Werewolf Lite CCCXCVII: Welcome to the jungle!

[jeray2000]

Werewolf CCXX: Marvel Universe

Welcome to the Marvel Universe! Super villains of all goals and stripes are causing mayhem, but super heroes are here to stop them! ​

 

[F72Voyager]

BlackCrown voted for Cody as a vulnerable enough time that I think he's an unlikely wolf.

The race between Jackson and Cody was close enough I think we should look for people who had votes on unlikely candidates and weren't on at the time, e.g Rovsea and Voyager. I'll vote Voyager for now.

Vote Voyager

Yo. I was on the road all day, man. I got online just now, and I see that I very easily could have TIE'd it up had I chosen to do so. Bummer, man. Right now, though, I'mma

Vote Jackson

Just in case he really does want to leave this game early. I'm a nice guy like that.

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

Yo. I was on the road all day, man. I got online just now, and I see that I very easily could have TIE'd it up had I chosen to do so. Bummer, man. Right now, though, I'mma

Vote Jackson

Just in case he really does want to leave this game early. I'm a nice guy like that.

I mean, while I didn't really want to play being mindlessly lynched is not the way I'd want to go. This is also a lazy vote that really cannot be accepted after Day 1 when there's actual stuff to analyze.

I think the most logical option here is to focus on those who were trying to push me into the lead instead of Cody, as many can hide behind day 1 reasoning for their votes but often there are conceited efforts to save packmates if they are in danger on Day 1. The person who most catches my eye in this regard is SPAM, who was extremely jumpy as it was all of yesterday and was pushing me close to lead once Cody had accumulated 4 votes.

Vote SPAM

 

[F72Voyager]

I mean, while I didn't really want to play being mindlessly lynched is not the way I'd want to go. This is also a lazy vote that really cannot be accepted after Day 1 when there's actual stuff to analyze.

Agreed. However, I am currently in the middle of a (rather ill-timed, in retrospect) road trip to South Carolina for the solar eclipse. I'd like to get a vote in and some sort of reasoning behind it before I run out of data. That being said, I will do my utmost to really buckle down and analyze shit when I can. Data plan permitting.

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

Agreed. However, I am currently in the middle of a (rather ill-timed, in retrospect) road trip to South Carolina for the solar eclipse. I'd like to get a vote in and some sort of reasoning behind it before I run out of data. That being said, I will do my utmost to really buckle down and analyze shit when I can. Data plan permitting.

That's fair. God knows I've been doing a ton of traveling lately.

 

[SPAMbuca]

I mean, while I didn't really want to play being mindlessly lynched is not the way I'd want to go. This is also a lazy vote that really cannot be accepted after Day 1 when there's actual stuff to analyze.

I think the most logical option here is to focus on those who were trying to push me into the lead instead of Cody, as many can hide behind day 1 reasoning for their votes but often there are conceited efforts to save packmates if they are in danger on Day 1. The person who most catches my eye in this regard is SPAM, who was extremely jumpy as it was all of yesterday and was pushing me close to lead once Cody had accumulated 4 votes.

Vote SPAM

I tried to get something going as so far, the votes seemed random. You say jumpy, I say trying to get some action going, which is according to me, the way to gather information on whom to lynch. I voted you to enable the possibility of late game action, which should provide information. For example, if someone tried to switch the bandwagon around, it would definately become more noticable. Blackcrown tried to switch the lead around, which in hindsight, is definately suspicious. Especially in the way he did it. I would have sniped if someone tried to push for a last moment tie, because I do not see the advantage of wasting the tie on day 1.

Which brings me to my following point. Blackcrown still has to answer my earlier points and he had the possibility to do so, but didn't do so yet, as he adressed my first out of 3 points.

BlackCrown voted for Cody as a vulnerable enough time that I think he's an unlikely wolf.

The race between Jackson and Cody was close enough I think we should look for people who had votes on unlikely candidates and weren't on at the time, e.g Rovsea and Voyager. I'll vote Voyager for now.

Vote Voyager

I disagree. A tie would not have saved Cody remember and it would look extremely suspicious if he would switch right before the bandwagon, unless he could find others to switch with him. Which is what happened. He clearly tried to switch the bandwagon around without giving much reason himself and use Wombat as cover.

I agree with you on the people with throwaway votes. If you read back other games, this is exactly the moment for wolves to cast alibi votes while trying to fly under the radar. Without wishing to sound too much like an ass, I understand people have lives outside this game and traveling and all that will make it difficult to post, but it will result in people be given a free pass to lurk/fly under the radar until the end game. Especially if that could be day 4 or something.

Alynkio has been acting cagey, and may have been caught in a logic-trap.

