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Really regretting now not changing to Ike.
Though, not sure it'd have mattered, as Flock and Ike still could have sniped to save Ike, but might have been less likely to happen, as Flock would look shady from sniping in a save.
 
Most of your actions Wagon have lead to villagers being lynched. I acted out of self preservation because I knew you would sacrifice me to the gallows.
 
Most of your actions Wagon have lead to villagers being lynched. I acted out of self preservation because I knew you would sacrifice me to the gallows.
I know you did.
I did see that Flock followed, though...

Also, it's pure process of elimination now.
I would prefer to lynch flock first, but I know Yakman.
In a way it'll be a blessing I'll be hunted tonight, as otherwise Yakman will vote me tomorrow and doom the village.


So yeah, if you're a villager then convince us why Culann is a wolf.

Or alternatively Marty, but Maw almost killed Marty and I think he'd have hung without my switch a couple minutes to deadline.

There are three wolves.

If its not Yak, Marty, or I.
Then it's three of:
Ike
Flock
Bear
Culann


So yeah, please explain why you're the villager out of those 4.
 
Day 1 Votecount: ~1.5 hours to deadline

Ironhide: 3
alxeu [82]
team wombat [97]
yakman [99]

Yakman: 2
Wagonlitz [75]
Emperor Ike [92]

Cymsdale: 2
Dedonus [79]
MAWofdoom [83]

Alxeu: 2
aedan [80]
Cymsdale [77 Yak -> 90]

MAWofdoom: 2
Arkasas [84]
Caillean [102]

Aedan: 1
beartjah [86]

Arkasas: 1
Flockingbird [85]

Emperor Ike: 1
randakar [81 aedan -> 101]

Not Voted: 3
@Ironhide G1
@HistoryDude
@marty99

Unvote alxeu
Vote ironhide

Sounds good, I'm good with Ironhide today.

Unvote cymsdale
Vote Ironhide

While Ironhide is indeed a zombie right now, it does look a bit suspicious that he's already at five votes without much movement onto other players.

unvote Cymsdale
vote marty99

Should we try for a tie?

Agreed. I rolled a perception check with advantage using my heightened sense of smell class feature and got 2 nat 20's: something smells fishy.

Compared to most players here, I'm rather inexperienced, though it's true I'm definitely not new. Nonetheless I've never learned the intricacies of tie strategy.

Marty's not in contention yet and ironhide has almost all the votes, so if I'm not back, I'll at least help people be able to choose between the two.

Unvote ironhide
Vote marty

I suppose YAKMAN gets a free pass today's so to wake up some zombies it's better to switch

Unvote YAKMAN
Vote Marty
Almost forgot to post this.
Its the vote history of day 1 as Marty was put ahead.
 
Though, not sure it'd have mattered, as Flock and Ike still could have sniped to save Ike
I switched because a) Ike voted me instead of Dedonus, which = self-sacrifice which = villager, b) Culann and bear didn’t switch off Dedonus, and c) you did.
I'm dead anyways better to give the village one more day to instead giving the wolfs extra villagers
My response:
Dear lord, could Ike be a vill after all? Or is this a psych play? Should I switch to Dedo?
Your responses, Wagon:
This feels a lot like a villager giving up to me...
Though, I do have this nagging suspicion that both Deo and Ike might be wolves and trying to prevent two wolves being tied...
But I'll give Deo the benefit of the doubt, for now at least.

Had written the above some minutes ago.
Ikes giving up makes me feel like they're a villager.

As such I'll
Unvote Flock
Vote Deo
I didn’t stick to my guns about Ike because I know I can be wrong.

In my other game, Dedonus and I were cultists attached to a wolf pack consisting of an inactive player, jeray2000, and Ike. The first two were gone quickly and I learned nothing about them, followed a bit later by Ike. It was just me & Dedonus after that. I came to view you, Dedonus, as a careful, clever player, and you, Ike, as a rash one.

I’ve been on Ike most of this game. What if I was wrong about him? Dedonus could easily have fooled me. Instead, it was Ike.
 
