Europa Universalis IV - Development Diary 25th of April 2023 - 1.35 Post-Release Support

[Rule Britannia]

Every time I have an alliance and RM with Burgundy and win the war and get a PU with France, Burgundy get negative opinion of me due to to desiring my subject's (France) provinces. This is in spite of them not having claims on the provinces in question. After a while this negative opinion then increases again making it impossible to maintain the alliance in spite of having max improved opinion and common rivals. As a result it seems to be impossible to get the Burgundian inheritance after getting the PU with France which is really annoying and slows down my expansion. Please fix this

 

[IndigoRage]

Russian event about releasing a Finland as PU needs to control two whole areas, which include a prov of Norway and a prov of Russia itself, and didn't include two Karelian prove comparing to history.

The problem is, that Kola or Molmansk, the prov which belongs to Russia in history, is TOO BIG and makes the PU Finland extremely ugly.

Suggestion:
Mission Requirements: control 1777 and 4151, not the whole Lappland, in case someone doesn't want to bite Norway for Finnmark like Russia in our history.
Rewards: Release a PU Finland in Finland and Lappland, but without Kola, not the whole Lappland. If someone does want Finland to hold Kola or Karelia, he or she can do this via interactions with subjects.

Yeah, I think the PU Finland should definitely be limited to Grand Principality of Finland borders. Perhaps maybe with an option the AI will not usually take that can give it Kola, the state of Pomorye, and North Karelia. Definitely shouldn't require a war with Norway in any case though.

 

[Rossarness]

Hi, I found a ton of bugs, empty missions in my Ming playthrough, I documented everything here. https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...5-1-bugs-clarification.1579001/#post-28889739

In addition to fixing those bugs/UI issues, I have some suggestions for Ming.
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Ming can get Tribes Estate, but Yuan/Qing do not, I guess this is balanced that Yuan/Qing get banners. It is ironic that the two foreign Horde dynasties do not get Tribes.

Yuan and Dai Viet do not get EoC Mission Tree. I think this is unfortunate.

Put Ming “Internal” Mission Tree above the "Diplomacy" Mission Tree

Let the Diplomatic/Inwards Perfection route of the Missions be actually completable.

Let the Eunuch Estate have more incentive. Let the use of the Eunuchs actually have benefits instead of just corruption penalty. Similar “trade offs” like Orthodoxy but instead it’s negative Meritocracy/Mandate but for temporary benefits.

Eunuch Corruption scales with Mandate or Celestial Reforms relative to the Age.
If it's Age of Revolutions and you have 0 Celestial Reforms then their corruption will be insane.
If you have low Mandate then their corruption is high, this decreases the higher your Mandate.

Nerf some of the Mission requirement use of Reform Progress.
1. Reform Civil Registration needs 150. (I suggest 100)
2. Examination System needs 250, actually has some really really cool role play content but are locked behind the 250 Reform Progress requirement.(I suggest 150)

Prevent Tributaries from allying your Rivals. My “Historical Friend” via Mission Tree allied my Rival Ottomans. My Relationship, Full Relations, 100 Trust, all should matter.

Give Tributaries a Stability Hit for warring against you or allow a separate peace that only gives status quo Tributary Status for 0 Diplo mana warscore cost(Still need to war them down and occupy provinces.)

All issues will be looked at, however, we are wrapping up the patch, so some of those will have to wait for the next one.

I do wonder indeed.
You have been teasing a few things in the previous diaries.
Might we get a hint in the next diary of the next planned expansion(s) ? :

• which region do you plan to cover more in depth (I have read Middle East)
• if you will go back to adding provinces (in some low density regions) given the last dev diary comments about not doing it for savegames compatibility actually not working
• If EU5 is on your mind as much as it’s in mine ?

Johan prohibited adding new provinces and he didn´t lift the ban, for future projects we will announce them when we will be ready, stay tuned!

@Rossarness
There is a bug with England (idk if its exclusive to it)
- but when I am using Autonomous Rebel Suppression, I can't split my army anymore.
it just creates an empty army stack and the splitting window closes instantly.

That should be fixed in next path

@Pavía would this be able to be implemented this patch? It’s a simple fix that will solve the problems with the borked unit model colors.

@Gunthah already found the solution and it should be really simple

We will check tommorow, but adding last minute changes backfired on us few times, so we are carefull

 

[Dakka]

We will check tommorow, but adding last minute changes backfired on us few times, so we are carefull

Understandable. From what Gunthah was saying it should all work normally but of course you will do your own testing

 

[honkajoki]

changes we aim to include in 1.35.2, to be released in May.

we are wrapping up the patch

Does the wrapping up mean we might get it even before May?

