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Tinto Talks #30 - 25th September 2024

Welcome to another Tinto Talks, the time of the week when we give you new information about our entirely super secret upcoming game with the codename Project Caesar.

Today we will talk about how conquest works and how integrating the new locations you have conquered will work. With conquest, we are talking about how you take territory through warfare. For how the actual military campaigns work, I recommend reading Tinto Talks 22, 23 and 24.

Casus Belli
To start a war many feel that you need a casus belli for it, which we will refer to a CB for the rest of this talk. If you lack a CB and start a war you will gain some aggressive expansion and lose some stability. Now while this may not be something you may always want, it is a more lenient way to recover instead of spending precious paper mana like in EU4. However, there are multiple ways to get a CB in this game.

Now, Project Caesar does not have a ‘Fabricate Claim’ button that magically creates a CB on any nation, nor do we have a system of claims, but you have several different options to get a CB.

First of all, there is the super old school way of getting one from an event. This may not cater to everyone's playing style, as it is way too random, but if it was good enough for your parents back in 2001, it is good enough for.. Eh, n/m.

Secondly, we have the option of calling a Parliament and asking them to come up with a valid reason for war against a nearby country. This is powerful, but unless you have a high Crown Power, you may need to negotiate with your Estates for their backing. And Parliaments can not be called every month either, democracy is not even invented yet.

Finally we have the way of creating a CB, when there is a more or less legitimate way to one. First of all, creating a CB on a country requires you to have a spy network in the target country, similar to how claim fabrication works in EU4, but you also need to have some sort of reason to create the type of CB you want. If you let's say play Denmark and want to take back Skåne from Sweden, as you have cores on it, then you can create a ‘Conquer Core’ CB on them, or if they have used Privateers in sea zones where you have a Maritime Presence, you can create another CB on them. There are 50+ different CB you can create depending on circumstances, including everything from ‘Flower Wars’ for countries of Nahuatl religion, ‘Dissolving the Tatar Yoke’ for the tributaries under that International Organization, or ‘Humiliating Rivals’.

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31 allies and subjects for Bohemia, hmmm…

Just remember.. No CB is best CB!


War Goals
Whether you decide that a small border adjustment is needed, or you wish to wage a total war, you need to pick which War Goal you wish to pursue. Different casus belli will allow you to pick different War Goals and the War Goal you pick impacts the cost of conquest as well. A conquer CB will make taking land cheaper, while a ‘humiliation CB will make them more expensive.

A War Goal for a province requires you to occupy that entire province, while a Naval Superiority War Goal will give you a bonus score for blockading the enemy, and defeating their navy if possible.

If your War Goal is fulfilled then the warscore from it ticks up to a maximum of 25, and the total impact from battles in this game can be worth up to 50, while occupations and blockades have no cap and can reach over 100 warscore if possible.

In Project Caesar, therefore, not every war is necessarily a total war like some previous games we have made.

If the War Goal is not fulfilled, it is only possible to get 100% War Score if the winning side controls all of the losing side's locations, and the losing side controls no towns or cities.

This means that if you have your wargoal taken care of, winning some important battles and occupying some land, you will be able to force a reasonable peace on someone.

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Give me liberty or ehh.. annexation?


Integration
So what do you do then, when you have signed a peace and got some new land to your country?

First of all, it is not as simple as a location being a core or not, as Project Caesar introduces a new system of integration for locations. There are four states of integration in this game, first of all the conquered locations, which have a high separatism, lower control, and make pops unlikely to convert or assimilate. This is the state of any location you conquer that is not a core of yours. When a location becomes integrated, separatism drops to one fifth of the previous levels, and control has a higher maximum. When a location becomes a core, the minimum control is higher, and your primary and accepted cultures grow more, while minorities become stagnant. We also have the colonized status, which is after you have colonized a location, and it is not yet a core. A colonized location has lower maximum control.

What is separatism then? Well, it is the reduction of satisfaction for pops that are not of the primary culture. This is very likely to make the locations very unproductive for quite some time.

A location becomes a core automatically if it's integrated OR colonial, and at least 50% of the pops are of the primary or accepted cultures of that country.

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It is beneficial to get your locations to become your cores…

How do you integrate a location then? Well, this is the challenge in Project Caesar, as you do not have any magic paper mana to spend on it, but instead you need to use one of the members of your cabinet to integrate it. At the start of the game, a cabinet member can integrate an entire province at once, but in the Age of Absolutism you have an advance that will let you integrate an entire area at once.

