?
It seems to be in wrong culture group tho - should be in West Slavic.
Gameplay reasons, if it's in west slavic then hungary will make it hungarian within less than a century of the start of the game.
Why is slovak culture in different culture group to polish and czech?
Game play reasons, so that hngary does not culture convert it, we had this discussion when breton went into the french culturegroup too.
Russian culture is divided between Muscovite, Novgorodian and Ryazanian. I have mixed feelings about this (was there really enough differences between people of Novgorod and muscovites to justify separate cultures? I don't know.). But it's great that you finally divided scottish culture between lowlands (english group) and highlands (celtic group).
Probably not but it's gameplay reasons, russian was such a massive culture block.
Czech language and culture is slavic. They have german words but the way the grammar works and everything they are slavs. I don't know why everybody gets it so confused.
We are well aware but they were part of the HRE and thus should be part of the cultural union of the HRE if it's formed. Also there were heavy german influences in bohemia at the time.
Half of Finland is not Swedish culture any more! And looks like the provinces have been changed as well. Looks good!
About time.
Population Mechanic?
EDIT: No, probably not..
I wish.
Welsh is in the same group as English? Glyndwr would be turning in his grave...
Well it's that or them getting culture converted to english outright. Not that it would be exactly ahistorical.
Total nonsence. Czech and Slovak are both west slavic ,though there was an unsuccessful atempt to germanize bohemian kingdom and hungarize slovak minority ,nowadays people of both czech and slovak republic can communicate by using their own language with each other . There is even a theory that czech and slovak are 2 branches of the same language. If you would tell me face to face that czech is german language or slovaks are hungarian , in czech republic I would take that as an insult.
Who said anythign about language we're talkign in game cultures and yes for balance reasons czech should be in the german group. Polish should be with lithuanian and there should be no west slavic group.
Will Celtic group be renamed to Gaelic?
I like this idea.
Remember languge =/= culture. The Slovaks were culturally more close to Hungarians, then Czechs, even thought they had almost same language.
There is also gameplay reason to have Slovaks in Hungarian group - Hungarians are no longer alone! Yay!
Not the reason, it's so that hungary won't culture convert the slovak culture out of existance.
Sure, there was no Slovakian state at all in the EU4 period, just the people. Highlanders mostly ruled by Hungarian Nobles. But those people are so much West Slavic as it could be
So? there are plenty of anachronistic tags in EU4. As for west slavic, that culturegroup is really not very usefull since the west slavs all got teamed up with someone else, the czech with the german HRE, the poles with the lithuanians and the slovaks under the yoke of hungary.
Nonsence.There give me examples.We have a lot of same habits and same way of thinking.I don´t see why it is good for gameplay reasons.Even historically slovaks helped austrians agains hungarians when rebeled. Literally there is no reason why hungarians and slovaks should be in the same culture group.
So that the slovak culture makes it to the end of the game.
Still no Scandinavia rework...
Actualy yes there is and quite frankly the nordics don't need more attention.
Will the swedish/finnish border be tweaked?
It is, finnland is all finnish now (and part of the scandinavian culture group, hence finnish in the game obviously represent finland's unique mix of finnish and swedish culture)
Finnish and Sami added to scandinavian, Russian culture divulged more, German French and Italian unchanged, Welsh finally added to British culture group, Hungarians no longer lonely, Turks given huge buff, all awesome.
With the new tab at the top, might mean a naval expansion which game needs desperately
Also hope they fix parliaments
Agree with everythign excpt the turks, they should be with the persians and kurds.
Also why the hell is Greek a seperate culture to Turkish then?
Greeks at that time were much more similar to Turks.
Actually quite the other way around, the turks adopted a lot of the pontic greek culture from the land they settled.
>novgorodian culture
>ryazanian culture
I seriously think russian community should boycott this nonsense.
Gameplay reasons, russia was to large a culture.
Oh look, Russia got shafted again. Well, that's a surprise, right?
