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vyshan said:
Keep in mind there is quite a lot about the Republic of Italy that is not yet shown, and one thing I can say now is that Austria can certainly have quite a number of options to back stab the RoI when they have outlived their usefulness. Just wait till we start talking more about the RoI in their progress report before jumping to conclusions ;)
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Got to agree with Icon here, why don't you actually tell us something more than "just wait and you'll see"?

It looks really bad on your part, and is ultra frustrating on our part to not be able to get any "spoilers".

You're unlikely to get anyone viewing the Paradox forums spoiling Reddit and this thread is hidden by the need for an account so a reddit observer won't see this. Or maybe I'm misjudging why you aren't giving more details, in which case please further *sigh* explain your reasoning for asking for time to explain controversial changes.

One thing I forgot to ask, is the Kingdom of Sardinia going to be under the Savoy or Savoy-Aosta family? I still reject the changes to Italy, but I am curious about this aspect if nothing else.
 
I don't like the Italian rework, but not for plausibility reasons but for gameplay ones. I honestly don't think that turning Italy into the Balkans make things better. I prefer much more two well balanced and fleshed out countries than having 5 countries with less content. Also notice that the kingdom of the two sicilies is going to play really similar to the syndie republic before, the papal state and Sardinia are only buffers to be crush, the SRI now borders France which will probably break again WK2 if France starts moving too many divisions to Italy and the Italian Republic should be struggling against Austria not be also independent. We aren't getting five ways to unite Italy, we are getting a much less interesting scenario as the focus tree of the five of them are going to coordinate poorly and we would likely get either uninteresting nations or a clusterfuck. Two nations can easily be integrated and make their gameplay feel like an inner narrative in game. With five, It will probably feel like playing any other nation

As for your work in HOI4 , I like some of the changes and I would like it to see it back ported. However the focus trees are completely unbalanced and really, not good for the universe of kaiserreich. Focus trees only works in historical mode vanilla. The moment things stop being determined, they are a complete mess
 
qer said:
I don't like the Italian rework, but not for plausibility reasons but for gameplay ones. I honestly don't think that turning Italy into the Balkans make things better. I prefer much more two well balanced and fleshed out countries than having 5 countries with less content. Also notice that the kingdom of the two sicilies is going to play really similar to the syndie republic before, the papal state and Sardinia are only buffers to be crush, the SRI now borders France which will probably break again WK2 if France starts moving too many divisions to Italy and the Italian Republic should be struggling against Austria not be also independent. We aren't getting five ways to unite Italy, we are getting a much less interesting scenario as the focus tree of the five of them are going to coordinate poorly and we would likely get either uninteresting nations or a clusterfuck. Two nations can easily be integrated and make their gameplay feel like an inner narrative in game. With five, It will probably feel like playing any other nation
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Good point.
 
IconOfEvi said:
Funny, I see my original question, or other questions are still not being answered, so I'll point this out then - this is part of his point, since he had to point this out to you, and if he hadn't, it never would have been changed. Can you please stop talking like everyone is an idiot who will fall for this smarmy bullshit?
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I'll talk to you like an idiot until you give me a reason to do otherwise. Failing to follow basic instructions and getting yourself banned from our Discord was bad, but acting like an asshole here really gives me no reason to treat you with any modicum of respect.

IconOfEvi said:
Again, this isn't Reddit where everyone just laps up whatever you do.
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Ah yes, our Subreddit, the community that barraged me with hate mail, death threats, and downvotes just because I announced that Jiang Qing was no longer going to be a major player in the Legation Cities in the China Rework. They definitely lap up whatever I do.

IconOfEvi said:
Which again raises the previous point you either didn't address - that we didn't need you to give us updates before, because we could see development, progress, and provide input, so that time wasn't wasted on an idea that would need to be rehashed. No one ever needed "progress reports", and thus had to be waiting in the dark. And of course with zero input or commentary from people not on the team into the development process.
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I'm not sure why anything we're doing would need to be rehashed, it's all subject to a pretty rigorous process of internal debate and as much gameplay testing as we can manage.
 
