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I haven't been playing for a while, so I don't know what GM's usually do for role send outs. Maybe if we can get some clarification?
I do like to get clarification from someone else then Gen. Marshall and Wagonlitz.
I do like to get clarification from someone else then Gen. Marshall and Wagonlitz.
At first glance, Wagon's reaction seems genuine and I don't see any evidence of crovax on his side.
Why?
It also doesn't incriminate me either.
Of course I knew your claim was false. But you are being obtuse now. I know perfectly well that just stating you're lying and that I'm a village won't help a thing. To properly refute your lie I need to make it clear why it's a lie, and pointing out how it wouldn't fit with the mechanics of lites is a good way of doing it.
You say that a villager wouldn't need to do anything, but state that it's a lie. Then how come I was lynched in the big when EURO fake outed me? That shows perfectly well that just stating you're a villager isn't enough, but that you need to make it likely too that the claim against you is fake.
Or are you saying that me stating EURO's claim was fake was good enough rebuttal?
And I still don't like that Wagonlitz is being run up without so much as another possible candidate, which makes it easier for wolves to hide behind all the current Wagonlitz votes.
The way lites always have been run is that all wolves get one PM; and in the Daffius setup all friends get one PM. There is nothing even remotely Crovaxy in that, since that's how it's always done. I don't even think I've ever seen a GM deviate from that; and even if it has happened it's no way the norm. Marshall claiming that I'm crovaxing by pointing out the technicalities behind the game is mental. In bigs you can do that to some extent, but lites are so formulaic that you in 99.99999% of the times know exactly how things are.
You actually didn't deny being a baddie much and fake self-outed in the big, so that's far from proof that denying you're a wolf doesn't work.
Before the self outing I did everything Marshall stated was enough though. I told that EURO was lying and that I was a villager. And that obviously, as expected, didn't work. You should be experienced enough to know that outings can only be fought back successfully if you manage to convince the village that the outing is a lie. That's a hard hurdle to surpass which is why fake outings have a good success ratio. Merely stating you're a villager and that the outing is a lie will never make you not get lynched.
Before the self outing I did everything Marshall stated was enough though. I told that EURO was lying and that I was a villager. And that obviously, as expected, didn't work. You should be experienced enough to know that outings can only be fought back successfully if you manage to convince the village that the outing is a lie. That's a hard hurdle to surpass which is why fake outings have a good success ratio. Merely stating you're a villager and that the outing is a lie will never make you not get lynched.
A.) Not what a crovax is.
B.) If you don't understand yet that Wagonlit focuses on the technical aspects of the game, then I can't hep you.
C.) I found Wagon's retort reasonable.
So it's not indicative of his alignment. Similarly, Wagon would have sniped at deadline yesterday because it's a Lite game and his standard Lite procedure is no TIEs on Day 1, which he would follow as either a wolf or villager. He also prodded me for my admittedly shoddy looking posts near deadline yesterday, which I feel villager Wagonlitz would do. I don't get a wolf vibe from him, and the people voting him for sniping don't really understand his gameplay that well, if they think his vote was really that suspicious.
Well, he implied that my claim would have been possible if I were in the pack PM from the start, which I consider a crovax.
Also, the whole reason I did this is because Wagon is emitting baddie tells. He's a damn good lynch and I don't see any other cases.
I'm not voting him for the snipe. You are ignoring the best case against him. I'm voting him because he claimed that he hates meta cases, and yet didn't vote the one who (even as a joke) used a meta case (i.e. jeray) - instead he followed jeray in voting me. That's why I'm voting him, and why you should too.
Votecount: 28 minutes remaining
Wagonlitz - 4 - Tornadoli [196], Gen. Marshall [206], F72Voyager [207], aedan777 [222]
Gen. Marshall - 1 - Wagonlitz [230]
JermanTK - 1- deathbywombat [212]
F72Voyager - 2 - Rovsea [213], Capibara [211 aedan777 -> 224 Wagonlitz -> 227 unvote -> 248]
Capibara - 1 - Sand3r205 [216]
Torn - 1 - jeray2000 [218]
Not voted: 3
@Claude LC [], @EUROO7 [], @DragonOfAtlantis []
Wagonlitz - 4 - Tornadoli [196], Gen. Marshall [206], F72Voyager [207], aedan777 [222]
Gen. Marshall - 1 - Wagonlitz [230]
JermanTK - 1- deathbywombat [212]
F72Voyager - 2 - Rovsea [213], Capibara [211 aedan777 -> 224 Wagonlitz -> 227 unvote -> 248]
Capibara - 1 - Sand3r205 [216]
Torn - 1 - jeray2000 [218]
Not voted: 3
@Claude LC [], @EUROO7 [], @DragonOfAtlantis []
Isnt voting him for that, not... Meta? I mean it has nothing to do with his behavior for this game. It just sounds weird.
How is it meta to vote him for something that he did this game. Please, explain.