They got karelian added to their group and several new provinces I think they got buffed actually.
Putting together Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian seems oh so wrong from Estonian perspective. I'm pretty sure most of Latvians and Lithuanians agree with me
It's that or the scandinavian group since there is no finnougric group any more.
Chances aren't small they are null, for that to happen Ottomans would need to be dismantled to the point of irrelevance. If they want Greece to break out they should make it Netherlands style affair (yeah I know we all hate the Dutch events, the point still stands) in 1750, not a +2 unrest -2 missionary strength irrelevance that it's now. Or a very late game disaster. But the whole Ottomans and Egyptians are closer culturally that turks and greeks is just misrepresenting history by looking at it from modern standpoint.
I don't mind the concept of the neatherlands events, I do however mind the execution. Instead of giving the neatherlands to the beneficiary of the burgindian ingeritence they should merge it into the neatherlands at once and place it under a personal union with whoever inherits that land, then have some events that means it is likely to go rebellious.
Only scandinavian and german culture groups are right.
Ottomans linked to Egyptian, syrian and iraqi culture is ridicolous.
Hungarian with slovak and rumenian? LOL Rumenians are more similar to italians than hungarians and slovaks to polish
Depends on what you mean with right. If you're talking language then no scandianvian is not right, the finns were not a nordic language. If you're talking culture then german is not right czech should be german for cultural union reasons.
Ya, im not sure how paradox even came up with slovak culture.
Its not even a culture today. Its a political designation on a passport.
Because making it czech would again mean that it would get culture converted to hungarian.
The only bad things I see in the screenshots is that Tuchel is still Prussian culture and Samogitia doesn't have connection to the Baltic.
About culture groups I have posted like a dozen times now, so nothing new I could say here.
About map changes - I LOVE everything that's been posted as of now, and hope that there are many more tweaks to be shown in oncoming weeks!
Also - I hope that Slovakian tag will be called Nyitra? "Slovakia" for country in XV century sounds... weird.
Disagree with the former. Agree with the last part.
As long there is an austrian culture the german group can't be right.
No it should probably be the same as bavarian, austria was just a duchy in the greater bavarian area that happened to become the seat of the habsburg emperors.
Well, i would say the baltic group would be a better fit for finnish culture tbh.
No not consdiering that the finnish culture include the parts of finland where the majority spoke swedish. Finnish in the game thus represent that mix of fennougric and norse germanic influences.
poor england, johan is always making life hard for the brits.
Are you kidding me? They are super powerful lately.
2,5 year, we waited so long for fixes to Hungarian region. Well, better late than later.
It's still all hungarian in ck2 though =(
I would prefer the Hungarian (=Magyar) and Slovak cultures rather to be in the Western Slavic culture group, instead of its own Carpathian culturegroup together with Romanian. Historically Poland and Bohemia have shared multiple kings with Hungary and their culture had greater influence on Hungarian than with Romanian.
Then what should happen to romania? They try to avoid single culture culturegroups. I guess they could go in the greek one.
I know the principle playability before historical accuracy, but i feel this change is in order to try to effect how AI and players expand within same culturegroup, instead of fun.
And seeing hungary culture convert slovak out of existance ine very game is fun?
I'm not expert on the topic, but i guess it is similar with Turkish culture. If you would like to include it into another nearby culturegroup, it would be more historically accurate to include into the Greek group, than with the Arab. I'm more or less sure that the Greek/Byzantine culture had greater influence on Turkish than the Arab culture. (I'm not sure in this though.)
Yeak greek wouldn't be a good idea because then they couldn't simmulate the how the greeks got independent near the end of the period (with west european support). The persian culture group is a better match. Persian and greek aren't that diffren't in the first place.
So finally there is the kurdish culture! We now just need the decision to form kurdistan! For the Glory!
It's been there a while, it even has it's own tag in the 1444 start Ardalan. No kurdistan though, hardly suprising really the idea of countries named after cultures is a national romanticism thing.