Flamefang said:
Ah yes, our Subreddit, the community that barraged me with hate mail, death threats, and downvotes just because I announced that Jiang Qing was no longer going to be a major player in the Legation Cities in the China Rework. They definitely lap up whatever I do.
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Hell, I pay so little attention to the Legation Cities when I'm not annexing them that I was unaware Jiang Qing was even in the Legation cities...
 
But it makes perfect sense that a 20 something actress would be the leader of a collective of triads that for centuries have been traditionally patriarchal. Sarcasm aside I didn't know she was in the game either. I eventually learned that she's like a foreign minister of the LC if they go Triad. And then I learned she can be HoS in KRIV or something which is beyond dumb. I'm all for zany choices and all but not so zany that it becomes stupid.
 
Undead-Hippie said:
But it makes perfect sense that a 20 something actress would be the leader of a collective of triads that for centuries have been traditionally patriarchal. Sarcasm aside I didn't know she was in the game either. I eventually learned that she's like a foreign minister of the LC if they go Triad. And then I learned she can be HoS in KRIV or something which is beyond dumb. I'm all for zany choices and all but not so zany that it becomes stupid.
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Minister of Intelligence I could at least sort of understand given her role in history IRL, but HoS or foreign minister is a step way too far.
 
Undead-Hippie said:
But it makes perfect sense that a 20 something actress would be the leader of a collective of triads that for centuries have been traditionally patriarchal. Sarcasm aside I didn't know she was in the game either. I eventually learned that she's like a foreign minister of the LC if they go Triad. And then I learned she can be HoS in KRIV or something which is beyond dumb. I'm all for zany choices and all but not so zany that it becomes stupid.
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I'm fairly sure she's being removed (and unless my memory is playing tricks on me I believe that generated quite a bit of salt in the subreddit).
 
I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing her as a minister that causes dissent but gets a pretty OP custom personality to make up for her skills and to fully represent the insane controversy her being anywhere in government would provide.

I also think the LC would always be needing capable people who might be loyal to the cities and not as much to China so I can also kind of see her rising that way.

Not that I care too much, I never even look at the LC except for when I'm using the triads against them in 1.8 as the Tian Empire.
 
AvatarOfKhaine said:
Got to agree with Icon here, why don't you actually tell us something more than "just wait and you'll see"?

It looks really bad on your part, and is ultra frustrating on our part to not be able to get any "spoilers".

You're unlikely to get anyone viewing the Paradox forums spoiling Reddit and this thread is hidden by the need for an account so a reddit observer won't see this. Or maybe I'm misjudging why you aren't giving more details, in which case please further *sigh* explain your reasoning for asking for time to explain controversial changes.

One thing I forgot to ask, is the Kingdom of Sardinia going to be under the Savoy or Savoy-Aosta family? I still reject the changes to Italy, but I am curious about this aspect if nothing else.
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I am the developer responsible for the Kingdom of Sardinia, yes they will be under the Savoy-Aosta family with Amadeo being King.
 
Indyclone77 said:
I am the developer responsible for the Kingdom of Sardinia, yes they will be under the Savoy-Aosta family with Amadeo being King.
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Fair, how "easy" would you rate a full Italian restoration under the Savoy-Aosta monarchy as being? (Out of 10)

Oh, and is there any peaceful way to get Corsica or even any way at all that won't pit them against the Entente?
 
AvatarOfKhaine said:
Fair, how "easy" would you rate a full Italian restoration under the Savoy-Aosta monarchy as being? (Out of 10)

Oh, and is there any peaceful way to get Corsica or even any way at all that won't pit them against the Entente?
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1, It is incredibly difficult as it should be. I will also discuss the darkest hour implications in the Sardinia progress report.
 
