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CK2 Dev Diary #63: In the Emperor's Good Graces

Greetings!

Today I would like to talk to you about some of the ways you can gain the Grace of the Emperor, and ways in which you can use it to your advantage! To interact with China you must be within their diplomatic range - which extends throughout the entire Silk Road, and through the influence of the Western Protectorate and any Tributaries China might have. When you are within diplomatic range you have the options to Pay Tribute and Ask for Boons.

Paying Tribute to the Emperor will get you in their good Graces, giving you the option of asking for Boons. While the first thing that comes to mind would be to become an actual Tributary State to China, there are more ways to earn Grace. Of course, being a Tributary State is one of the most effective ways to earn the Emperors good Grace - having the Emperor like you more for each month you stay a Tributary State - though you have to give up a significant portion of your Wealth and Levy Regain rate. As China prefers their Tributaries to keep paying Tribute to them, they are willing to defend their Tributaries from outside threats - Tributary States will have the option of summoning a regiment of Chinese forces when they are under attack. When playing as a small realm in the Tarim Basin, for example, it is very prudent to become a Chinese Tributary as they will help you fend off ravenous Nomads and expansionist Tibetans alike.
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Not everyone will have the opportunity (or want to give up their sovereignty) to become a Tributary State though, in that case there are other things you can do to earn the Emperor’s good Grace. The two most common things the Emperor requires are more Concubines for the harem and more Eunuchs for the administration. If you are able to find characters that suit either role, you will be able to send them off as Tribute. These characters will most often have to be your close relatives, making the choice whether to send them away or not more tactical (perhaps you’d rather keep your daughter for forming a local alliance, or keep your third son as a backup in case your first two sons bite the dust). Note that you won’t be able to send off characters that stand to inherit titles. The selection of a suitable character is made by executing a new type of ‘third party character’ decision, as can be seen in this screenshot:
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There are also other things you can do to gain the Grace of the Emperor, I won’t go into too much detail, but they include things such as: Offering a Court Physician when China is suffering a Plague, sending Relief while China is suffering a Famine, sending Artifacts or Gold, and more.

Any Grace you’ve earned will persist as long as the same Dynasty sits on the throne in China - Civil Wars and Invasions might result in a new Dynasty taking the Dragon Throne, making you lose any grace you’ve accumulated. Fortunately the Dynasty changes seldomly, and you get ample warning before it happens (so that you get a chance to leverage the Grace you’ve accumulated with the current Dynasty).

Emperors, like most characters in CK2, have their own personalities. This is characterized through the Emperor’s likes and dislikes - if the Emperor favors Buddhists you will find it more rewarding to both be a Buddhist yourself, and to send the Emperor Buddhists as tribute. The opposite is true for being disliked by the Emperor - with the additional threat that they might, just might, treat you as a priority target should they become expansionist!

Now on to using Grace - if you’ve sent enough Tribute to the Emperor you will be able to request Boons. Boons are generally very powerful, and come in many flavors - I won’t go through all of them in this DD, but here are a select few:

Request Peace Deal - The most basic of all Boons, having an active Peace Deal will prevent China from ever targeting you with wars. It is very cheap to get one and, unless you’re taking a risk by saving up for something costly, you should usually be able to afford one. A Peace Deal lasts for a long time, and also persists through multiple characters should the one who requested it die. In addition to preventing the wrath of China, it also gives quite a bit of passive prestige. Do note that if China is in an Expansionist phase they might not want to hand out any Peace Deals, so get them while you can…

Request Strategist - This Boon has a character trained in Chinese Strategy join your court. This character is both a competent commander by himself, but will given time also train your existing commanders in the art of Chinese warfare. This is represented by special Commander Traits with very powerful bonuses.

Request Master Engineer - This Boon has a masterful Chinese Engineer join your court. For as long as this character stays employed, he will improve your demesne with powerful province modifiers - Blast Furnaces, Paper Mills, Fireworks Guilds and other wondrous things. These modifiers tend to help you advance in Military and Economic technology.

