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Wagonlitz said:
That sounds like an extremely good idea, and something I had been considering too.
We can make mines?
How do those work?
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Two-stage missiles with no engine. Set it to deploy the warheads on enemy proximity.

No engine, so it can't run out of fuel and get removed from the map.

Just shove them out the airlock one at a time.
 
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Avernite said:
The Honor Harrington series has taught me this is a good idea.
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What's that series? An Aurora AAR?

blue emu said:
Two-stage missiles with no engine. Set it to deploy the warheads on enemy proximity.

No engine, so it can't run out of fuel and get removed from the map.

Just shove them out the airlock one at a time.
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Won'øt they detonate on us?
 
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Actually, it looks like mines were broken (non-functional) in 2021.

Not sure if they're fixed yet. We'll see.
 
blue emu said:
Our shipyard will be re-tooled for Diplomat II class contact ships in less than three months.
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What does this design look like?
 
So far so good. We know where they are, they don't seem to know where we are.

They may be faster but we have time to gather intelligence and prepare.
 
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blue emu said:
Actually, it looks like mines were broken (non-functional) in 2021.

Not sure if they're fixed yet. We'll see.
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Do you know how exactly they were broken? Because if it's in a way that's easy to test, we should test it.
 
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randakar said:
What does this design look like?
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Civilian engines. All civilian sensors except for the Elint module.

Diplomat II class Diplomatic Ship 5,432 tons 123 Crew 1,132.5 BP TCS 109 TH 800 EM 0
7364 km/s Armour 1-27 Shields 0-0 HTK 32 Sensors 24/24/0/0 DCR 4-7 PPV 0
Maint Life 2.44 Years MSP 521 AFR 59% IFR 0.8% 1YR 121 5YR 1,813 Max Repair 300 MSP
Captain Control Rating 1 BRG DIP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months Morale Check Required

2021 CIV SCAM Drive EP800.0 HS-50 P-50 (1) Power 800 Fuel Use 2.37% Signature 800 Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres Range 69.9 billion km (109 days at full power)

2027 CIV Search Sensor AS88-R100 (1) GPS 4800 Range 88.9m km Resolution 100
2027 CIV PD Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1) GPS 48 Range 19.1m km MCR 1.7m km Resolution 1
2018 CIV EM Sensor EM1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km
2025 CIV Thermal Sensor TH1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km
ELINT Module (1) Sensitivity 14 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 29.6m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Diplomatic Ship for auto-assignment purposes

There is also a stripped-down civilian version with no Elint capability.

Diplomat III class Diplomatic Ship 4,553 tons 93 Crew 775.5 BP TCS 91 TH 800 EM 0
8785 km/s Armour 1-24 Shields 0-0 HTK 21 Sensors 24/24/0/0 DCR 1-2 PPV 0
MSP 106 Max Repair 300 MSP
Captain Control Rating 1 BRG DIP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months

2021 CIV SCAM Drive EP800.0 HS-50 P-50 (1) Power 800 Fuel Use 2.37% Signature 800 Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres Range 83.3 billion km (109 days at full power)

2027 CIV Search Sensor AS88-R100 (1) GPS 4800 Range 88.9m km Resolution 100
2027 CIV PD Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1) GPS 48 Range 19.1m km MCR 1.7m km Resolution 1
2018 CIV EM Sensor EM1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km
2025 CIV Thermal Sensor TH1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Diplomatic Ship for auto-assignment purposes
 
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randakar said:
Do you know how exactly they were broken? Because if it's in a way that's easy to test, we should test it.
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No clear idea, no.

... but we can still set up some tests.

We can even deploy a minefield and then just hope that it works.

We try things. Sometimes they work.
 
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How about a Beam defense base?


