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DorlasAnther said:
Day of the Dragon was published between Warcraft II and III, so it uses outdated maps. I am not sure if it was in DotD or Behind the Dark Portal, but Gilneas was mentioned as kingdom which shouldn´t care about Alteraci inheritance, due to them being located far away from Alterac. But, as we can see from WoW, Ambermill (which belonged to Gilneas before building of their wall) was divided from Alteraci territory only by Dalaran and its surroundings. Stromgarde trying to annex eastern Alterac makes a lot of sense when looking at Warcraft maps, but not when we consider WoW maps, which are correct ones (and there was no continental shift, Warcraft maps have been retconned, so it always looked like that).
Also, those are all information from books, which are on lesser level than games. When book from 2001 mentions A, but information from game from 2004 suggests B, then game is right. Alterac really seems like landlocked nation, located in the mountains.
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Gilneas is in a quite different situation here than Stromgarde is. Stromgarde is trying to annex Alterac: Gilneas was trying to put a puppet onto the throne of Alterac, which doesn't really require a shared border with Alterac. However, annexing and administering part of Alterac, if Alterac is seperated from Stromgarde by Lordaeron territory, is not a very viable option for Stromgarde if Lordaeron opposes it (and Lordaeron did oppose it). We're led to believe Thoras is a master strategist, so he should understand this.

I'm not sure what your second point is saying here. "WoW information contradicts this"-- but it doesn't? WoW tells us that Durnholde exists, and really nothing else about Eastern Hillsbrad. The human territory we'd see in between Alterac Mountains and the sea--Durnholde--was built after the Second War. We know that Lordaeron annexed parts of Alterac after the second war (Strahnbrad, which is seen in the first mission of the Human Campaign of WC3 as a Lordaeron aligned town), so it's not an unreasonable assumpion to assume that Durnholde was built on land also annexed on Alterac-- we know that it was built after the Second War, we know that that land fits perfectly with the idea of an 'Eastern Alterac' that Stromgarde wished to annex, and that land would fit perfectly for giving Alterac it's port and the possibility for a fleet. Besides that: wouldn't it make more sense for Terenas to build a fortress in occupied ruins of enemy territory, than to build a completely new fort in his own lands? It'd manage to serve a double purpose.
 
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Astanna said:
Gilneas is in a quite different situation here than Stromgarde is. Stromgarde is trying to annex Alterac: Gilneas was trying to put a puppet onto the throne of Alterac, which doesn't really require a shared border with Alterac. However, annexing and administering part of Alterac, if Alterac is seperated from Stromgarde by Lordaeron territory, is not a very viable option for Stromgarde if Lordaeron opposes it (and Lordaeron did oppose it). We're led to believe Thoras is a master strategist, so he should understand this.

I'm not sure what your second point is saying here. "WoW information contradicts this"-- but it doesn't? WoW tells us that Durnholde exists, and really nothing else about Eastern Hillsbrad. The human territory we'd see in between Alterac Mountains and the sea--Durnholde--was built after the Second War. We know that Lordaeron annexed parts of Alterac after the second war (Strahnbrad, which is seen in the first mission of the Human Campaign of WC3 as a Lordaeron aligned town), so it's not an unreasonable assumpion to assume that Durnholde was built on land also annexed on Alterac-- we know that it was built after the Second War, we know that that land fits perfectly with the idea of an 'Eastern Alterac' that Stromgarde wished to annex, and that land would fit perfectly for giving Alterac it's port and the possibility for a fleet. Besides that: wouldn't it make more sense for Terenas to build a fortress in occupied ruins of enemy territory, than to build a completely new fort in his own lands? It'd manage to serve a double purpose.
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It of course makes sense to put someone on throne of kingdom which is far away, but it was mentioned in books that Gilneas is really far away from Alterac, so it should stay out of their business. So, if one statement (Gilneas being far away from Alterac) is incorrect due to outdated maps, why should another one (Stromgarde bordering Alterac and trying to annex parts of it) be correct?
Also, there is no mention of Durnholde being built after Second War on Wiki. There is even mention that Aedelas Blackmoore moved headquarters of internment camps from Stormwind to his fortress of Durhnolde, which suggests that it was his family seat, not something built to oversee the camps after Second War. Thrall also spent his whole childhood in Durnholde and Aedelas found him during First War. Also, WoW has greatly reduced map (whole Azeroth is comparable in size to surroundings of my town). So, even though we see only Durnholde, one tower and a farm in Eastern Hillsbrad, there surely is more. Yes, it has no major towns, but there is still other human activity.
And once again, proximity of Alterac and Stromgarde is information based on outdated maps and books based on them. Tell me, when book mentions Thoras Trollbane looking from Stromgarde Keep and seeing passes in Alterac Mountains (something you can´t even in WoW), would you believe other geographical information stated there? Yes, Blizzard didn´t retcon those old books (or Tides of Darkness), but in light of known geography, some information just don´t make sense. Just like when Horde teleports over northern Lordaeron multiple times.
 
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Hey everybody i just wanted to give everyone an update on the warcraft mod. The good news is that we have made enormous progress on the map terrain Alpha build. Its virtually done, just needs touch ups. Events are being worked on, and shields/emblems are also being developed. Bad news is that we lost a few of our teammates, so we will have a delay. Also I personally will be working on character portraits, but have absolutely no experience in that area. If anyone could help me or wants to give it a try please feel free to ask us and send us an example of your work at: Azerothiankingsmod@gmail.com
 
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Yep, as diablo said, volunteers are more than welcome to join us. I'm currently tackling the history, and diablo is bouncing between map updates and flags. Scriptors for events/descisions would be much appreciated but we are desperately in need of artists to work on character portraits or units.
 
theyodaguy12 said:
i assume Stormwind is going to be a faction but i just have to ask is Stormwind going to be in it sorry if its a stupid question
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Yes, :) In bookmarks predating the last decedents of Arathor settling the kingdom of azeroth, the area is going to be covered by mostly a gnoll tribe/clan, but in bookmarks beyond it, it most definitely will be present.
siumat said:
When we will see some of your advance, guys?
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I'm a bit of a stickler for having things done "right" rather than "quick" so I'd say once a feature is maybe around 90% implemented or the first pass is done and it all feels super solid. Diablo and I both have a feature of our own that were working pretty hard on, he on the map art and terrain, and myself on history/characters/dynasties. I would love to show you guys what we've got going so far, but I want it to be solidified before we make any kind of promises :)
 
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