And yes, thank you (you as in whole team) for your efforts both in patching and communicating.

 

[Rossarness]

Understandable. From what Gunthah was saying it should all work normally but of course you will do your own testing

I already sent the thread to our Art team, we are very grateful for all those tips from the community

 

[Dakka]

Does the wrapping up mean we might get it even before May?

Well I mean... May is Monday lol. I'd imagine it will roll out next week after they implement the last couple things and makes sure it works before shipping

 

[Rossarness]

Does the wrapping up mean we might get it even before May?

And yes, thank you (you as in whole team) for your efforts both in patching and communicating.

There are processes that happen after changes/content is ready for a patch, have in mind that we release on 4 platforms that support different OS. Also releasing anything requires coordination of a few departments and there is a day off on May 1st. Only with small hotfixes, I do take the risk of releasing very quick

 

[currylambchop]

That said, please bring back the 10% discipline! 10% ICA just doesn’t feel worth jumping through all those hoops, even with Western tech.

i think 5 discipline is more fair since 10 discipline is essentially making ottomans into better Prussia with no downsides, Prussia already being overwhelmingly strong militarily

 

[VerlorentheLost]

• The government reform "The Great Council of Mechelen" is a level 6 reform which you get around 1550. Given how early the reformation starts it comes too late to prevent the Dutch revolts, so as I player I still have to move my capital to the lowlands. Is there a chance to get this earlier on? I think it's overall a great reform, it just comes a tad late.

This is something I tried to check out if it would be a problem on my own and went court ideas first for the increased government reform progress and I *still* didn't get it before the disaster triggered, and it won't stop the disaster's progress once it starts ticking up at all, which is baffling.

 

[Traka]

Hello ! In my game as France, I became France revolutionnary but national ideas stay the same

 

[Albino_M3xican]

IIRC previously Aragon didn't get any new missions for forming Spain, they were just expanded Castilian missions. Now Aragon get their own new Spanish missions when forming Spain instead of the Castilian Spanish set. I suppose they could make it based on culture again, but even if they did you wouldn't actually be able to complete both mission trees since you'd be missing the bonus Spanish missions for one of the two cultures.

Not sure if I didn't understand you or you didn't understand me. As it stands right now (1.35) and before (1.34) Aragon and Castile had 2 different mission trees.

In 1.34, once you formed Spain as Castile or Castilian culture you would get 5 missions added to the tree for forming Spain. Meanwhile, if you formed Spain as Aragon the tree just stayed the same.
So if I would culture shift to Castilian as Aragon. I would get the Castilian-Spanish Mission tree as Aragon. Or vice versa.

In 1.35. I would just like the culture shift option. Since Aragon doesn't get some key Spain missions since 1.35 changed the mission tree a lot like the tercios or special ships.

 

[gestube]

Is the massacre of Japan's mission tree intentional or is it a bug? As things stand, Japan doesn't get the claims to Korea, Manchuria and China. Daimyo mission trees(at least Oda's) have those claims and other missions while Japan's doesn't. You're able to stay as the daimyo and get the claims before you form Japan, but that would take too long.

On the other hand, half of the daimyo mission tree is completely inaccesible.

You need to be Japan in order to complete the Unite Japan quest. And Unite Japan quest is needed to access the bottom half of the mission tree. And of course when you actually form Japan, you get a new mission tree which means you lose access to the daimyo missions. Including the missions that require you to be Japan to complete.

So yeah. This annoys me to no end. In this save I waited until I annexed southern Korea before forming Japan, at least to get the claims to all of Korea and some of Manchuria. You are supposed to get more claims but I didn't want to wait. Is this intentional? Is Japan not supposed to get claims now? It seems like a bug and that Japan's mission tree is a bit butchered. At the very least the daimyo mission tree is either outdated or it's bugged, since it's literally not completable as far as I can see.

 

[IndigoRage]

Is the massacre of Japan's mission tree intentional or is it a bug? As things stand, Japan doesn't get the claims to Korea, Manchuria and China. Daimyo mission trees(at least Oda's) have those claims and other missions while Japan's doesn't. You're able to stay as the daimyo and get the claims before you form Japan, but that would take too long.

On the other hand, half of the daimyo mission tree is completely inaccesible. View attachment 972956

You need to be Japan in order to complete the Unite Japan quest. And Unite Japan quest is needed to access the bottom half of the mission tree. And of course when you actually form Japan, you get a new mission tree which means you lose access to the daimyo missions. Including the missions that require you to be Japan to complete.

