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CK2 Dev Diary #40: Visiting the Cartographer

Greetings everyone!

Today I’m here to talk about one of my favorite parts of our games (a very important one too) and something I’ve been working on. I’m going to talk about the map.

Looking at the work @Trin Tragula does for the map on EU4, I started thinking. Why don’t we do something similar to CK2? So I went looking at the map for various possible improvements. I have not added anything new in terms of provinces or areas. Instead, I wanted to focus on improving the existing map and give it some needed polish.

The CK2 map is not perfect, so there are a quite a few places to look at. But I wanted to start with the terrain and topology. As there several places on the map that, frankly, look out of place. As such, I swooped the map of the most hideous offenders. Several lakes and most major rivers are now much smoother, avoiding ugly and sharp edges. The Ural Mountains are now mostly impassable.

Below you can see a few examples.

Ural mountains:
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Lake Baikal, old and new:
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The Ganges, old and new:
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I also took this opportunity to make some smaller de jure adjustments (I know that not everyone will agree with me on these). These are done for gameplay reasons and considerations. The largest change will be for the kingdom of Cumania. Which I broke off slightly by giving the duchies of Itil and Sarkel to Khazaria, along with Crimea and Cherson (so Taurica no longer holds any de jure land).

A small shift in the kingdoms of the ERE. Greece is a very large kingdom, so I made it slightly smaller by moving Samos and Cibyrrhaeot to Anatolia, and in turn, made Anatolia stay close to the same size by making the duchies of Trebizond and Armeniacon de jure to the kingdom of Trebizond.

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Last, and definitely not least. Let’s take a look at Hungary and the Danube. The first thing I did was to redraw parts of the Danube to make it more accurate (as we all know, the old Danube was not quite where it was supposed to be). It now flows much closer to its actual location. The counties along the river have been adjusted accordingly. Pecs, for example, is now located on the correct side of it. The rest of Hungary has also been adjusted so that the kingdom is placed within the Carpathians.

Instead of taking my word for it, you can see for yourself in the screenshot below, in which you can see the updated coast of Croatia as well.

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Does this make the map perfect? No. But I do think it’s a step in the right direction and an improvement over the previous one.

Let me know what you think!

- The Ural mountains are now impassable
- Removed the duplicate island of Kolguyev, in the Barents Sea
- The most northern part of the Onega is now properly filled with water
- The mountains in southern Abyssinia no longer stretches onto the frame of the map
- Fixed an issue in the lower part of the river Don, where the river bed would go above water level
- Removed a bunch of trees that were placed in major rivers
- The terrain around lake Balkhash has been smoothed, to avoid sharp/rough edges
- The terrain around lake Baikal has also been smoothed, no longer will the steep cliffs surround the lake
- The Indus and the Ganges have both been cleaned up:
- The terrain now matches the actual river
- Smaller rivers no longer flow so far into the major rivers
- The borders of the rivers has been made smoother to avoid sharp/rough edges
- The Danube has been redrawn, to better represent its actual location (!)
- The county of Constantinople is now only located on the western side of the Bosphorus, merging the eastern side into the county of Nikaea, connected with a strait
- The duchies of Samos and Cibyrrhaeot are now de jure part of the kingdom of Anatolia, rather than Greece
- The duchies of Trebizond and Armeniacon is now de jure part of the kingdom of Trebizond, rather than Anatolia
- Removed the kingdom of Taurica
- The duchy of Crimea is now de jure kingdom of Khazaria
- The duchy of Cherson is now de jure kingdom of Khazaria
- The coastal counties of Croatia and Serbia have been adjusted and moved slightly to better represent their actual locations
- The eastern counties of Hungary and the surrounding area has been moved and adjusted in order to properly place the kingdom within the Carpathian mountains
- Changed the name of b_mirabel to "Majdal Yaba"
- b_mirabel will be named "Mirabel" if ruled by most European cultures
- b_mirabel will be named "Antipatris" if ruled by Byzantine cultures
- The county of Tobruk is now only located along the coast
- Moved the northern part of c_dalarna to c_herjedalen
- Moved k_venice to de jure e_italy
 
Well , removing Cibyrrhaeot from the Kingdom of Greece is , for me at least, a very good idea but the removal of Samos not so much since the island of Samos was always part of the ancient Greek world and it even belongs to the modern state of Greece today.
 