Vote Alynkio

Also, this post stands out in a way too. I don't think I understood anything you said in this topic so far, or made sense to me. What makes you think Alynkio is acting suspicious? This seems like a lazy vote as well as no one contended Alynkio's defence earlier.

 

[Spockyt]

It seems to be that nobody has much time at the moment. I'll also be busy at the moment. I'll probably be back at deadline, but I can't be sure.

I think Jeray is worth a look today. He essentially moved from a throwaway to another one but that throwaway moved Jackson into a tie with Cody.


Vote Jeray.

 

[Team Wombat]

Oh hey you idiots tried to kill me. That's a fairly stupid idea, because inactive me is still better than 90% of the village.

You really need to work on your percentages...

 

[Rovsea]

Also, this post stands out in a way too. I don't think I understood anything you said in this topic so far, or made sense to me. What makes you think Alynkio is acting suspicious? This seems like a lazy vote as well as no one contended Alynkio's defence earlier.

I'm contending alynkio's defense now. It's really not that good a defense, as it doesn't really have any evidence behind it. Somebody contends that alynkio might have fallen into a logic trap. Alynkio says he didn't. That's his defense, if there's a better than average likelihood that he's a wolf, why should I believe him?

 

[Team Wombat]

You say jumpy, I say trying to get some action going, which is according to me, the way to gather information on whom to lynch. I voted you to enable the possibility of late game action, which should provide information. For example, if someone tried to switch the bandwagon around, it would definately become more noticable. Blackcrown tried to switch the lead around, which in hindsight, is definately suspicious. Especially in the way he did it. I would have sniped if someone tried to push for a last moment tie, because I do not see the advantage of wasting the tie on day 1.

Which brings me to my following point. Blackcrown still has to answer my earlier points and he had the possibility to do so, but didn't do so yet, as he adressed my first out of 3 points.

I disagree. A tie would not have saved Cody remember and it would look extremely suspicious if he would switch right before the bandwagon, unless he could find others to switch with him. Which is what happened. He clearly tried to switch the bandwagon around without giving much reason himself and use Wombat as cover.

I agree with you on the people with throwaway votes. If you read back other games, this is exactly the moment for wolves to cast alibi votes while trying to fly under the radar. Without wishing to sound too much like an ass, I understand people have lives outside this game and traveling and all that will make it difficult to post, but it will result in people be given a free pass to lurk/fly under the radar until the end game. Especially if that could be day 4 or something.

Also, this post stands out in a way too. I don't think I understood anything you said in this topic so far, or made sense to me. What makes you think Alynkio is acting suspicious? This seems like a lazy vote as well as no one contended Alynkio's defence earlier.

1) Point taken on BC. But the fact remains he did put a very dangerous vote on a wolf and didn't change it. Could BC put an alibi vote on a packmate under pack orders? Possibly. I still find it more unlikely than the alternative, however - "bussing" is a bit more common on other forums and is generally done here by more experienced players, and BC is a comparatively new player.

2) "use wombat as cover"
Same question I had for alynkio. Again, you're soft implying you know my role. I'm a better wolf than villager/seer, yet multiple people already seem to be assuming I'm a villager already. Why?

3) "I understand people have lives outside this game and traveling and all that will make it difficult to post, but it will result in people be given a free pass to lurk/fly under the radar until the end game."
This does happen all too often around here, I admit. Until the seer drops or until the game is blown open there is a tendency among certain players to coast.

4) I like alynkio as a player. But it does clearly seem that you're going out of your way to defend him a bit. Especially when you put a late vote on Jackson (unknown) and pushed for his death when a now-known wolf was the alternative. So you're still on my radar.

Don't misunderstand me - I like the way you're thinking about the game and think your energy is good. BUT... it seems that you're trying to argue for more complex explanations when there are simpler explanations available. More complicated explanations do tend to be more common on Mafia Universe (the other forum I've played WW on), so I don't consider it necessarily a sign of wolfhood.

Would like to hear from Aedan. Also mildly interested in the reasoning behind the jeray/spock votes...

 

[Team Wombat]

BlackCrown voted for Cody as a vulnerable enough time that I think he's an unlikely wolf.

The race between Jackson and Cody was close enough I think we should look for people who had votes on unlikely candidates and weren't on at the time, e.g Rovsea and Voyager. I'll vote Voyager for now.

Vote Voyager

In a pure vacuum, I'm fine with this vote and the logic behind it. Short, simple, a reasonable explanation (targeting afor a throwaway vote).

The problem is it's also the kind of vote that could easily be used by a wolf to hit an innocent target without arousing any suspicion.

It seems to be that nobody has much time at the moment. I'll also be busy at the moment. I'll probably be back at deadline, but I can't be sure.

I think Jeray is worth a look today. He essentially moved from a throwaway to another one but that throwaway moved Jackson into a tie with Cody.

