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EU4 - Development Diary - 19th of September 2017

Good day and welcome all to the Tuesday Dev Diary for Europa Universalis IV. Last Week we took a good look at changes to the Islamic Faith mechanics and today we're going to shine the spotlight on two prominent Muslim nations who shaped the Middle East in the 15th Century. That is to say the White sheep and Black Sheep Turkmen of Aq Qoyunlu and Qara Qoyunlu.

For a long time we have modeled these two nations rather haphazardly as Steppe Nomads but now is the time to give them their own special Government type of Tribal Federation complete with their own mechanics centred around Tribal Allegiance.

On its own, the Tribal Federation Government grants:

-5 years of separatism
-10% warscore cost for provinces
+25% cavalry to infantry ratio

The rise and fall of these Federations will ride on how well they are able to win over the tribal warriors of the region who are fickle to the successes and failures of the Federation. By winning battles and humiliating rivals, a Tribal Federation is able to increase their Tribal Allegiance which will in turn grant stronger bonuses for the country. Conversely, losing battles and being humiliated is a fast track to losing their support and bonuses.

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Tribal Allegiance itself will grant no bonuses with at zero, but up to +33% manpower recovery and -3 national unrest as it grows. It will degrade over time relative to your development. Additionally, it can be spent to gain immediate assistance With each action costing 30 Allegiance. :
  • Enlist General: Gain General with 40 Tradition
  • Train Horsemanship: Get +15% Cavalry Combat Ability for 10 years.
  • Conscript from Tribes: Start production of 6 Cavalry units in the capital at 25% build time.
The Inland tribes of Arabia also share these mechanics, while across the world, other Tribal Countries are either Tribal Despotisms or Tribal Monarchies, working as before.

National Ideas

The Black Sheep and White Sheep Turkmen have also been given their own unique national ideas

Aq Qoyunlu (starting development: 55)
Traditions:
cavalry_power = 0.2
land_morale = 0.1

Ambition:
land_maintenance_modifier = -0.10

The White Sheep
"The Aq Qoyunlu, or the White Sheep, trace their lineage to Bayandor Khan, the leader of one of the twenty four Oghuz tribes and the grandson of Oghuz Khagan himself. The blood in our veins is that of true warriors and makes us the predestined leaders of all other peoples."

leader_land_shock = 1

Unite the Clans
"For many years it has been to our great detriment that we have been unable to settle the succession disputes of our federation. We must settle the disputes of the sons of the White Sheep and unite as one. After decades of warfare there will be few who can stand before us if we would just work together instead."

yearly_tribal_allegiance = 1
cavalry_cost = -0.2

Turko-Iranian Bureaucracy
"Iran might seem ripe for an army such as ours. It is easy to conquer and keep under foot. However, if we are to extract any form of revenue from our new subjects we will need to rely not only on our military elites. There is no reason that the old administrative families of these lands should not continue to carry out their work. Let us embrace the ancient traditions of Iranian bureaucracy, as long as we make it clear that the military might lies with the armies of the White Sheep."

core_creation = -0.2

Dynastic Apanages
"The tribes in our confederation are held together by the loyalty to our great ruler but there are many conflicts within this disparate group of supporters. If we want to avoid splintering over petty tribal conflicts we should strive to keep all conquered land directly within our ruling family rather than among the chiefs that support us."

global_manpower_modifier = 0.25

Expansive Diplomacy
"Our realm lies at a crossroad between the empires of the Mediterranean and those of Greater Iran and South Asia. In many ways this region is one of few friends and many enemies. If we are to find allies we will have to look far abroad, perhaps even among the Christian realms of the far west."

diplomats = 1

Religious Pragmatism
"These are dangerous times and many look to millenarian sects for answers. We must do what we can to curb religious extremism in our lands while also working together with the more organized dervish sects that many of the Turkoman warriors belong to. By carefully choosing who to ally and who to fight we can build a stronger state, one that will have the allegiance of the Dervishes without the chaos that religious extremism can bring."

stability_cost_modifier = -0.1

Qanun-nama-ye Hasan
"The source of a land’s wealth is its population. The lands under our control have, however, suffered from centuries of warfare. We must protect our urban and rural subjects alike from wanton raids and coercion. Instead we must build and enforce a set of laws to make living and raising wealth in our realm safe and worthwhile. We will grow rich as our subjects prosper."

global_trade_goods_size_modifier = 0.1
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Qara Qoyunlu (Starting Development: 161. Has Bitlis and Kharabakh as vassals)
Traditions:
leader_land_shock = 1
cavalry_power = 0.2