We're 7 players remaining, 3 of whom are wolves.
Aa such, all goodies MUST vote rhe same person for the village to win.

Agreed.
I think Yak is a goodie so unless Ike is a wolf we're dead, as I know who Yak will vote.

Since when has tunneling proved productive?
Remaining players are:
Wagon
Flock
Culann 2.0
Bear
Marty
Ike
Yak

Aedan seerish cleared me, so I can't be wolf. Unless we have a priest among the last, 4 goodies, which I doubt, then we have no cultists, so I'm 100% cleared.

Yak was very strongly hinted villager by alxeus spy report.

That's your interpretation of it, spy reports are vague for a reason. I'd love to hear other's thoughts on it.
Thar leaves
Bear, who claimed psychic and gave amount of baddies. Weird to do as a baddie, but could happen, I guess. Might need to look at their vote record, but I'll have little time tomorrow.

Flock who I Still heavily suspect

Marty who was in grace danger day 1 and who Maw moved to and almost got lynched. Would say Marty is cleared, as Maw suggested a tie, and without Maw following onto the first Marty vote, when marry only had one vote and lots others had more votes, then marry might never have got in danger.
Feels very callous and ballsy for a wolf to do. Wouldn't rule out Maw might do it, but I don't see the gain. As it'd be unneeded and you'd not gain that much from it.

So I'd consider Marty cleared.

I do agree with this logic on Marty.
Culann 2.0 made a dangerous vote on Maw, so is less likely to be a wolf.

Ike I had cleared as a result of almost being lynched with Maw, which would require wolf incompetence.
Seems like they might be wolf after all, though. Also with the switching with flock...






So I'd say:
Very likely goodiea:
Wagon
Yak
Marty


That leaves
Flock
Bear
Ike
Culann



Of those then Culann is rhe only one who has a real record against Maw, from what I remember, meaning that the pack probably is
Flock
Ike
Bear

Beartjah voted Maw before Team Wombat did. Seems to me it is even less likely Beartjah would put a packmate as a candidate.

I know you did.
I did see that Flock followed, though...

Also, it's pure process of elimination now.
I would prefer to lynch flock first, but I know Yakman.
In a way it'll be a blessing I'll be hunted tonight, as otherwise Yakman will vote me tomorrow and doom the village.


So yeah, if you're a villager then convince us why Culann is a wolf.

Or alternatively Marty, but Maw almost killed Marty and I think he'd have hung without my switch a couple minutes to deadline.

There are three wolves.

If its not Yak, Marty, or I.
Then it's three of:
Ike
Flock
Bear
Culann


So yeah, please explain why you're the villager out of those 4.

I understand why Aedan said this:
Honestly if I didn't know 100% for certain that Wagonlitz was not a wolf, I'd probably be voting for him today for trying to go for a tie between Randy and Flockingbird. It runs the risk of moving us a day closer to parity if neither was a wolf, and neither Randy nor Flockingbird were giving me wolf vibes, so I think that's probably what would have happened. If there are any non-wolf baddies in the game, I feel Wagon is one. But there might not be.

You've been stumping for Ike most of the game and you have said that you prefer Flock over Ike and I'm suffering from a bit of whiplash here.

As stated previously, I do agree that Marty is unlikely a wolf as Maw wouldn't have likely offer a packmate as an alternative suggestion. That being said I've never liked spy reports as they are purposefully vague as to differ from scans and frankly, I have a poor record at guessing at them. Thus, my knee jerk reaction to not trust my instincts about them. As far as I'm concerned Yakman is an unknown and at best a useless villager. Beartjah being the first vote on Maw before the outing on day 2 makes me less suspicious of him. Obviously, Wagon is a villager; that leaves Ike, Yak, and Flock. I think we need to get this right because wolves win if we don't, assuming there are 3 wolves.

Thoughts on those three:

Ike: Awful voting record but somewhat excusable yesterday due to self-preservation. I believe was a candidate on day 2 before the outing. Don't recall a claim.