Vote Jeray.

Um, jeray2000 was the 4th vote on Jackson. He switched from SPAM to Jackson. That IS a legit reason for voting him.

However, your stated reason for voting him makes no sense. I'm going to charitably view it as a misstatement... for now.

 

[SPAMbuca]

1) Point taken on BC. But the fact remains he did put a very dangerous vote on a wolf and didn't change it. Could BC put an alibi vote on a packmate under pack orders? Possibly. I still find it more unlikely than the alternative, however - "bussing" is a bit more common on other forums and is generally done here by more experienced players, and BC is a comparatively new player.

2) "use wombat as cover"
Same question I had for alynkio. Again, you're soft implying you know my role. I'm a better wolf than villager/seer, yet multiple people already seem to be assuming I'm a villager already. Why?

3) "I understand people have lives outside this game and traveling and all that will make it difficult to post, but it will result in people be given a free pass to lurk/fly under the radar until the end game."
This does happen all too often around here, I admit. Until the seer drops or until the game is blown open there is a tendency among certain players to coast.

4) I like alynkio as a player. But it does clearly seem that you're going out of your way to defend him a bit. Especially when you put a late vote on Jackson (unknown) and pushed for his death when a now-known wolf was the alternative. So you're still on my radar.

Don't misunderstand me - I like the way you're thinking about the game and think your energy is good. BUT... it seems that you're trying to argue for more complex explanations when there are simpler explanations available. More complicated explanations do tend to be more common on Mafia Universe (the other forum I've played WW on), so I don't consider it necessarily a sign of wolfhood.

Would like to hear from Aedan. Also mildly interested in the reasoning behind the jeray/spock votes...

1 I think BC should answer that himself. Still waiting on that.

2 I'm not implying anything about your role. All I'm saying is that BC seems to follow you for no given reason, because to me it looked like he tried to find an excuse to change the bandwagon. The reason I asked you is because it's usually in someone's blindspot if people try to buddy up to you.

3 Shame if you ask me. I personally feel we lost a lot of time today as nothing happened.

4 I know I took a risk, but at the moment I don't see why people say he is suspicious after I don't see what motivates the vote. I personally feel these votes fly under the radar too much. People can cast a vote like that and disappear into the shadows for 24 more hours.

About my reasoning. These are some personal hints I picked up elsewhere and noticed after reading back on older games. In general after reading older games, I feel wolves go out of their way to cast votes on each other early game and tend to either pick on villagers that mess up, or to go into semi lurk mode. And especially the latter is hard to seperate from people that are busy.

 

[Team Wombat]

WOMBAT LEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENT
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I like big red text.

Now that I have your attention...

3 wolves remain. What is your current wolf team? Bonus points for actually giving reasoning behind your choices.

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[Team Wombat]

1 I think BC should answer that himself. Still waiting on that.

2 I'm not implying anything about your role. All I'm saying is that BC seems to follow you for no given reason, because to me it looked like he tried to find an excuse to change the bandwagon. The reason I asked you is because it's usually in someone's blindspot if people try to buddy up to you.

He's followed me each of the past few games we've played together - every game we've played together we've both been villagers. I hope that trend is still in effect. (I know at least half of it is.) That's the only reason I don't find BC's following me particularly suspicious.

 

[BlackCrown]

1 I think BC should answer that himself. Still waiting on that.

2 I'm not implying anything about your role. All I'm saying is that BC seems to follow you for no given reason, because to me it looked like he tried to find an excuse to change the bandwagon. The reason I asked you is because it's usually in someone's blindspot if people try to buddy up to you.

3 Shame if you ask me. I personally feel we lost a lot of time today as nothing happened.

4 I know I took a risk, but at the moment I don't see why people say he is suspicious after I don't see what motivates the vote. I personally feel these votes fly under the radar too much. People can cast a vote like that and disappear into the shadows for 24 more hours.

My explanation for my blind following, as it is a blind following, is as weakly follows. I am unusually poor at analysis in the first few nights of the game, and each game I've played Wombat has led the village to salvation. While this is by no means clearing him, his comments on being scanned as shown by his comments on the Seer(s), shoes that he has been scanned at least once.

Let us not forget that yesterday was only the first night, and I didn't have any suspicions against Wombat, though that is probably a mistake on my part.

 

[Team Wombat]

My explanation for my blind following, as it is a blind following, is as weakly follows. I am unusually poor at analysis in the first few nights of the game, and each game I've played Wombat has led the village to salvation. While this is by no means clearing him, his comments on being scanned as shown by his comments on the Seer(s), shoes that he has been scanned at least once.

Let us not forget that yesterday was only the first night, and I didn't have any suspicions against Wombat, though that is probably a mistake on my part.