Ambition:
leader_land_fire = 1


The Black Sheep
"We are the confederation of the Black Sheep. Our lineage goes back to the great Oghuz Khans and our warriors have made the world tremble. Once we bowed our heads to the Ilkhans and Timur but we now stand independent and stronger than ever, ready to take on the leadership of all the Turkic clans of Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus."

global_manpower_modifier = 0.25

Governor of Azerbaijan
"While many of our military campaigns against our Timurid overlords have given us valuable experience perhaps the most important gain was the title of Timurid governor, given by Shah Rukh to Jahan Shah in order to help him pacify our people. What Shah Rukh did not realize is that this allows us to claim the legitimacy of the Timur, who once defeated and conquered all states in the Caucasus. This newfound honor gives us a platform to build a lasting hold over the Caucasus, Azerbaijan and perhaps one day even Persia."

province_warscore_cost = -0.05
core_creation = -0.1

In Honor of Ali
"Regardless of if they consider themselves Sunni or Shia, the great majority of our subjects honor the Imams, the family of Muhammad and even Ali. While this conviction is regarded as a weakness by some legal scholars it is something that unites our people, be they Sufi mystics, regular Sunnis, Alevis or Twelver Shias."

Tolerance of Heretics +3

Dynamic Warfare
"Our region has proven perilous for many invaders. The mountains, deserts, plains and forests of the Caucasus and Iran require quick adaptation to local circumstances and a keen eye for strategic and tactical advantages. Our prolonged warfare against other Turkoman federations and the Timurids have allowed us to perfect a dynamic form of warfare, mixing raids, grand maneuver warfare and pitched battles."

leader_land_manuever = 1

Freedom with Responsibility
"A truly great ruler is one who knows how to delegate. We have subdued a great number of states over a wide and diverse range of climates and landscapes. If our empire is to grow we must learn to empower local petty dynasties that surrender to our rule, allowing them to tax their own people and raise their own armies in our service."


reduced_liberty_desire = 10

Patron of Iranian Culture
"As conquerors of Iran and Iraq we have inherited the cities and palaces of the great empires before us. If we are to survive and thrive in this region we must add our own monuments and architecture to theirs and patronize the Persianate scholars of our subject peoples."

global_unrest = -1

Irrigation and Public Works
"Centuries of warfare, ever since the Mongol invasion, has left the lands of Iran and Mesopotamia devastated. Great irrigation works that once guaranteed the well being of our subjects have been laid to waste and agriculture is held hostage by the whims of the seasons.\nIn the short run we must build up stores of grain so that we can help our people in times of need. In order to secure the future, however, we must restore what was once ruined and rebuild the public works that will allow the Qara Qoyunlu lands to be fertile and productive once more."

global_tax_modifier = 0.1
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National Ideas and the Tribal Federation Government are all free changes with the 1.23 Update, while Tribal Allegiance and the interactions relating to it are paid parts of the upcoming expansion which will be released alongside 1.23.

Another thing which will be of interest to the Sheep Federations and frankly any nation in the neighborhood of the Ottomans is a change we've done for the Turkish behemoth. In 1444, we have removed all foreign Anatolian cores for the Ottomans. Candar, Karaman, Ramazan, Dulkadir and Aq Qoyunlu may breath a collective sign of relief that Osmanoglu's rise to dominance will be more contested than before.

Ottoman Diplomatic view in 1444:

Ottoman.jpg


As a final note for this dev diary I will wrap up the Trade Goods screenshots by completely jumping away from today's focus and show changes made in China, Korea and Japan:

Happy man looks over far east.jpg


That's all folks! Next week we'll stroll A little Eastwards and check out what has changed in Persia.
 
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Abu Summiyah said:
I dont think the game needs to be that subtle. This idea is alive since Muhammad (pbuh) and we dont need to analyze people's mentality during eu period to make some political concept of it. Simplest. Political unity of muslim world. There is similar decision already (unify islamic world) but it requires reworking i think. Huge effort to make, but little rewarding.
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I definitely would have nothing against it, if Paradox would make it possible to form a caliphate out of your realm. And I agree to not necessarily needing to over-analyze things all the time.
If there ever is going to be a mechanic where you can change you're government type into Caliphate, then at least I would love to see it be possible for other strong claimants as well, thus creating a "rival claimant to caliphate"-type of hostile relations, maybe... It could create some interesting positions in the islamic world, and make allying other powerful islamic states more unlikely.
 
caedussl said:
The game isn't about creating "historical" worlds (though it can be fun to try to simulate that). It's about creating "believable worlds". And it's not believable that that Ottoman's conquer the Balkans and Near East 99 times out of a 100. The Ottomans might have been that powerful in reality, but it's not fun to see the same deterministic outcomes almost every single game. Why should the Ottoman's start with permanent claims in Anatolia? It wasn't "their" land. It makes sense to give them permanent claims after they complete the City of World's Desire mission, as taking Constantinople gives them "legitimacy" for assuming the mantle of the Roman Empire, and thus lay official claim to the core of former Byzantine territory. But not at games start.
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It was their land and they lost after the battle of Ankara at 1402.
 
