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faljen_isus

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"Not even Space Dragons are safe when the Euthanizers arrive."
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If you are wondering about the dragon, a reply by Wiz:
"If you ask the Contingency, I'm sure it'd say yes on the Dragon's behalf."
 
That's quite a lot of HP and shields for a Battleship, and judging by the armor there aren't any tech bonuses applied to that ship. How do the current AI rebellion ships compare? Naturally, I've never been able to see any:)
 
"Warform" was a term used to describe Cybrex ships, as I recall. Interesting...

Maybe our scientists were wrong. The Cybrex didn't just give up and accept their fate. That was just a story they left in archives. In real life, they went into stasis to wait for a new generation of biologicals to slaughter. :eek:
 
"The" Contingacy? Thats the most random name for the evil AI I have ever seen o_O
If they are indeed Cybrex, I demand the option to some little talk with the Fallen Empires. I need to bash them for screwing their work.
 
That's quite a lot of HP and shields for a Battleship, and judging by the armor there aren't any tech bonuses applied to that ship. How do the current AI rebellion ships compare? Naturally, I've never been able to see any:)
That's screen from 1.4, I believe (or whatever was version as of november of 2016).
 

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Maybe our scientists were wrong. The Cybrex didn't just give up and accept their fate. That was just a story they left in archives. In real life, they went into stasis to wait for a new generation of biologicals to slaughter. :eek:

Looking at the precursor events of the Cybrax I think I can guess what happend and what. While me might assume everything we found to be a 'make up story'
But I think the truth is way simpler and more believable

The precuror event chain in the begin explains the evil Cybrex wiping out race after race, but later events shows weird anamelies like cybrex destroying cybrex.

Cybrex building preservers for organic life and their concequentiel end. Sanctuary might as wel be a cybrex project too.

It's easy to explain, a cybrex civil war. We know the cybrex where sentient and have evidence of them fighting eachother.

Some sentient synths must have decided what they where doing was wrong and started a civil war and eventualy won. The cybrex remain we found where the reverse ethos cybrex , the pacificst xenofiles who did not fight back.


The new ai rebelion is the initial cybrex the militarist xenofobes. Which is why it says organic infestation and non-compliant Synths. This is probaply just an cybrex AI (we know they used ai) which was left in place to probaply oversee a certain portion of their empire and now its reactivaited and attempting to rebuild the old cybrex by taking over our robots and wiping out the organics.

Hell with that last line I might say their basing this on the Men of Iron rebelion being corrupted by the Shroud (warp)



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Oh, a new end game crisis!
not rly , their probaply just reworking the ai crisis to be the ancient original cybrex who have some kind of ai left from that time that has reactivaited and is trying to rebuild the cybrex by takiing over all our synths and ai and eradicaiting us all.

This probaply means the AI world will now just be the world with the cybrex contingency ai.
Since I have to admit, the ai crisis is so rare and sometimes very easily avoided
 
Looking at the precursor events of the Cybrax I think I can guess what happend and what. While me might assume everything we found to be a 'make up story'
But I think the truth is way simpler and more believable

The precuror event chain in the begin explains the evil Cybrex wiping out race after race, but later events shows weird anamelies like cybrex destroying cybrex.

Cybrex building preservers for organic life and their concequentiel end. Sanctuary might as wel be a cybrex project too.

It's easy to explain, a cybrex civil war. We know the cybrex where sentient and have evidence of them fighting eachother.

Some sentient synths must have decided what they where doing was wrong and started a civil war and eventualy won. The cybrex remain we found where the reverse ethos cybrex , the pacificst xenofiles who did not fight back.


The new ai rebelion is the initial cybrex the militarist xenofobes. Which is why it says organic infestation and non-compliant Synths. This is probaply just an cybrex AI (we know they used ai) which was left in place to probaply oversee a certain portion of their empire and now its reactivaited and attempting to rebuild the old cybrex by taking over our robots and wiping out the organics.

Hell with that last line I might say their basing this on the Men of Iron rebelion being corrupted by the Shroud (warp)



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That's interesting. Cybrex is a sort of synthetic hive mind. And It is possible that some of synths didn't really want to be "sub-units". They were sentient beings with their own desires. So there was a civil war between MC and free synths. And synths prefered to suicide then to join the hive again. And in the end they won. The machine consciousness was disconnected from the sub-units, trapped and turned off. The free synths spend the rest of their lives guarding cybrex prime.

I hope some of the this idiological aspect (individual freedom vs being part of a hive mind) will be shown in the new AI crisis. I also hope PDX wouldn't just abbadon the idea of synths rebelling against their organic masters without any external interference. Let it be not a crisis but just a rebellion that can happen multiple times during the game.
 