This integration is not instant, but depends on many factors, like the status and the population living in the locations affected, but on average integrating a province may take between 25 and 50 years.

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And what are all of these factors then?


Stay tuned, as in next week's Tinto Talks, we will talk about how peace treaties themselves work, and which ones we have.
 
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When an advisor is integrating a province, do the locations integrate one at a time similar to colonization? Or is it all locations at once, when the task is completed?
 
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I don't understand why/how a cabinet member integrates a province, even as an abstraction.

Why doesn't it happen organically over time as long as the citizens are happy, prospering, and kept in control?
It does happen organically over time too, a cabinet member makes it faster though.
 
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The people being happy doesn't mean that their administrative apparatus is integrated into the state. Take, for example, Serbian conquests of Greece. Usually the administrative approach was "leave the administration of the place in Greek hands", with very little influence from the state proper. The result was that Greece was not following the same principles of governance, not following the same laws, not using the same language of administration as the rest of the Serbian Empire.

An integrated part of your country isn't just because the people there are happy for a while. It's because you actually put in the effort to convert the previous administrative apparatus in that region to that of your state, rather than whatever they were doing previously.

Which is also why the culture and religion of the location conquered matters so much: the closer in similarity the preexisting administration was to your own state, the easier it is to migrate those systems over. Still takes time, though.
This makes sense. So you're saying that the cabinet member is a proxy for administrators combining the legal and tax systems of state?

I feel a bit better about it now. But I think it should happen slowly without a dedicated cabinet member, and faster with one.
 
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I really hope warscore works a bit different in this game than in EU4, and that it's at least a soft cap (i.e. you can take more than 100% warscore in a peace deal, but you gain twice the AE for example). Or it would be nice if we just had a full annexation CB/peace deal in EU5 for certain scenarios maybe.

Having to wage 5 wars against a large country to entirely conquer it instead of just annexing it after 1 war in which you've 100% occupied it and annihilated all its armies is one of the least favourite aspects of EU4 for me, so I hope it's different in Project Caesar.
 
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It does seem a little weird that you could conceivably conquer a marginal province at the beginning of the game and never integrate it at all. Maybe provinces could integrate on their own with a super long timer, like 200-250 years.
 
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This makes sense. So you're saying that the cabinet member is a proxy for administrators combining the legal and tax systems of state?

I feel a bit better about it now. But I think it should happen slowly without a dedicated cabinet member, and faster with one.
Johan confirmed that the integration process continues even if your Cabinet Member dies (and there isn't a new one?) so I'd assume that is how it will work.
 
It does happen organically over time too, a cabinet member makes it faster though.
Doesn't sound like it to me:

'How do you integrate a location then? Well, this is the challenge in Project Caesar, as you do not have any magic paper mana to spend on it, but instead you need to use one of the members of your cabinet to integrate it.'
 
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Can you take individual locations and not a whole province if you want? Sometimes you just need only a few locations in a province for map-painting purposes... can we do that if we choose to?
 
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Doesn't sound like it to me:

'How do you integrate a location then? Well, this is the challenge in Project Caesar, as you do not have any magic paper mana to spend on it, but instead you need to use one of the members of your cabinet to integrate it.'
Johan has mentioned it in the comments:
If cabinet member dies, all that happens is that the progress is a bit slower until you assign a new member.. that is true for ALL cabinet actions.
 
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Johan confirmed that the integration process continues even if your Cabinet Member dies (and there isn't a new one?) so I'd assume that is how it will work.
Cabinet actions continue if the cabinet member dies (at a reduced efficiency), but that cabinet action still takes up that cabinet member slot. So, you're still spending a cabinet member.

You (as far as I can tell) do not integrate locations naturally over time.
 
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Can you take individual locations and not a whole province if you want? Sometimes you just need only a few locations in a province for map-painting purposes... can we do that if we choose to?
I'm pretty sure this was confirmed on an earlier tinto talk, can't remember exactly which post it was though.
 
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Interesting. I see the mention of general religious CBs and Flower Wars in particular; if that also means things like the Iberian struggle and the Thirty Years' War, it sounds like it might be your nation's religious leaders giving you a quest to fight against [X], not unlike the original missions in EU3 and launch EU4.
 
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