So nations are not made up of these families? But what is a nation made of?
How exactly do you define a social construct?
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So nations are not made up of these families? But what is a nation made of?
How exactly do you define a social construct?
But you are fine if the voting pool was placed there through invade&conquer methods?
So you are saying we can invade and conquer as long as it is on a different lifetime and then ask the remnants of these invaders if they wanna stick around?
So if someone comes to part of your house, doesn't let you in, changes the locks, locks the door, puts a bunch of his stuff and a couple of his friends there, you are saying that you have lost the right to send him away, but you are going to ask his friends he brought with him if they wanna leave otherwise they can stick around and keep that part of the house for themselves?
I actually have one for your case: Trolling – (verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument.
But I'm sorry, we're not buying.
Not random but illustrative of your posting style in post 81 and 82.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JAQing off
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions
Both are tools of a troll.
Dont presume to speak for others, btw, unless you mean you, the other you and however many other yous, you have in your head.
I love how you Brits are so secret about your pride in the existing British Empire in the year 2019.
I also love how you nitpick about random things instead of answering on why you insist on being imperialists. The discussion is about Gibraltar btw, not your inability to judge a character over the internet.
And whether you accept it publicly or not, Gibraltar, Cyprus and the Malvinas, and various other places far away from Britain, have something in common. And that would be that they are part of British imperialism in this day and age.
I also love how you nitpick about random things instead of answering on why you insist on being imperialists. The discussion is about Gibraltar btw, not your inability to judge a character over the internet.
And whether you accept it publicly or not, Gibraltar, Cyprus and the Malvinas, and various other places far away from Britain, have something in common. And that would be that they are part of British imperialism in this day and age.
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Be that as it may, unless you want a repeat of Hong Kong, the future of those places are to be determined according to the wishes of the people living there (yes, that includes the UK gtfoing from Cyprus, as well as staying in the Falklands).
Just a comment on this. The British have announced they will make a military operation in the Akrotiri area that will last several weeks. They will also violate space that belongs to the Republic of Cyprus. They have informed the Cypriot government about this. They didn't ask for an approval, they just said so. Does this make it okay and legal to proceed with their practice operation in a zone that doesn't belong to them with the risk of causing problems to the citizens as well as the natural habitat of the region?
Akrotiri and Dhekelia as military bases are not residential though. They are entirely made up of British military staff and Cypriots who have history on the island dating back before the UK was even a thing. An allegedly sovereign country is used as an aircraft carrier by it's "former" colonial overlord and you don't see how this is somehow a problem?
Uk and Cyprus jointly conduct these exercises. Hardly how you wish to portray the event.
2019
https://in-cyprus.com/british-bases-routine-military-exercise-from-raf-akrotiri/
2018
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/03/05/bases-announce-routine-exercises-akrotiri/
More trollish behaviour.
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His point was he is willing to misrepresent the situation. UK and Cyprus agreed in 1960 to conduct exercises https://www.sbaadministration.org/ and have done so by consent by both parties to carry them out. Just as Cyprus consents to NATO exercises/humanitarian operations.
No, that is not what I'm saying.
But if you want to apply that logic, I'm sure there's some Incas and Aztecs, that'd like a word with you, before you lay your hands on Gibraltar.
It really is a mess if we should start giving back old conquests from an entirely different age and would without any doubt cause as much trouble as it would solve. And carrying around 300 years of grudges seems a bit backwards to me.
A counterexample could be, if you go on a date with a girl you used to partner with, she says she is not interested in you anymore and then you claim that self determination is irrelevant and then you rape her. That would land you in jail. pretty quickly.
Not really, my example with the girl parallelism would be:
You buy a house, you invite her in, it doesn't work out, she tells you to leave, you do so, but then she keeps the house. Is the house hers now because she said so? No, it's yours and you have every right to take it back. She can go live at her parents' place or find her own place, right? No one is saying that she has to be raped or killed to achieve that, it's just a standard procedure. You occupy some space illegally and the law forces you to move out so that the rightful owner can return.
I don't get why this "dibs" mentality is so frequent in the minds of people when it comes to geopolitics.
We're not talking about former attrocities that took place and have completely destroyed civilizations, erasing them from existence. You cannot undo that, but you can simply revert to an amicable solution between two existing parties, so that one doesn't oppress the other just because they feel like it.
British rule in Gibraltar is imperialism. We don't like imperalism in the 21st century. So why keep doing it?
Cypriots have fairly good reason to be angry about British bases on the islands, but then you bundle them together with Gibraltar and Falklands you are effectively weakening your overall argument. I am yet to see a convincing argument how descendants of Spanish colonists living in Buenos Aires have a better claim on Falklands than descendants of British colonists living in Port Stanley. Also Gibraltar has been British over 300 years, that is older than majority of currently existing European borders. I would note that British acquired Cyprus from the Ottoman Empire, I guess Akotiri and Dhekelia should be returned to Turks who were the victims of British imperialism?
Exactly. Let empirebuilding 300 years ago be history, and let Gibraltar belong to whom they want to belong to. And that is likely not Spain.
Finally someone talks common sense.
300 years is such a f-ing long time, it's such a ridiculous thing for the Spanish to keep crying injustices over Gibraltar. Get over it already.
The Falkland argument is even more ridiculous.
Cyprus now, on the other hand... if the Cypriots wanted those bases back then (i.e. abrogate the treaty that supposedly ceded them to Britain in perpetuity) then Britain would have one hell of a hard time arguing that it had a right to retain them.
I should add to this that diegosimeone is a holocaust denier and has cited sources by open Nazis*. He's the reason why the OT forum added that rule.
* by which I mean people who call themselves Nazis rather than people who are called Nazis by their opponents
Agreed.
The point is that Travis and Diego don't view the government of Cyprus as legitimate as they seem to have issues with democracy. Now if a soverign democratically elected Cypriot government told us to leave then this is when we should start to talk about colonialism.
Back in reality there is a partnership between the British and the Cypriots just as there is a partnership between the UK and USA. I grew up near the American base in Menwith Hill (RAF Fylingdales) in England. No-one there views the Americans as imperialists or occupiers save for a single lone idiot in a caravan who partked outside the base for a couple of years (long gone). The reason is that we are not petty nationalists with chips on our shoulders.