Pretty much everyone sucks at analysis prior to day 3, myself included. Nature of the territory.

But my next question is... where/when did I claim to be scanned by either seer?

 

[BlackCrown]

Pretty much everyone sucks at analysis prior to day 3, myself included. Nature of the territory.

But my next question is... where/when did I claim to be scanned by either seer?

I had been referring to your comments on there being multiple seers. Give me a second and I'll find them.

 

[SPAMbuca]

My explanation for my blind following, as it is a blind following, is as weakly follows. I am unusually poor at analysis in the first few nights of the game, and each game I've played Wombat has led the village to salvation. While this is by no means clearing him, his comments on being scanned as shown by his comments on the Seer(s), shoes that he has been scanned at least once.

Let us not forget that yesterday was only the first night, and I didn't have any suspicions against Wombat, though that is probably a mistake on my part.

Can you tell me why you were so eager to switch the bandwagon? After reading back again, you seem unusually motivated to do so. That's something you initiated, not Wombat.

 

[aedan777]

Actually got a wolf yesterday, so we have information t work with.

Herr Wagon reserves the right to mock our silly votes at his leisure, Spamie. Also, the LC in Claude LC stands for late comer, which should tell you everything you need to know about when Claude likes to vote. Sometimes, alas, he comes too late.

Jackson expressed a desire to die early. The wolves dishonorably have not obliged him. While Jackson has excellent wolfdar and is handy to keep around, perhaps we should honor his request.

Jackson is right that killing Ramius for doing what Ramius always does is clichéd, probably counterproductive, and possibly even wolfish. I'd be more concerned if Ramius didn't employ his unique if admittedly foolish voting method. Fortunately, we'll know if he's a wolf if he starts posting pictures of sinister racoons. Total wolf tell.

As suspicious as it undoubtedly is to change one's avatar (not at all suspicious actually), I have been on a bit of a Claude murdering spree lately. Plus, as the votes currently stand, voting Jackson basically amounts to going to sit at the WW cool kids table with Aedan and Wombat. Being a totally lame poser, I think I'll do it!


UNVOTE CLAUDE

VOTE (euthanize?) JACKSONIAN MISSIONARY

Reasoning aside, this vote came very shortly after Claude's vote on cody. Prior to these two votes, several players were tied at two votes. Alynkio's vote here can definitely be interpreted as defending Cody, by pushing up Jacksonian instead.

no TIE today. curse the avatar change

UNVOTE BLACKCROWN
VOTE CLAUDE

Votes Claude into a tie with unknown Jacksonian and wolf Cody. Pretty suspicious, especially with the supposed reason being wanting to avoid a tie. This was also posted right after a vote count, so I find it hard to believe Audren didn't know he was making a tie. Quite possibly a wolf.

Unvote Adamherd
Vote Jacksonian Missionary

This isn't restoring a tie, but might call for some action.

This vote wasn't on the main anti-cody candidate, but it was a vote that have reduced the chances of Cody being lynched. Weakly suspicious.

I just followed Rovsea's vote because we're a team in the Diplomacy game and there's nothing better early Day 1.

Jacksonian should probably die though since he has no time to play. I didn't realize he was in.

Unvote Spam
Vote Jacksonian

Pushes Jacksonian into a tie with Cody, could be very suspicious.

My reading comprehension skills may leave much to be desired, but I fail to see exactly what in the phrasing of my previous post would suggest that I have knowledge of Jackson's alignment. Sadly, the only alignment about which I have any knowledge is mine.

I've noticed Rovsea has a habit or voting for whoever votes first (maybe this is just a coincidence though.) Of the two Spam voters, I would agree Jeray's is the more shady.

Is there a reason we're killing Cody right now? Is it for foul language?

Questions the Cody lynch, with Cody in the lead not long before deadline. On its own not terribly suspicious, but combined with his prior Pro-cody vote and his possible slip of the tongue regarding Jacksonian's role, I think he's a vert good wolf suspect.

The evidence against Spm is weakest, and while Jeray and Audren have fairly suspicious votes, the number of suspicious points against Alynkio this early have me completely sold on lynching Alynkio today.

Vote Alynkio

 

[BlackCrown]

Actually, 2 seers in this game. Weird, man...

Also, I find Jackson a likely (not 100% certain) goodie now, for 2 reasons:

1) Main alternative to Jackson was a wolf.
2) Jackson, if he were a wolf, knows that I hate playing as a villager (we're cousins IRL) and would have happily axed me, as he is one of the senior players and very often sets hunt targets.

This was the only one I could find, in memory there had been another that was a bit more clearing. Don't know if I simply missed it reading through, or if it was just fabrication. As it stands, not particularity clearing, so, my bad