Manticore class Jump Point Defence Base 35,293 tons 1,152 Crew 20,715.9 BP TCS 706 TH 0 EM 8,580
1 km/s Armour 10-95 Shields 286-670 HTK 349 Sensors 24/168/0/0 DCR 30-8 PPV 367.86
Maint Life 4.76 Years MSP 28,505 AFR 332% IFR 4.6% 1YR 2,069 5YR 31,033 Max Repair 1872 MSP
Commander Control Rating 1 BRG
Intended Deployment Time: 48 months Morale Check Required

Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres Range N/A
2023 Xi S286 / R670 Shields HS-32 (1) Recharge Time 670 seconds (0.4 per second)

Quad 2009 30cm C8 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (3x4) Range 480,000km TS: 12500 km/s Power 96-32 RM 60,000 km ROF 15
2025 Particle Lance-24 320k RoF-40 (3) Range 320,000km TS: 8,000 km/s Power 75-10 ROF 40
2027 Quad 20cm C10 Soft X-ray Laser Turret (3x4) Range 480,000km TS: 25000 km/s Power 40-40 RM 60,000 km ROF 5
2021 Quad 2021 Gauss Cannon R500-100 Turret (3x20) Range 50,000km TS: 25000 km/s Power 0-0 RM 50,000 km ROF 5
2016 PD Beam Fire Control R240-TS25000 (20%) MW (1) Max Range: 240,000 km TS: 25,000 km/s ECCM-3 96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58
2016 DP Beam Fire Control R480-TS25000 (20%) MW (4) Max Range: 480,000 km TS: 25,000 km/s ECCM-3 98 96 94 92 90 88 85 83 81 79
Solid-core Anti-matter Power Plant R89 (3) Total Power Output 267.8 Exp 5%

2018 Active Search Sensor AS252-R14 (1) GPS 20160 Range 252.8m km Resolution 14
2018 Active Search Sensor AS69-R1 (1) GPS 624 Range 69m km MCR 6.2m km Resolution 1
2025 CIV Thermal Sensor TH1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km
2018 EM Sensor EM7-168 (1) Sensitivity 168 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 102.5m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Warship for auto-assignment purposes


Ten layers of armor. The biggest shield that we can produce. Three each of Particle Lance, Quad 30cm turret, Quad 20cm DP Turret, Quad Gauss Cannon Turret.

That's 39 guns. Each tier (but not each turret) has a seperate DP Fire control. Several years worth of repair parts.
 
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Missile Base


Griffon class Jump Point Defence Base 19,885 tons 602 Crew 5,536.4 BP TCS 398 TH 0 EM 8,580
1 km/s Armour 10-65 Shields 286-670 HTK 165 Sensors 24/168/0/0 DCR 14-7 PPV 136.56
Maint Life 4.20 Years MSP 2,936 AFR 226% IFR 3.1% 1YR 267 5YR 4,008 Max Repair 672 MSP
Magazine 1,865 / 0
Captain Control Rating 3 BRG ENG CIC
Intended Deployment Time: 48 months Morale Check Required

Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres Range N/A
2023 Xi S286 / R670 Shields HS-32 (1) Recharge Time 670 seconds (0.4 per second)

2021 Quad 2021 Gauss Cannon R500-100 Turret (1x20) Range 50,000km TS: 25000 km/s Power 0-0 RM 50,000 km ROF 5
2016 PD Beam Fire Control R240-TS25000 (20%) MW (1) Max Range: 240,000 km TS: 25,000 km/s ECCM-3 96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58

1998 Size 1 Missile Launcher RoF-5 (9) Missile Size: 1 Rate of Fire 5
1998 Size 6.00 Missile Launcher RoF-15 (16) Missile Size: 6 Rate of Fire 15
2029 Missile Fire Control FC136-R16 HS-2 (2) Range 136.5m km Resolution 16 ECCM-5
2018 PD Missile Fire Control FC38-R1 (3) Range 38.3m km Resolution 1 ECCM-3
Dart AMM 2010 1-72k-5.3m-108th (203) Speed: 72,400 km/s End: 1.2m Range: 5.3m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 241/144/72
Penetrator 2027 (277) Speed: 28,000 km/s End: 67.9m Range: 115.8m km WH: 0 Size: 6 TH: 93/56/28

2027 CIV PD Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1) GPS 48 Range 19.1m km MCR 1.7m km Resolution 1
2022 Active Search Sensor AS134-R11 HS-10 (1) GPS 5280 Range 134.7m km Resolution 11
2025 CIV Thermal Sensor TH1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km
2018 EM Sensor EM7-168 (1) Sensitivity 168 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 102.5m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Warship for auto-assignment purposes
 