FleetingRain said:
Why do they have both Legitimacy and Tribal Allegiance? It only makes sense if low Allegiance and high Legitimacy demoted you to Despotism/Monarchy, or the inverse demoted you to Democracy.
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Okay so I thought a bit better about it and I take it back in part

I still do not think we should have both metrics but, considering one of them is expendable, it makes sense to have both. Still, I believe having low Allegiance should be a dangerous business.

If you have low Legitimacy and low Allegiance (and have not used the Allegiance interactions in the last 4 years - as in, you really have no excuse to have shitty Allegiance), an event should fire upon your ruler's death, in which the tribes demand either a change to Tribal Democracy government, or to be released, with the Federation getting 5-year truces with everybody and keeping the cores in the latter case. If you have high Legitimacy and low Allegiance (and have not used etc), upon ruler's death the tribes would demand either an increase in minimum autonomy (+25%) or to be released as vassals.

In either case, there would be events while the ruler's still alive warning the player of the state of affairs should they die, so that even newcomers will realize low Allegiance doesn't give any bad modifiers but have even worse consequences should they not pay mind to it.
 
Finally a reason to play the turkish tribes.

To the caliphate discussion: there was many many so called "non-ecumenical" caliphs. it wasnt that the whole islamic ummah decided who will be the caliph. certain mighty warlords declared themselves caliphs. even parallel to the abbasid caliphate, there was the umayyad caliphs and later the almohad caliphs. it was rather to show that u became a real empire and emperor, rather than being accepted by the ummah as a leader. the question of who was the real caliph is misleading, because its a title even the ottomans as non arabs could easily absorb, if they wanted to. to me its rather a title like the emperor title for catholics. these also were meant to be given by god and could easily be established by a mighty emprie themselves.
 
Roxas15 said:
Finally a reason to play the turkish tribes.

To the caliphate discussion: there was many many so called "non-ecumenical" caliphs. it wasnt that the whole islamic ummah decided who will be the caliph. certain mighty warlords declared themselves caliphs. even parallel to the abbasid caliphate, there was the umayyad caliphs and later the almohad caliphs. it was rather to show that u became a real empire and emperor, rather than being accepted by the ummah as a leader. the question of who was the real caliph is misleading, because its a title even the ottomans as non arabs could easily absorb, if they wanted to. to me its rather a title like the emperor title for catholics. these also were meant to be given by god and could easily be established by a mighty emprie themselves.
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Its not the same. Caliph with control of Mecca Medina Baghdad and Damascus would be treated much more seriously than some african warlord.
 
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holyvigil said:
It's interesting how half the responses to this post are about forming a unified Islam country and it was never mentioned in the original post.
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Maybe because it seems kinda obvious thing to do in a dlc focused on islamic world and without just looking at this issue this dlc with awesome qara qoyunlu system would be a bit disappointing.
 
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Roxas15 said:
By who? Which arab actually thought of the turkish sultan as descendant of one of the original arab tribes? By that logic u could also call the ottoman sultan the roman emperor (Kayser-i Rûm), because it was also a title they absorbed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_titles_and_appellations
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ehh, ofc none of arabs thought ottomans are descendants of Umayyads or Abbasids. But most of them were eager to obey ottoman sultan as a Caliph - and because of that only. What can be seen in various sources, even like early Najib Mahfouz novels (about early 20th century)
 
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I hope that the Indian feather hat that is symbolizing Sultanate Tribal Federation gov. will be changed for something else. It is a bit weird to see that type of hat in the old world especially in regard to "Sultanate".
 
Valkyre said:
Sick Ottoman nerf, maybe this makes near east more dynamic instead of always seeing Ottoman domination.
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And i think this is what most people want. An occasionally non green middle east here and there certainly makes the game more fun imo which is the point

holyvigil said:
It's interesting how half the responses to this post are about forming a unified Islam country and it was never mentioned in the original post.
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That is just a one faith world conquest
 
Mulway said:
Ottoman nerf is harsh, unnecessary and unhistorical. These lands was theirs and when they lost it they took these lands very fast. Unless they get new events or missions i am disappointed.

AQ and QQ changes are awesome on the other hand.
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They should have given those cores to Byzantium coz well... You know :)
 
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