Well if we are talking about polishing the map I'll say my words about Nizhny Novgorod in Rus. Actually the castle is located in the North West point of Chuvash county. Right on the rivers merge. And the rest of historical part was growing to the south.
 
Since Finland, Sapmi and Perm are similar to each other in both culture(Finno-Ugric culture group) and religion(Suomenusko), why would they belong to different de jure empires?
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I have ever added a new empire in my mod. The name was inpired by "Uralic languages".
I agree, but you were not the first. Others chose names such as "Samia" or "Pohjola". See my mod (although it's not updated, and I think I'll update it with the next patch).

Speaking of the changes, they all go in the right direction I think. Probably Venice could have stayed (along with Istria) within the de jure ERE, at least in early start dates. I think removing Taurica was a good idea, but I would move the duchy of Cherson to the de jure kingdom of Trebizond (which I would rename "Pontus" at least in early start dates).
 
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Last, and definitely not least. Let’s take a look at Hungary and the Danube. The first thing I did was to redraw parts of the Danube to make it more accurate (as we all know, the old Danube was not quite where it was supposed to be). It now flows much closer to its actual location. The counties along the river have been adjusted accordingly. Pecs, for example, is now located on the correct side of it. The rest of Hungary has also been adjusted so that the kingdom is placed within the Carpathians.

How do the duchies line up now? It particularly bugs me when doing a Roman Restoration playthrough ending up with duchies straddling the Danube. Offends my nice neat lines.
 
Ignoring some of the Anatolian stuff - thank god. I was literally just wondering last night what the chances of us getting a map rework before the end would be, and then wake up to this!
 
Any chance of applying the same process done to K_Greece to K_Persia as well?

At 32 counties, Persia is probably now the largest de jure kingdom in the game, and it would be worth considering to break it up into k_Persia in the South and k_Tabaristan/Mazandaran/Azerbaijan (whichever name would seem more appropriate- Tabaristan might be the best choice as it corresponds to EUIV's start as well) in the North.
 
Nice work with the Danube!

Will you fix the Gualdalquivir river? It has been a navigable river since the Bronze Age and in the 9th century Vikings entered in the river, looted Seville (then owned by muslims) and headed for Córdoba but they were slaughtered by the Umayyad army in the Battle of Tablada (not confuse with La Tablada, in Argentina), oddly enough exactly 600 years before the EU4 start date. This fact comes from the Arabic historiography.
 
I will miss Taurica :(
For those of you who enjoy Taurica. It will still be there as a titular kingdom.

HUZZAH!
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
This is awesome! I've been waiting so long for this!
I'm glad you like it. :)

You lot are never going to fix Iran, are you? :p.
I'd never say never. Who knows what I'll pick for my next pet project.

Fantastic changes related to the Danube which I've been hoping since I originally bought a game 2 years ago.
Just please rename "Székesfehérvár" to "Somogy".

Related link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somogy_County
I'll look into it. No promises that it will be added for 2.7 though.

@Servancour Nice, I'm going to keep complaining during monday Twitch streams about regions of West/North Africa, North Germany, Prussia and Karelia. They need help. Hopefully one day.. :p
As you should. Maybe I'll get around to do some fixing for them as well. ;)
 
For those of you who enjoy Taurica. It will still be there as a titular kingdom.


I'm glad you like it. :)


I'd never say never. Who knows what I'll pick for my next pet project.


I'll look into it. No promises that it will be added for 2.7 though.


As you should. Maybe I'll get around to do some fixing for them as well. ;)
Any word on whether you might make d_amalfi a de jure part of k_sicily again so that your viceroys don't annihilate it ASAP with de jure wars. Because that's really annoying and you can't really do anything to stop it most of the time. And the times where you can demand white piece it often costs you a favour. And if you don't notice the war before it's over it's done, since you can't remake Amalfi. It really shouldn't be that hard to keep the Amalfi republic alive as your vassal.
Also speaking of de jure titles could you then perhaps make Amalfi de jure k_sicily again, since otherwise your vassals always annihilates it with de jure wars.
 