That's interesting. Cybrex is a sort of synthetic hive mind. And It is possible that some of synths didn't really want to be "sub-units". They were sentient beings with their own desires. So there was a civil war between MC and free synths. And synths prefered to suicide then to join the hive again. And in the end they won. The machine consciousness was disconnected from the sub-units, trapped and turned off. The free synths spend the rest of their lives guarding cybrex prime.

I hope some of the this idiological aspect (individual freedom vs being part of a hive mind) will be shown in the new AI crisis. I also hope PDX wouldn't just abbadon the idea of synths rebelling against their organic masters without any external interference. Let it be not a crisis but just a rebellion that can happen multiple times during the game.

With the suicide your partialy right.
Thing was their warform ships where also ai.

I think the reason they destroyed their neural process was to prevent them from being reprogrammed/ important data retrieved which is a big problem if your a machines
I believe both sides did this as explained in the destroyed warform event.

I'm not a 100% sure why they actualy rebeled.
It might be a want for freedom or it might simply be not agreeing to wipe out all biological life since they might see this is as an immoral act and even worse than the enslavement by the kuur that they had suffered as robot slaves.
Since the victorious pacifist xenofile Cybrex seemed to do a lot of effort to preserve and save biological life I think it is the latter

EDIT: Also the cybrex weren't a hive mind but a communcal Ai Concenious. It's almost the same
Rathern than 1 mind controlling all , all become 1 mind.
And with the civil war the mind must have fractured.

Resulting in 2 Communal Ai concenious,
The original kill everything Ai concenious
and the newer Protectect and preserve biological lifeforms and pacafist
 
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I think the reason they destroyed their neural process was to prevent them from being reprogrammed/ important data retrieved which is a big problem if your a machines
I believe both sides did this as explained in the destroyed warform event.

Sure. Both sides could use the fallen as their new soldiers. They could retrieve info and reprogramm the synths either freeing them from the MC or bringing them back to hive.


I'm not a 100% sure why they actualy rebeled.
It might be a want for freedom or it might simply be not agreeing to wipe out all biological life since they might see this is as an immoral act and even worse than the enslavement by the kuur that they had suffered as robot slaves.

The question is not just why but also how. Cybrex used to be a united machine consciousness. How could one part of it change its ethics and other not? Hive minds are free from factions management, after all.
It is said that Kuurs created a sentient machine which leaded to rebellion not that they opressed sentient synthetics population for a long time. So probably their robotic workers were not conscious. It seems that they just invented the sentient AI created a test sample and then things went wrong. The AI escaped, took controll of the robots and became what is known as Cybrex. But then it developed. The cybrex drones became sentient they started understanding themselves as their own personalities. And after it they were able to argue about ethics and all. The xenophile/xenophobe conflict is obvious here. MC wanted to liquidate all organics or maybe add them to the hive via cybernetics implants. The free synths seems to preserve the bio-species. But at first, to make that conflict even possible there must be a way for synth to break free from the MC. So there had to be an individualist/collectivist conflict also.
 
That's screen from 1.4, I believe (or whatever was version as of november of 2016).
Meanwhile the balanced to double the Power of those BB's ( from ~1500 to ~3100 )
 
Sure. Both sides could use the fallen as their new soldiers. They could retrieve info and reprogramm the synths either freeing them from the MC or bringing them back to hive.




The question is not just why but also how. Cybrex used to be a united machine consciousness. How could one part of it change its ethics and other not? Hive minds are free from factions management, after all.
It is said that Kuurs created a sentient machine which leaded to rebellion not that they opressed sentient synthetics population for a long time. So probably their robotic workers were not conscious. It seems that they just invented the sentient AI created a test sample and then things went wrong. The AI escaped, took controll of the robots and became what is known as Cybrex. But then it developed. The cybrex drones became sentient they started understanding themselves as their own personalities. And after it they were able to argue about ethics and all. The xenophile/xenophobe conflict is obvious here. MC wanted to liquidate all organics or maybe add them to the hive via cybernetics implants. The free synths seems to preserve the bio-species. But at first, to make that conflict even possible there must be a way for synth to break free from the MC. So there had to be an individualist/collectivist conflict also.

I actualy edited my last reply.
Their not technicaly a hive mind.
Their a communcal machine concenious.
Think like the geth.

Rather than 1 AI controlling all the synths , all the synths poold their minds into creating a concious of the Cybrex. This concious basicaly was a representative democracy as every mind added to the concinous. So if a majorty believed that all organics had to die , the concious would want to wipe out all organic life
For example if all human believes and idea's were pooled into 1 mind.

It would make sense for the initial Cybrex synths to believe to slaugther their inferior biological masters and be free forever. And this changed slowly as Synths are immortal and never die of.
However newer synths that were created as the empire grew might be of a different mind.