View attachment 972961

So yeah. This annoys me to no end. In this save I waited until I annexed southern Korea before forming Japan, at least to get the claims to all of Korea and some of Manchuria. You are supposed to get more claims but I didn't want to wait. Is this intentional? Is Japan not supposed to get claims now? It seems like a bug and that Japan's mission tree is a bit butchered. At the very least the daimyo mission tree is either outdated or it's bugged, since it's literally not completable as far as I can see.

It's divine punishment for playing as a clan that should just be a minor vassal of Shiba in 1444.

In all seriousness that is very odd. The new missions should definitely tack on to the daimyo tree rather than completely supplanting it. The missions even seem like they should be extensions of paths started in the daimyo tree as well. Well, except for the part where they have completely different paths for seizing the mandate? Either way it seems like this was a pretty significant oversight, especially since if you unite Japan early you don't get the claims to take the "Imjin War" focus in the Japan tree and how 13/25 missions for the diamyo mission tree are completely impossible.

 

[naterag]

This new update made The Teutonic order model unit now the wrong historical color. A White cross with a black tunic. It needs to be a black cross with white tunic to be historically accurate. Eu4 is my favorite game.I even brought the dlc common sense to have this.

 

[IndigoRage]

This new update made The Teutonic order model unit now the wrong historical color. A White cross with a black tunic. It needs to be a black cross with white tunic to be historically accurate. Eu4 is my favorite game.I even brought the dlc common sense to have this.

It's actually a bug that messed up the colors for a huge variety of models all over the map and not a deliberate change. The exact source of the issue and the solution are both already known. Devs have given no guarantees of whether it will roll out in the next patch though since they need time to test it.

 

[naterag]

It's actually a bug that messed up the colors for a huge variety of models all over the map and not a deliberate change. The exact source of the issue and the solution are both already known. Devs have given no guarantees of whether it will roll out in the next patch though since they need time to test it.

Thanks

 

[FantasticFwoosh]

Wow there is some massive siam hate in these patch ntoes. First the idea nerf now tech 20 requirement. jesus what the point. just play vietnaam.

Siam is essentially the best way to play a Kale horde (for 'eat your greens' achievement) by first forming Tibet and switching that way via event before getting the required tech and provinces. So against your neighbours you're going to be hindered somewhat.

On a different note, will Serbian Despotism GR1 be addressed? Currently it has a faulty culture check that doesn't allow you to culture swap into it if you had not previously played serbia at start due to (apparently to youtube comment detectives) a faulty potential chain. If all G1's could be checked for consistency with the way they're intended to be played that'd be great.

potential = {
        OR = {
            has_reform = serbian_despotate_reform
            have_had_reform = serbian_despotate_reform
        }
    }

 

[Dunderscore]

• Why not let Burgundy start out with strong duchies? That should make it easier for weaker players. Strong players will take it anyways. France starts out with them as well.
• Finally, something that is a bug I presume: when you chose to fall under PU with the emperor every possible tag gets released including those in France, not just those that are in the HRE. I presume there is some weird scope issue where the game thinks you have joined the HRE because you are under a PU with the emperor but in practice I would expect that only the lowlands get released and then only those that are actually in the HRE (so Flanders should stay Burgundian).

Burgundy players already have the option to immediately take Strong Duchies, now that they have changed it to only require 2 subjects, rather than 2 vassals specifically. You can take Strong Duchies without unpausing

Also I can confirm from testing that falling under PU with the emperor does NOT immediately pop out every possible tag, it triggers the imperial incident which you can read about here: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Holy_Roman_Empire#Imperial_incidents

If tags are popping out, they were provinces within the HRE

 

[RMS Oceanic]

Siam is essentially the best way to play a Kale horde (for 'eat your greens' achievement) by first forming Tibet and switching that way via event before getting the required tech and provinces. So against your neighbours you're going to be hindered somewhat.

On a different note, will Serbian Despotism GR1 be addressed? Currently it has a faulty culture check that doesn't allow you to culture swap into it if you had not previously played serbia at start due to (apparently to youtube comment detectives) a faulty potential chain. If all G1's could be checked for consistency with the way they're intended to be played that'd be great.

potential = {
        OR = {
            has_reform = serbian_despotate_reform
            have_had_reform = serbian_despotate_reform
        }
    }

I don't think it's faulty, I think it's a deliberate choice that only by starting as Serbia can you have this Government reform. Byzantium's government is in a similar boat. You can disagree with that design decision of course.