A T26 with the separately loaded 90mm T15E2 gun was not designated as T26E4 before March 1945, so it had nothing to do with the Normandy campaign.
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US HVAP was late. December 44 for the 76 mm and March 45 for the 90 mm. The basic rounds for both guns were indifferent. 4" for the 76 mm ABCBC and 4.5" for the 90 mm APCBC at 1,000 yards.
Giving the TDs HVAP early might be needed just for balancing. In comparison the in period Brit 6 pdr APDS penetrated 4.5" and the 17 pdr 8" at 1,000 yards.
Giving the TDs HVAP early might be needed just for balancing. In comparison the in period Brit 6 pdr APDS penetrated 4.5" and the 17 pdr 8" at 1,000 yards.
That's fine, some people think the E8 is the name for the 76 sherman in general.
The game focuses on Normandy, so no Pershing.
Sherman 76, Firefly or Tiger might not be the mainstream tanks, they aren't "rare" either.
Panthers theorically accounted for half the tanks of a Panzerdivisionen (although we've seen 21. Panzer didn't follow that TO&E), so they are even more common with those.
Jumbos are much rarer, there aren't real proofs they were involved in Normandy, yet some earlier ones were available at that time.
Thank god. One thing i really disliked was the thing with prototypes in such games.
But different assets in the game sound nice, so maybe some detached Sherman 76 or Fireflys and some Tigers from schwere Panzerabteilungen. But please skip those prototypes.
But different assets in the game sound nice, so maybe some detached Sherman 76 or Fireflys and some Tigers from schwere Panzerabteilungen. But please skip those prototypes.
I think it will be like that. The Sherman 76 wasn't as rare as the other two(and isn't as deadly) so it should be a bit more common. However, Fireflies and Challengers were used on 1 per platoon basis. British armored units equipped with Shermans would've had Fireflies, while Cromwell-equipped units would have had Challengers(some had Fireflies because there weren't enough Challengers). Tigers would generally be deployed with other Tigers by the Germans, as they were part of heavy tank units. So a division with a Tiger detachment in-game will likely have a decent amount of Tigers, but they may take up a lot of unit slots and leave them with weaker units for the earlier phases of battle. The Tiger isn't really a super tank vs 76mm guns, 17pdrs, or even 6pdrs.
The King Tiger should obviously be really rare because it was IRL and will be very powerful in-game.
Were there actually 76mm-Shermans during July in US divisions? I thought they arrived later... so they are actually a rather "rare" sight during the battle of normandy or not?
Depends on the game's timeframe. It appears to be June- late July/early August since the M18 Hellcat has been denied by MadMat(it arrived mid August and saw combat in September at Arracourt)
M4A1 76 tanks were in England prior to July 1944 when they were ordered to be shipped over for Operation Cobra. 120 were used in Operation Cobra. The French 2nd Armored also received some M4A3 76's and used them in the push towards Paris in July/August. It appears that these French M4A3 76s are confirmed from the first batch of in-game screenshots.
While 76 and Panthers had been produced at this point, the objection I was trying to get across is that production doesn't mean combat availability. Pz4 and M4(75) were tanks that were on the ground. The M4(76) might not have filtered in from the depots and might be still sitting in England. The Panther units might be a small trickle arriving in the area of operations because the trains weren't running.
Wait, what? When did MadMat nix the M18?
704th Tank Destroyer Btn. received them in England in May and were deployed to Normandy on July 13th. There absolutely were M18s in Normandy.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/tank-combat-in-steel-division.1002875/page-3 just ctrl+f and type "Mad" or "M18" and you'll jump to the post.
Well I have to respectfully disagree with that. There were M18s in Operation Cobra at least. If that's not "Normandy," then I'm confused about what exactly the scope of the game is.
https://books.google.com/books?id=7HGHCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT50&lpg=PT50&dq=m18+operation+cobra&source=bl&ots=afW7AAQy4U&sig=Aj8mbbdeM883OdIhu-h-of7BxV0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvxunH-7_SAhUHrlQKHXGEBL0Q6AEISjAK#v=onepage&q=m18 operation cobra&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=2...IVzAN#v=onepage&q=m18 operation cobra&f=false
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I saw some king tigers in the screenshots, were they rolling around Normandy in 44? What about the m36 Jackson? It's just about the only thing on tracks around that could put the hurt on a KT...
M36 wasn't, no. Key versus King Tigers will be hitting it anywhere that isn't the frontal aspect probably.
From D-Day to the end of the Falaise pocket battle.
Regarding M18, I have never seen pictures nor read account of its actual service in Normandy, prior to the combat of Arracourt (18-20th September).
The actual "hard" facts are:
- the 704th TD battalion was the first one to receive M18 in N-W Europe, and had them on September 18th at Arracourt.
- the 704th TD took part in Operation Cobra.
Those are verified facts, but doesn't imply that the 704th had de facto M18 in Normandy.
The earlier date I ever found for delivery of M18 to the 704th was August 1944, hence after Cobra, surely as replacements.
Fireflies, Challengers, and towed 17-pounders with APDS will be the only option for frontal attack. However, APDS wasn't very accurate at this point in time, so IRL that'd have to be at like 600m. Flanking will be the better way. Air support and artillery will also be great back up since KT's are slow. Thus it will be much harder to withdraw a King TIger from a bad engagement than the super-heavies of Wargame, since(Unlike the Tiger II) the Wargame super-heavies are also fitted with gigantic engines and reach ridiculous speeds that exceed most cheaper tanks.
Yeah I get the KTs armor is great. I just didnt realize KTs were in the area so soon after D-Day.
There were two schwere Panzer Abteilungen equipped with KT in Normandy, one Heer and one SS.
Well Sherman 76 in normandy was quite rare, especially since the frontline commanders rejected Sherman 76 as being unnecessary. (Not saying you shouldn't put it in anyway) At least according to inside the chieftain's hatch, this one is a great lecture
I just hope the 75mm sherman is going to be as effective as it was in real life.