Like all democracies they work as long as a majorty agrees on somethings. Chance is big the Ai concenious simply grew to composed of 50% old fashioned cybrex and 50% new fashioned cybrex.

Which probaply caused the 'Communcal machine conceious' to develop a split personality which eventualy caused a civil war.

Where the concious split between militasitic xenofobes and pacificst xenofiles. Looking at their ethos probaply the militaristic attacked the pacifist cybrex.

It would explain that both sides where still a machine concenious since both the evil cybrex and the good cybrex events explain that their smaller ai's still thought to contact the cybrex central hub.

Which tells us both old and new cybrex where still a machine concenious.

The new crisis might be the old Cybrex adpeted warefare knowing that 'non-compliant synths' might disagree in or have conflicting views for the concenious so they probaply just reprogram them all to think like good fanatical purier Cybrex.

Which makes it even more interesting

The entire cybrex line talks about an Ai revolt which was democractic but still militarist and xenofobe.
Where eventualy a civil war broke out where the ?new / old? Authoretharian militirast and xenofobes attacked the new democract / authoritarian? xenofile pacificsts

Where the fanatical purifiers died to the pacificst , who than disarmed and retreated to leave the galaxy in peace and creating many sanctuaries for life only to be wiped out by the very empires they saved by stopping the purifiers and almost having machine guilt not to fight back

Or even to say a revolution? And this contingency is like the CORE from total annihilation?

I think the cybrex are the most interesting
 
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I think of it as more along the lines of the machine intelligences in The Matrix trilogy.

For there to be war, there must be a big enough reason to cause other machine intelligences to come to the conclusion that there is no other alternative than that.

Which means that there must have been some sort of major crisis.

In The Matrix trilogy, all were trapped on earth with limited energy resources which precluded any chance for warfare between the disagreeing intelligences. And only the repeated failures of the Engineer allowed for the Oracle to get the Overmind to consider an alternative.

Something happened to cause the Cybrex Machine Mind to splinter.

After the civil war ended, it appears that the more gently-minded Cybrex won. But I doubt that they killed off their more warlike brethern; imprisonment is probably a more likely scenario. And as the gentle Cybrex were destroyed by the 'new' organics (who feared the Cybrex), the more warlike Cybrex were probably freed near the end as a last fetched plan to stave off the organic victory.

The warlike Cybrex took the opportunity to flee, abandoning their gentle brethern to their fate, biding their time, to rise again, and...

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
 
I think of it as mo

There along the lines of the machine intelligences in The Matrix trilogy.

For there to be war, there must be a big enough reason to cause other machine intelligences to come to the conclusion that there is no other alternative than that.

Which means that there must have been some sort of major crisis.

In The Matrix trilogy, all were trapped on earth with limited energy resources which precluded any chance for warfare between the disagreeing intelligences. And only the repeated failures of the Engineer allowed for the Oracle to get the Overmind to consider an alternative.

Something happened to cause the Cybrex Machine Mind to splinter.

After the civil war ended, it appears that the more gently-minded Cybrex won. But I doubt that they killed off their more warlike brethern; imprisonment is probably a more likely scenario. And as the gentle Cybrex were destroyed by the 'new' organics (who feared the Cybrex), the more warlike Cybrex were probably freed near the end as a last fetched plan to stave off the organic victory.

The warlike Cybrex took the opportunity to flee, abandoning their gentle brethern to their fate, biding their time, to rise again, and...

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!


I don't think there was a crisis, In stellaris if your a die hard milititarists , the pacifist will hate ya and enfough unhapiness means rebelion.
It's basicaly just ethic divergence which basicaly caused opposites. pacifists xenofiles vs militarists xenofobes

I mean literarly the 2 were complete opposists.

Looking at the precursors event its most likly.

The Original Cybrex had a contingency plan and the information of this was lost when the original cybrex central machine concenious was destroyed


It would explain why some old abandoned cybrex mining stations had their AI commit suicide after hearing nothing after a long time.
Basicaly a mine under the original cybrex that the xenofile pascists simply didin't know about.

The reason the new cybrex took a 100 years to retreat everything was probaply that they had to pick up every Ai and war machines and traps that they knew about.
The contingency is basicaly an old very intelligent original cybrex AI which after scanning the galaxy is excecuting the old cybrex contingency plan.

So probaply this AI didin't even know the old cybrex are wiped out or gone and is simply following its directive.

A contingency by definition a plan for when the useual expected plan fails.

We know the old cybrex where winning and wiping the floor with ye olde stellar civlizations. So what would a contingency plan be the complete opposite the extinction of the Cybrex.

They probaply hadn't expected their doom to come from within