Yakman: I was mistaken on Yakman earlier in the game when I said offered a modicum of analysis. Has tunneled on Ike pretty much the entire game if it was anyone else, they'd be lynched by now. Fact he is still alive makes me think wolves find it useful that he continues to vote Ike. Don't recall a claim but also not a shocker.

Flock: Awful voting record with a little bit of tunneling. Nearly lynched but that confuses me on how she wasn't a candidate before I subbed in. Don't recall a claim.

I'm holding my vote for now to see what others say. We need a consensus as we can't afford the few villagers that are left to veer off in different directions.
 
Dedonus: 7
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]
Wagonlitz [512 Flockingbird -> 600]
Flockingbird [589 Ike -> 603]
Emperor Ike [594 Flockingbird -> 604]
Dedonus [545 Ike -> plotter]

Emperor Ike: 2
Marty [537]
Yakman [554]
I am trying to understand this. Subtract the last minute vote changes and Dedo’s plot-vote, it would be:
Emperor Ike: 4
Marty [537]
Dedonus [545]
Yakman [554]
Flock [589]

Dedonus: 3
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]

Flockingbird: 1
Wagonlitz [512]

Not Voted: 1
@Emperor Ike

Emperor Ike: 4
Marty [537]
Dedonus [545]
Yakman 554
Flockingbird [589]

Dedonus: 3
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]

Flockingbird: 2
Wagonlitz [512]
Emperor Ike [594]

Emperor Ike: 4
Marty [537]
Dedonus [545]
Yakman 554
Flockingbird [589]

Dedonus: 4
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]
Wagonlitz [512 Flock-> 600]

Flockingbird: 1
Emperor Ike [594]
So Wagon tied Ike and Dedonus at post 600, and at post 601, X:59, urged Ike to save himself by voting Dedo. But earlier, right after I asked everyone if Ike could be a villager, I typed in an unvote Ike/vote Dedonus and waited to see if other people thought Ike refusing to vote Dedonus meant Ike was good or if it was a psych. So when I saw Wagon thought Ike must be good, and that neither Culann (who knew the vote was tight and the deadline near) nor bear had switched off Dedonus, I figured I was wrong about Ike and hit post. Here’s the count for that:
Dedonus: 5
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]
Wagonlitz [512 Flock-> 600]
Flockingbird [589 Ike -> 603]

Emperor Ike: 3
Marty [537]
Dedonus [545]
Yakman 554

Flockingbird: 1
Emperor Ike [594]

Then Ike’s voteswitch at post 604 came through:
Dedonus: 6
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]
Wagonlitz [512 Flockingbird -> 600]
Flockingbird [589 Ike -> 603]
Emperor Ike [594 Flockingbird -> 604]

Emperor Ike: 2
Marty [537]
Yakman [554]

Then Dedonus’ plotter vote was counted at the end?
Dedonus: 7
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]
Wagonlitz [512 Flockingbird -> 600]
Flockingbird [589 Ike -> 603]
Emperor Ike [594 Flockingbird -> 604]
Dedonus [545 Ike -> plotter]

Emperor Ike: 2
Marty [537]
Yakman [554]

Questions.
  1. Were you going for another tie, Wagon? (Aedan cleared Wagon, so he’s not a wolf.)
  2. At what point, and why, did Dedonus vote himself instead of Ike?
Lemme know if I made any mistakes in my tallies. I kept having problems with the scrolling and some bits got c/p in the wrong spoilers—think I got it right but I’m tired.
 
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If Wagon had jumped to Ike and I had stayed on him and nothing else changed, it would have been Dedonus 5 and Ike 4, wouldn’t it? So Dedonus sacrificed himself to prevent a tie with Ike?

Depends on whether our GM allows for conditionals or not.
 
Though a villager sacrificing themselves seems implausible to me.
 
@Culann—am I going crazy? I just posted #628 and you replied fast, it my time count says it happened 55 and 54 minutes ago. That’s the forum being buggy and not me going buggy, isn’t it? :eek: Edit: no, it’s me.

Edit: and where’s the post you quoted? I remember typing that in a draft, but I could swear I didn’t post it—I decided to look at the post counts and see what I could figure out. I am so confused.