Hello everyone still active in DH. Does anyone have any ideas for what could be added to Xibei's republican path? I like that path yet it is the most underdeveloped of the China region. I am willing to make my own events if I have to. I just need the ideas. I am terrible at creating writing.
 
DKM said:
Hello everyone still active in DH. Does anyone have any ideas for what could be added to Xibei's republican path? I like that path yet it is the most underdeveloped of the China region. I am willing to make my own events if I have to. I just need the ideas. I am terrible at creating writing.
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Please be aware that anything you suggest will almost certainly be overwritten by the China rework. You can find details regarding it a page or two back in this thread.
 
Flamefang said:
Please be aware that anything you suggest will almost certainly be overwritten by the China rework. You can find details regarding it a page or two back in this thread.
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Dude, I am not suggesting anything. I am making my own freakin' events for my own game that I would be glad to give to anyone else if they actually want it, which is unlikely because Hui is not popular.

For that matter, I don't even know who you ARE.
 
IconOfEvi said:
Ah yes, personalizing the issue once again. FYI I don't really give a single shit what you think of me, but nice try at obfuscation, once again - I was pointing out how you talk to everyone like they're an idiot and will easily buy whatever you say. It was a point of basically talking like Baghdad Bob - "it's all fine, it's all fine, you'll love it, believe us!". It wasn't a point about me. And oh no, someone finally called you out on your shit for once, and you or the rest of the lot can't handle your ego being poked. Cry me a river. I don't really care if you answer me in all abuse and swear words, so long as you address the issues raised. Which you still aren't doing. So go ahead, fire back on all cylinders if you must, so long as you actually answer the questions of you instead of trying to obfuscate, or make an unrelated strawman and beat it, hoping no one notices.




Oh no, you stepped on a trigger meme, in a community that loves their stupid memes, and so thus that becomes the tone of regular, everyday interaction. And I'm supposed to believe this. Yeah no, again, you're talking to people like they're brainless and are too stupid to click on a thread besides the rework announcement. And again, boo hoo, cry me a river, someone online said mean things about you. Want mommy to rub that boo boo scraped knee while you're at it? Death threats? What, did you get rape threats too? Someone put a rock with a threat through your window? Look, if you're going to make up shit, and then pretend you're scared for your life, at least do it right.




Which is, AGAIN, BY YOUR OWN WORDS, the issue. It's all INTERNAL debate, INTERNAL discussion - why do you refuse to understand this very simple and easy to understand concept? THIS is how we got here - you lot thought your Italy rework was awesome and no one could have any issues with it because you're all stuck in your eternal hugbox and parroting clapping each other. Even if you're intensely debating inside, the issue is still that it's all inside a closed system - so your different opinions only go so far. Again, entirely predictable to anyone who understands anything about an isolationist and out of touch cloister endlessly talking to each other, mirroring each other. Information flow stagnates, dies.
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Give up you're just smashing your head against a wall and keep on trying that you're going to be banned it's just you're also calm down a bit and also think a bit and maybe go into Google Drive and write up a proposal and give it to them and see what the responses and that's how you contribute now
 
kol13 said:
Give up you're just smashing your head against a wall and keep on trying that you're going to be banned it's just you're also calm down a bit and also think a bit and maybe go into Google Drive and write up a proposal and give it to them and see what the responses and that's how you contribute now
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Besides me saying by what metric, banned from what? You, or they, don't control here. I'm not breaking any rules. If someone has a fragile ego and gets the sad feelies because someone talks to them rudely over the Internet, that's not my issue. And have you been paying attention? Why would you suggest "write something into Google Drive" explaining objections, and proposals, when this whole discussion is that there is no input and open development anymore? Like, I don't want to be mean to you, but have you not seen what the past few pages have been about?

And besides all that, even IF whatever I proposed would be accepted in such a document, I wouldn't do it because it goes against my whole point in this. I object to the nature of how development has fundamentally changed. All these problems can be traced to that.
 
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