Fighter Base,


Basilisk class Jump Point Defence Base 22,755 tons 387 Crew 4,888.7 BP TCS 455 TH 0 EM 8,580
1 km/s Armour 10-71 Shields 286-670 HTK 138 Sensors 24/24/0/0 DCR 21-9 PPV 31.56
Maint Life 4.66 Years MSP 3,319 AFR 197% IFR 2.7% 1YR 250 5YR 3,743 Max Repair 672 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 8,000 tons Magazine 1,760 / 0
Captain Control Rating 3 BRG ENG PFC
Intended Deployment Time: 48 months Flight Crew Berths 160 Morale Check Required

Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres Range N/A
2023 Xi S286 / R670 Shields HS-32 (1) Recharge Time 670 seconds (0.4 per second)

2021 Quad 2021 Gauss Cannon R500-100 Turret (1x20) Range 50,000km TS: 25000 km/s Power 0-0 RM 50,000 km ROF 5
2016 PD Beam Fire Control R240-TS25000 (20%) MW (1) Max Range: 240,000 km TS: 25,000 km/s ECCM-3 96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58

Penetrator 2027 (293) Speed: 28,000 km/s End: 67.9m Range: 115.8m km WH: 0 Size: 6 TH: 93/56/28

2027 CIV PD Search Sensor AS19-R1 (1) GPS 48 Range 19.1m km MCR 1.7m km Resolution 1
2022 Active Search Sensor AS134-R11 HS-10 (1) GPS 5280 Range 134.7m km Resolution 11
2025 CIV Thermal Sensor TH1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km
2018 CIV EM Sensor EM1.0-24.0 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 38.7m km

Strike Group
31x X-Wing VI Strikefighter Speed: 29883 km/s Size: 5.14

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Carrier for auto-assignment purposes
 
Comments on the three types of jump point defense bases?

The Fighter base can of course be loaded with FACs instead. Or even boarding shuttles.

Bear in mind the vulnerability of Sabres to missile fire, though.

They have ZERO defense against it. Fighters at least are ten times smaller and twice as fast.
 
I hate the idea of reducing the number of missiles on a Fighter from three to two - and especially so if we are already reducing the number of warheads per missile by 50% - but I have to point out that our current Fighters (X-Wing VI) are less than 10,000 kps faster than those alien ships we saw... and there's no guarantee that those are the fastest ships that we'll meet!

Do we need faster Fighters?

Dropping one missile out of three will speed them up to the point of being 15,000 kps faster than our potential opponents, and will also allow us to double the strike range (from 175 m-km radius to 350 m-km radius), to increase the number of strike craft in a squadron from 31 to 36, and also to include a RADAR-equipped AWACS Fighter along with the strike, to direct (on the spot) any strikes that take place beyond the RADAR coverage of our fleet or base.
 
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The bases are interesting but should we also consider building 40000 ton ships?

How large is the jump point landing zone? How much range does a jump point fortress actually need? Do I understand it correctly that you get 40 seconds of defenceless target after they jump in?
 
RobbieAB said:
The bases are interesting but should we also consider building 40000 ton ships?

How large is the jump point landing zone? How much range does a jump point fortress actually need? Do I understand it correctly that you get 40 seconds of defenceless target after they jump in?
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The bases can probably be built faster and they carry much more firepower-per-ton since they have no engines or fuel.

But yes, we'll be building ships as well.

At high tech, the landing zone can be a million km radius or more. At our tech, maybe half of that.

But it's random. They might appear very close to the jump point. Or far away.

The jump shock delay is (or WAS) random as well, but at least 40 seconds.
 
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RobbieAB said:
Also, in the 52.5cm laser worth considering? It will make a serious mess of any unshielded ships jumping in with a single shot, surely?
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If they appear within close or medium range.

It represents a lot of tonnage, though, and fires very slowly.

Very, very slowly. The Quad 30cm gets off TWELVE shots (four barrels x three shots each) for each SINGLE Spinal Mount shot.

Still, I can check and see what would need to be dropped from the design to fit in a Spinal Mount.
 
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