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Capibara said:
3 quick votes on Wagon. Kinda of "bandwagonny" for my liking,

It is reasonable to vote Wagon, though as his snipe definitely condemned EURO, saving Rovsea in the process. We also have snipes from Torn and Rovsea, although Rovsea claim his was unintentional and either way, he was saving his own skin. And besides, I am not getting any wolf vibes from Rovsea for the moment.

Turning back to Wagonlitz and Tornadoli, it is very possible that if one is a wolf, the other isn't, as I don't believe they would both coordinate a snipe on EURO, specially on Day 1. Although it also depends in whether Rovsea is a wolf or not. And as I don't believe for now he is, that reduces the chances of either Wagon or Torn being a wolf. Lastly, both Rovsea and Torn were run up yesterday, so I would rather vote for a new candidate.

For now I will vote aedan, as he was the one who put EURO as a second candidate when Torn was on the lead. In case any of these two turns out to be a wolf, the other should be looked closely as well.

vote aedan
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Torn was two votes ahead, and there were a number of one vote candidates. No one besides torn had multiple votes. I could've vote Torn pushing him further ahead, but that wouldn't accomplish anything useful and just draw attention to myself. I could have voted a candidate without votes, but that would just muddy the field further and basically throw my vote away. I choose to vote a candidate who already had a vote, so there would be competition with Torn, so that more information could be gathered for the village. That Euro was a villager and other players followed my vote was unfortunate, but it hardly indicates that I'm a wolf.
Gen. Marshall said:
Health accidentally gave me three wolf names instead of the names of my fellow friends.

Yeah, sorry about that.

I'll probably get autolynched but IMO it's fair to give y'all one wolf name in compensation.
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Well that's... interesting. To be honest the best solution here would've been to claim you no longer had the time to play, or something, and get Health to sub your role. Presuming what you're saying is true. I see no reason for a villager to claim this, Marshall isn't the type to pointlessly troll, and if he's a wolf lying about this, we can lynch him tomorrow. So best to test this I believe.

Vote Wagonlitz
 
aedan777 said:
Torn was two votes ahead, and there were a number of one vote candidates. No one besides torn had multiple votes. I could've vote Torn pushing him further ahead, but that wouldn't accomplish anything useful and just draw attention to myself. I could have voted a candidate without votes, but that would just muddy the field further and basically throw my vote away. I choose to vote a candidate who already had a vote, so there would be competition with Torn, so that more information could be gathered for the village. That Euro was a villager and other players followed my vote was unfortunate, but it hardly indicates that I'm a wolf.
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Fair enough.

As for the Marshall claim, standard outing procedure should be followed IMO. In any case, Health could offers some clarification if it comes to that.

unvote aedan

vote Wagon
 
Marshall obviously is lying. Had Health made such a mistake he obviously would have subbed Marshall out. And I believe that Marshall has enough integrity to ask for a sub should something like that happen.
 
Marshall obviously is lying. Had Health made such a mistake he obviously would have subbed Marshall out. And I believe that Marshall has enough integrity to ask for a sub should something like that happen.
 
On the other hand, both Claude and Wagon raise good points about Marshall's claim.

unvote Wagon
 
Also Marshall hasn't subbed in IIRC. SO why would Health suddenly give him names? Even if he were a friend why would Health then suddenly mid game give him the names of his friends despite him not subbing in? It makes absolutely no sense.

@Gen. Marshall why did Health give you any names at all? If you are a friend you would already have those names and if you aren't why would you receive any names at all?

And I really don't see how this could have happened at the start of the game, since for that to happen that would mean you were in the wolf PM from the start and hence wouldn't even know you were a friend. This makes absolutely no sense.
 
Capibara said:
On the other hand, both Claude and Wagon raise good points about Marshall's claim.

unvote Wagon
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But what does Marshall have to gain by lying here? If he's a wolf and lying, he'll just be lynched tomorrow, and with only three wolves and no seer, that's a stupid trade-off, particularly since Marshall was under no pressure previously. And Marshall's not the type to just make something like this up for the fun of it, or to prove a point about outings (*cough* Euro *cough*). So I think we should follow it, not like parity is an immediate threat.
 
Vote Marshall

I've no idea what he's on about, but he's lying.
 
aedan777 said:
But what does Marshall have to gain by lying here? If he's a wolf and lying, he'll just be lynched tomorrow, and with only three wolves and no seer, that's a stupid trade-off, particularly since Marshall was under no pressure previously. And Marshall's not the type to just make something like this up for the fun of it, or to prove a point about outings (*cough* Euro *cough*). So I think we should follow it, not like parity is an immediate threat.
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Why would Health send him that info though? Marshall hasn't subbed in, so if this is true Health would have included Marshall in the wolf PM and not the friends PM from the start. How would Marshall then know he was a friend and not a wolf? The logic behind this is completely missing.

Marshall is essentially saying that Health included him in the wolf PM, but that Marshall knows, without being told so, that he actually is a friend. And that Health hence made a mistake.
 
Votecount: 1 hours 10 minutes

Wagonlitz - 4 - Tornadoli [196], Gen. Marshall [206], F72Voyager [207], aedan777 [222]
Gen. Marshall - 1 - Wagonlitz [230]
JermanTK - 1- deathbywombat [212]
F72Voyager - 1 - Rovsea [213]
Capibara - 1 - Sand3r205 [216]
Torn - 1 - jeray2000 [218]

Not voted: 4

@Claude LC [], @EUROO7 [], @DragonOfAtlantis [], Capibara [211 aedan777 -> 224 Wagonlitz -> 227 unvote]
 
Now that Marshall has admitted he was pulling a scheme can people then please unvote me again?
 
Tornadoli said:
What do you think about Wagon's reaction? Crovax? Is that how a goodie would have defended himself?
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I think it's definitely a crovax. He said that my claim was impossible because of technical reasons and proceeded to explore them very thoroughly. A villager would already know that my claim was false to begin with.

That said, the evidence is there in thread, so I'll leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions from now on.
 
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