Request Imperial Marriage - The Emperor has many daughters (and in the case of female rulers, cousins and kinsmen) and if you stand in their good Graces you might be allowed to have you or one of your children marry one of them! Such a marriage is not only very prestigious, because a princess doesn’t leave China alone - along with her she will bring a regiment of Honor Guards that you can call upon at will. Unlike the troops you can call upon from being a Chinese Tributary State these Honor Guards can also be used in offensive wars - giving you an edge in warfare. An Imperial Marriage also sets a Peace Deal in place.
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Request Invasion - This is the most costly Boon of them all, and will be a challenge just to gain enough Grace for - if there is a realm that has grown too large and powerful for their own good, you can suggest that China invades them with the sole purpose of dismantling their realm. Of course, it might not be very likely that China would succeed in taking down a distant Empire (i.e. Byzantium) and there is no absolute guarantee that they will win regardless. If you are independent you can choose to join in the war yourself, which is especially useful if you really want the war to succeed. Having Peace Deals with China will protect characters from Requested Invasions and normal invasions alike.

There are plenty of other things you can request; Scholar-Bureaucrats, Siege Engineers, Chinese Artifacts, Silk Road Trade Contracts and more - but I won’t go into more detail in this DD!

Finally I’d like to say that many of these features will be controllable by Game Rules. If you want to disable the Diplomatic Range of China and gain Grace as a count in Ireland you will be able to do so - the same if you do not wish to have China launch any invasions, along with many other things. And as always, if you have any ideas/questions/concerns for Game Rules relating to the features presented in the DD, feel free to suggest them here!
 
Performance issues. Plus nobody plays outside of Europe anyways.

Why would I ever want to play in some of the most backwards areas of the map during the Middle Ages?

Maybe for roleplay at best, or masochism, really.

The land in the Middle East and Greece is where the real power is located. Everything exciting happens there, from rich technology, massive holdings per county for massive manpower, to untold riches along the Silk Road, and finally to being the primary target of hordes.

And not wimpy hordes like the Aztecs. The same Aztecs that players playing in underdeveloped Europe constantly complain about. But I am speaking of the Seljuks, Timurids, and especially the Mongols.
 
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Eh, it's a Christian/Dharmic centered CB to make them possibly more expansionist.

I mean it should affect Jewish and Zorastrian also, but considering how unlikely it is to have a co-religionist outside your realm for these two religions it may as well not apply.

It does little to affect any other religion type.

Which is a pretty big problem since most other religion types only have these expansionist CBs due to instability mechanics balancing out their expansion (Elective Gavelkind, Decadence, Nomad Instability.)

I'm more interested in how severe they will be nerfing Christian and Dharmic Holy orders. The former of which usually make Crusades lopsided, while the second walls off India from the world.

Dharmic Holy Orders are absurdly powerful in any game start and just blocks any early expansion. On the plus side they are also extremely expensive and cannot be used for long in offensive wars. Hence why India always appears to never interact with the rest of the world.

What's really happening is they do interact a lot, actuallh....except everybody loses their interreligious wars, so the border is stagnant.
 
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I'm getting more and more disillusioned with this dlc, Its looking more and more like china's just going to be some eastern Aztec you have to suck up to ant cant even attack. so your stuck with them until the mongols show up band you trade one dominator for another... and on top of it all they wont even let you play as them or the western protectorate,

There goes all my hope for a bureaucratic government. to use for the bureaucratic empires on map

What does this provide other than an off map empire?
 
I want to see China invade the Aztec-controlled British Isles.
 
I'm getting more and more disillusioned with this dlc, Its looking more and more like china's just going to be some eastern Aztec you have to suck up to ant cant even attack. so your stuck with them until the mongols show up band you trade one dominator for another... and on top of it all they wont even let you play as them or the western protectorate,

There goes all my hope for a bureaucratic government. to use for the bureaucratic empires on map

What does this provide other than an off map empire?

I'm actually mostly fine with the DLC now. The only thing I'm worried about is how they'll deal with Mongol-China and Liao-Song interactions.

I knew from the beginning that China was going to be an event generator and that's what we're getting.
 
I'm actually mostly fine with the DLC now. The only thing I'm worried about is how they'll deal with Mongol-China and Liao-Song interactions.

I knew from the beginning that China was going to be an event generator and that's what we're getting.

God forbid we get anything other...
 
Will there be an option to adopt the Emperor's religion for a Grace bonus? Or even puppet or destroy if you have enough military power?
 