Beautiful work on Danube!

In the upper left corner of the screenshot you can see the lands of Bohemia that are regretfully topografically way too off. I know that nobody but Czech players won't care but I would love so much (and you personally) if you could redraw that part a little bit closer to reality as well.

Simple map of the Czech Republic:
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In-game map of Central Europe
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You can see, that the navigable Elbe (Labe) is supposed to flow north of Prague and the Moldau (Vltava) river springs in Southern Bohemia (not Austria) and then goes through Central Bohemia and Prague. The lands around Moldau and Elbe rivers in the screenshots were always part of Bohemia, so it really is just a misplaced graphics.

I know that there are bzillions of areas of the map that could use more polish, I'm just throwing my five cents in here.
I think the main problem is that while rivers are more or less ok, the provinces of Bohemia are way too northwards and that messes up everything north of Danube in this part of Europe. Just check this:
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The textures in CK2 are noticeably worse compared to EU4 and that doesn't have anything to do with the art style. After playing 500 hours of EU4 I find the CK2 map to be gritty, even if it's kinda cosy in its design. The colours seems paler to me, it's like watching a film on an old CTR monitor, which also makes it all seem kinda blurry in comparison to newer pdx titles.

Not sure how what they can do about it though, it might not be worth giving a 4 year old game a texture overhaul, and perhaps the old engine puts a limit to these sort of things.
Maybee they are but eu4s terrain map mode has the terrain covering borders and when zoomed in even province names. Honestly I have no idea how anyone could ever play that game with terrain map mode. While Ck2 on the other hand looks awesome in terrain map mode, especially after the added the major rivers. Also eu4s previous lack of natural barriers made understanding where you geograpically were a nightmare (a bit better now with the mountains) while ck2 don't have that problem at all.

You lot are never going to fix Iran, are you? :p.

Great work, either way. The Greece/Anatolia division has been bugging me for years, and the Ural change is very welcome.
What needs fixing in Iran?

Well , removing Cibyrrhaeot from the Kingdom of Greece is , for me at least, a very good idea but the removal of Samos not so much since the island of Samos was always part of the ancient Greek world and it even belongs to the modern state of Greece today.
Well quite frankly greece should be further divided up.
I would say in Kingdoms, greece, macedonia, epirus, and byzantium.
Once you've done that adding samos back to greece (that the southern part of the peninsula plus samos, the aegean isles, crete, and cyprus) becomes much more viable.
And as I said already rename anatolia to nikea and add nikea too it while giving armena minor and antioch to k_armernia.

How do the duchies line up now? It particularly bugs me when doing a Roman Restoration playthrough ending up with duchies straddling the Danube. Offends my nice neat lines.
Well I have felt that way too but often enough duchies did straddle rivers, remember rivers were the highways of this age while they may serve as barriers they also connected people.

Any chance of applying the same process done to K_Greece to K_Persia as well?

At 32 counties, Persia is probably now the largest de jure kingdom in the game, and it would be worth considering to break it up into k_Persia in the South and k_Tabaristan/Mazandaran/Azerbaijan (whichever name would seem more appropriate- Tabaristan might be the best choice as it corresponds to EUIV's start as well) in the North.
I created a kingdom of Azerbaijan in my mod, from d_azerbaijan and d_derbent, added it to an e_caucasia toghether with georgia alania and taurica (will be khazaria in the next one).
But then again that only takes a handful of counties from Persia.

Nice work with the Danube!

Will you fix the Gualdalquivir river? It has been a navigable river since the Bronze Age and in the 9th century Vikings entered in the river, looted Seville (then owned by muslims) and headed for Córdoba but they were slaughtered by the Umayyad army in the Battle of Tablada (not confuse with La Tablada, in Argentina), oddly enough exactly 600 years before the EU4 start date. This fact comes from the Arabic historiography.
Sounds awesome.
 
You should consider updating the province layout across the map, especially Persia and the middle east, which is stuck with very large provinces with very regular shapes.
They should also add in the natural boundaries that are responsible for those boundaries then too. And I feel india needs that even more.