Edit: when I click on the post you quoted, it takes me to post 628. I must have posted the draft by accident and edited it, but I don’t know how I did that without noticing. My apologies.

3rd edit: I see I accidentally left out Dedonus’ vote in my (should be spoilered) discussion of post 604.
 
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Since when has tunneling proved productive?
It's not, but you try convincing Yak to not vote Ike.

Ideally we voted Flock, as I'm most certain about her, but I also know Yak.
That's your interpretation of it, spy reports are vague for a reason. I'd love to hear other's thoughts on it.
I wasn't the only one saying it read vil.
Beartjah voted Maw before Team Wombat did. Seems to me it is even less likely Beartjah would put a packmate as a candidate.
True. At that time it was a sole vote, though, so not really dangerous.
decided to look at the post counts and see what I could figure out. I am so confused.
Posts in OT and OT Forum Games don't count.
 
Almost forgot earlier: We are at 7 players remaining, 3 of which are wolves.
Now is the time to tell your full roles, any hidden info you have, etc.
We'll need everything we can get, and we're so far gone that keeping a potential major goodie hidden won't do much good.



I'm a traitless villager, so sadly can't help with any powers.
 
Even if someone comes forward with a witness trait, we cannot go on it. Any splitting of the vote will make us lose. Any wolf claiming any random BS and getting believed for it we lose. Let's not get dazzled by any random claims. We stay on that grind and we get the job done.
 
Ike, Cyms, and MAW were run up day 2, just before the outing, with Ike being pushed one ahead kf Maw and Cyms. If both Ike and Maw are wolves, then the wolves did really poorly in letting two of three front runners be wolves.

Alxeus spy report on Yakman really really reads villager. And doesn't even remotely read wolf.
Based on that yakman most likely is a villager.


We do have rhe spy reports, btw.

We're at parity anyway. The wolves can snipe in a tie or in other ways get an extra kill and win.

As such we shouldn't try and get a tie tonight, but rather have all villagers on the same person. Otherwise we're in trouble.

Do keep in mind we do have those spy reports.
Can you post them for me?
 
Of those then Culann is rhe only one who has a real record against Maw, from what I remember, meaning that the pack probably is
You keep saying this, but keep forgetting that I'm the one who build the case and brought up MAW as a candidate in the first place. I doubt MAW would've even been in contention day 2 without that.
 
The problem with this argument is that the wolves can’t prevent living villagers from voting wolves. And the sole thing making me doubt my assessment of you is you are the D2 voter #3 on MAW.

I have found your posts and arguments confusing. That’s unusual - the Wagon I know outside WW argues straightforwardly; the Wagon I see here argues like a lawyer. I think you’re a wolf, but I’m not sure.

@Culann—why Dedonus rather than Ike?

@beartjah @Yakman —please chime in. I’m more inclined to vote Ike than Dedonus, but I’ve been on Ike and I could be wrong.

Edit: apologies, bear; I forgot you posted already.
Deadline kinda falls awkwardly during 'gaming with friends' time for me, so I'm not really able to chime in during the later stages of the day.

I know you did.
I did see that Flock followed, though...

Also, it's pure process of elimination now.
I would prefer to lynch flock first, but I know Yakman.
In a way it'll be a blessing I'll be hunted tonight, as otherwise Yakman will vote me tomorrow and doom the village.


So yeah, if you're a villager then convince us why Culann is a wolf.

Or alternatively Marty, but Maw almost killed Marty and I think he'd have hung without my switch a couple minutes to deadline.

There are three wolves.

If its not Yak, Marty, or I.
Then it's three of:
Ike
Flock
Bear
Culann


So yeah, please explain why you're the villager out of those 4.
Don't agree on this logic with marty: at the time he was going full zombie mode, and a zombie packmate is just dead weight. As I said earlier in the game, it's not too big of a loss to lose a zombie packmate so scoring goodie points by lynching them is the kind of thing a reasonably competent wolf could do. Doesn't imply he must be a wolf, but the logic for clearing him doesn't add up.