Werewolf Lite CCCLXXIX: Honnō-ji incident

[Claude LC]

This is a very difficult vote, because one side we got the Wagon-is-a-wolf thing, and in the other side we got G. Marshall I-got-the-wolfs-names thing.
And clearly neither of them convince me, there is not enough argument to issue a vote against any of them.
Torn has kindly express why he is voting for Wagon. For me there is no more reason for the moment to side with him.
And because of that I will have to side with Rovsea and Capibara in this one. In this moment there is no enough proof that neither of them is a wolf.
So I

VOTE VOYAGER.

 

[Tornadoli]

Please, I mean, it should be blatantly obvious that Claude is a newbie wolf trying to defend his packmate. Please read the above post carefully and tell me I am not right.

 

[Sand3r205]

How is it meta to vote him for something that he did this game. Please, explain.

Maybe it is something you need to figure out together, but personally I believe Meta joking and actually Meta playing is different. I feel like you are letting this matter take over your play too much.

 

[Health]

Votecount: 16 minutes

Wagonlitz - 4 - Tornadoli [196], Gen. Marshall [206], F72Voyager [207], aedan777 [222]
Gen. Marshall - 1 - Wagonlitz [230]
JermanTK - 1- deathbywombat [212]
F72Voyager - 3 - Rovsea [213], Capibara [211 aedan777 -> 224 Wagonlitz -> 227 unvote -> 248], Claude LC [261]
Capibara - 1 - Sand3r205 [216]
Torn - 1 - jeray2000 [218]

Not voted: 3

@EUROO7 [], @DragonOfAtlantis [], @JermanTK []

 

[Tornadoli]

Maybe it is something you need to figure out together, but personally I believe Meta joking and actually Meta playing is different. I feel like you are letting this matter take over your play too much.

In his post, wagon said that he hates meta gaming.

Then, literally the next thing he did is vote me, instead of the person using the meta case (even as a joke). Why?

 

[EnvyDemon]

申し訳ありませんが、締め切りは奇妙です

((Me: Sorry, Deadline is Weird))

((GT: Sorry, but the deadline is abnormal))

Vote F27

タイの神々のために接続します

((Me: Tie For the Tie Gods))

((GT: Connect for Thailand of the gods of))

 

[Wagonlitz]

So it's not indicative of his alignment. Similarly, Wagon would have sniped at deadline yesterday because it's a Lite game and his standard Lite procedure is no TIEs on Day 1, which he would follow as either a wolf or villager. He also prodded me for my admittedly shoddy looking posts near deadline yesterday, which I feel villager Wagonlitz would do. I don't get a wolf vibe from him, and the people voting him for sniping don't really understand his gameplay that well, if they think his vote was really that suspicious.

So much this. It should be clear to anybody who has played lites with me before that I always go for no TIE on day 1.

Well, he implied that my claim would have been possible if I were in the pack PM from the start, which I consider a crovax.

No. I said that the only way Health would ever have given you wolf names was for you to be included in the wolf PM from the start, and then you wouldn't know you were a friend. You haven't subbed, so Health wouldn't have given you info after the game start.

Also, the whole reason I did this is because Wagon is emitting baddie tells. He's a damn good lynch and I don't see any other cases.

Which baddie tells?

I'm not voting him for the snipe. You are ignoring the best case against him. I'm voting him because he claimed that he hates meta cases, and yet didn't vote the one who (even as a joke) used a meta case (i.e. jeray) - instead he followed jeray in voting me. That's why I'm voting him, and why you should too.

It was a joke vote.

In his post, wagon said that he hates meta gaming.

I didn't say I hate it. I said I agreed with it being meta. Plus I voted you earlier in that post; not after stating the agree. And I voted you on a joke.

 

[Tornadoli]

If Wagon turns out a wolf, I'd say Gen Marshall is an excellent candidate.

Gen. Marshall, I hear you say? Are you crazy?

But, listen. Gen Marshall knows that there is no seer in this game, he can't be checked. Look how hard he pushed Wagon, on a rather flimsy case - he's telling people to vote for him a lot, etc. It seems a bit out of character and weird for him to act so EURO-like. Except that he thinks that it will clear him 100%, there is no seer to check on him, and he can coast to victory.