Why are there dislikes under the comments calling for a possible action of the "on map" empires on China? Can anyone who is of this opinion can explain his point of view?
 
We already have Tocharian as an Iranian subgroup in the western parts of Khotan. How would Saka be differant from that?

Actually Tocharians are only in the eastern part of the Tarim basin, characters with Sogdian culture inhabit the western part. But I guess your argument applies as much to Sogdians as to Tocharians.

I only want it added as it would be the actual culture of characters in the region. In general I would like more cultures added so characters are not given cultures that were never there culture. Rather than just being given related cultures as their culture. For me greater accuracy adds to immersion into a historical fantasy.

However I am aware many people who play CK2 are not interested in adding new cultures just because it would be more accurate and there is no limit to the number of cultures you could add.

But this is a China DLC, Saka are in the region related to China, so I thought I would suggest it.


Also incidentally Tocharians are not a Iranian people, unlike Sogdians and Saka. They are an Indo-European people, but they have just been lumped into the Iranian culture group in game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocharian_languages
 
Erm, since when did the Chinese Emperor collect foreign nobles as imperial eunuchs? Defeated families maybe, peasant eunuchs demanded as tribute maybe, but foreign nobles? As a diplomatic act? WTF?

I mean I can understand if an Emperor specifically fancies your 3rd son as a "boy toy", but those are rare cases. What use would your random relative serve as a eunuch that a random peasant eunuch can't?

Or... is this Paradox's attempt to "Politically Correct" the concubines thing so it doesn't appear sexist... hmm... (again, did nobles really send their daughters to serve as the Emperor's concubines?)
 
Erm, since when did the Chinese Emperor collect foreign nobles as imperial eunuchs? Defeated families maybe, peasant eunuchs demanded as tribute maybe, but foreign nobles? As a diplomatic act? WTF?

I mean I can understand if an Emperor specifically fancies your 3rd son as a "boy toy", but those are rare cases. What use would your random relative serve as a eunuch that a random peasant eunuch can't?

Or... is this Paradox's attempt to "Politically Correct" the concubines thing so it doesn't appear sexist... hmm... (again, did nobles send their daughters to serve as the Emperor's concubines?)

From the Yuan to Qing dynasties emperors of China did have foreign "nobles" as concubines, but this was mainly due to influence from nomadic traditions, and was limited to certain tributary states/peoples like the Uyghurs or Koreans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Chinese_harem_system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragrant_Concubine
 
From the Yuan to Qing dynasties emperors of China did have foreign "nobles" as concubines, but this was mainly due to influence from nomadic traditions, and was limited to certain tributary states/peoples like the Uyghurs or Koreans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Chinese_harem_system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragrant_Concubine

right, this part is more believable to be honest. Nobles-as-eununchs though, I don't know. Considering that by the Ming dynasty anyone who castrates himself is considered "unfilial to his family" and not to be employed in the Imperial Court, as well as subject to punishment*, I find it very hard to believe the Emperor, of all people, would accept the use of foreign nobles as eunuchs. It would spark off a frenzy of lowborn peasants castrating themselves in hopes of serving in the Imperial palace.

*Source: The Eunuchs in the Ming Dynasty
By Shih-shan Henry Tsai

Of course, I could be wrong, and Ming is after CK2 events anyway. But I'm smelling a bit of Political-Correctness in this one...
 
Getting little closer of getting the Far East into game, By having Qing dynasty characters play minor role in next DLC.

As has been said, this is proof positive that the Far East will never make it into CK2, or at least as close as you can get to 100% not happening. This is a comprimise to get around all the issues a map expansion would cause, and a future expansion would basically overwrite a good portion of this DLC's features.
 
INVASIONS. INVASIONS. INVASIONS.

Can we somehow invade China and get benefits? When I think of China, I don't think "superpower in whose shadow everybody cowers." I think "giant loot box."
 
INVASIONS. INVASIONS. INVASIONS.

Can we somehow invade China and get benefits? When I think of China, I don't think "superpower in whose shadow everybody cowers." I think "giant loot box."
Same, a huge ripe juicy portion of the world with high development and an even larger population that is practicaly begging to be incorporated into my empire.