 

[Tornadoli]

It was a joke vote.

I didn't say I hate it. I said I agreed with it being meta. Plus I voted you earlier in that post; not after stating the agree. And I voted you on a joke.

What was the joke?

 

[Wagonlitz]

What was the joke?

You saying the murder, death, kill meme; I'll quote it after the deadline (assuming I live) if you want, but I'm not going on quote hunt this close to deadline.


Unvote Marshall
Vote Voyager

 

[DragonOfAtlantis]

Oh shit, deadline... um,
Vote Wagom

 

[Rovsea]

So much this. It should be clear to anybody who has played lites with me before that I always go for no TIE on day 1.

No. I said that the only way Health would ever have given you wolf names was for you to be included in the wolf PM from the start, and then you wouldn't know you were a friend. You haven't subbed, so Health wouldn't have given you info after the game start.

Which baddie tells?

It was a joke vote.

I didn't say I hate it. I said I agreed with it being meta. Plus I voted you earlier in that post; not after stating the agree. And I voted you on a joke.

You don't joke vote banadwagon.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Count please; not sure if I died. I'll remain quiet now until we get a count just in case.

 

[Health]

The line is dead.

 

[Health]

Votecount: FINAL D2

Wagonlitz - 5 - Tornadoli [196], Gen. Marshall [206], F72Voyager [207], aedan777 [222], DragonOfAtlantis [271]
JermanTK - 1- deathbywombat [212]
F72Voyager - 5- Rovsea [213], Capibara [211 aedan777 -> 224 Wagonlitz -> 227 unvote -> 248], Claude LC [261], JermanTK [266], Wagonlitz [230 Gen. Marshall -> 270]
Capibara - 1 - Sand3r205 [216]
Torn - 1 - jeray2000 [218]

Not voted: 1

@EUROO7 []

Complaints?

 

[Wagonlitz]

You saying the murder, death, kill meme; I'll quote it after the deadline (assuming I live) if you want, but I'm not going on quote hunt this close to deadline.


Unvote Marshall
Vote Voyager

Votecount: FINAL D2

Wagonlitz - 5 - Tornadoli [196], Gen. Marshall [206], F72Voyager [207], aedan777 [222]
Gen. Marshall - 1 - Wagonlitz [230], , DragonOfAtlantis [271]
JermanTK - 1- deathbywombat [212]
F72Voyager - 4 - Rovsea [213], Capibara [211 aedan777 -> 224 Wagonlitz -> 227 unvote -> 248], Claude LC [261], JermanTK [266]
Capibara - 1 - Sand3r205 [216]
Torn - 1 - jeray2000 [218]

Not voted: 1

@EUROO7 []

Complaints?

You saying the murder, death, kill meme; I'll quote it after the deadline (assuming I live) if you want, but I'm not going on quote hunt this close to deadline.


Unvote Marshall
Vote Voyager

Votecount: FINAL D2

Wagonlitz - 5 - Tornadoli [196], Gen. Marshall [206], F72Voyager [207], aedan777 [222]
Gen. Marshall - 1 - Wagonlitz [230], , DragonOfAtlantis [271]
JermanTK - 1- deathbywombat [212]
F72Voyager - 4 - Rovsea [213], Capibara [211 aedan777 -> 224 Wagonlitz -> 227 unvote -> 248], Claude LC [261], JermanTK [266]
Capibara - 1 - Sand3r205 [216]
Torn - 1 - jeray2000 [218]

Not voted: 1

@EUROO7 []

Complaints?

Hack GM is hack.

 

[Wagonlitz]

And I can only see 4 votes on me in your count meaning that I should be alive.

 

[Wagonlitz]

And Atlantis' vote is invalid, since he didn't properly unvote.

In case of revoting without unvoting the original vote will be the counted vote.

 

[Wagonlitz]

And Atlantis' vote is invalid, since he didn't properly unvote.

In case of revoting without unvoting the original vote will be the counted vote.

 

[aedan777]

And I can only see 4 votes on me in your count meaning that I should be alive.

DragonofAtlantis also voted you, so you have 5 votes. It's a tie (I think).