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Tinto Maps #9 - 5th of July 2024 - Carpathia and the Balkans

Greetings, and welcome to another Tinto Maps! This week we will be taking a look at Carpathia and the Balkans! It will most likely be an interesting region to take a look at, with a lot of passion involved… So I’ll just make an initial friendly reminder to keep a civil discussion, as in the latest Tinto Maps, as that’s the easiest way for us to read and gather your feedback, and improve the region in a future iteration. And now, let’s start with the maps!

Countries:
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Carpathia and the Balkans start in a very interesting situation. The Kingdom of Hungary probably stands as the most powerful country in 1337, but that only happened after the recovery of the royal power enforced by Charles I Robert of the House of Anjou, who reined in the powerful Hungarian nobility. To the south, the power that is on the rise is the Kingdom of Serbia, ruled by Stefan Uroš IV Dušan, who has set his eyes on his neighbors to expand his power. The Byzantine Empire, meanwhile, is in a difficult position, as internal struggles ended in Andronikos III being crowned sole emperor, at the cost of dividing the realm; both Serbia and Bulgaria have in the past pressed over the bordering lands, while the Ottomans have very recently conquered Nicomedia. The control over the Southern Balkans is also very fractioned, with a branch of the Anjou ruling over Albania, the Despotate of Epirus under the nominal rule of Byzantium as a vassal, Athens, Neopatria and Salona as vassals of the Aragonese Kings of Sicily, Anjou protectorates over Achaia and Naxos, and only nominal Byzantine control over Southern Morea. It’s also noticeable the presence of the Republics of Venice and Genoa, which control several outposts over the Adriatic and Aegean Seas. A final note: in previous maps, Moldavia was shown in the map, but we’ve removed it from it, and it will most likely spawn through a chain of events in the 1340s.

Dynasties:
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The House of Anjou rules over Naples, Hungary, Albania, Achaia, and Cephalonia; they’re truly invested in their push for supremacy over the region. Apart from that, each country is ruled by different dynasties, except for Athens and Neopatria, ruled by the House of Aragón-Barcelona.

Locations:
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This week we’re posting the general map of the region, along with some more detailed maps, that can be seen if you click on the spoiler button. A starting comment is that the location density of Hungary is noticeably not very high; the reason is that it was one of the first European maps that we made, and we based it upon the historical counties. Therefore, I’m already saying in advance that this will be an area that we want to give more density when we do the review of the region; any help regarding that is welcome. Apart from that, you may notice on the more detailed maps that Crete appears in one, while not being present in the previous one; because of the zooming, the island will appear next week along with Cyprus, but I wanted to make an early sneak peek of the locations, given that is possible with this closer zoom level. Apart from that, I’m also saying in advance that we will make an important review of the Aegean Islands, so do not take them as a reference for anything, please.

Provinces:
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Provinces! Nothing outstanding to be commented on here; as usual, we’re open to any feedback regarding them.

Terrain:
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Terrain! The climate of the region is mostly divided between Continental and Mediterranean, with some warmer and some colder regions. Regarding the topography, the Carpathian mountains are famously important and strategic, while the Balkans are a quite hilly and mountainous region, which is also greatly covered by woods and forests.

Cultures:
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Here comes the fun part of the DD: The cultural division of the Balkans! A few comments:
  1. Hungary is full of different minorities. Transylvania, especially, is an interesting place: there we have a mix of ‘Hungarians’, ‘Transylvanians’ (which are the Romanian-speaking inhabitants of the region), ‘Transylvanian Germans’, and ‘Szekely’ people.
  2. We have divided the Southern Slavic-speaking region into their dialectal families of Slovene, Croatian, Bosnian, and Serbian.
  3. The Southern Balkans are mostly divided among Bulgarian, Albanian, and Greek cultures.
  4. We’re also portraying plenty of other cultures, such as Dalmatians, Aromanians, Sclavenes, Arvanites, Cumans, Jasz, or Ashkenazi and Romanyoti Jews.

Religions:
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This one is also interesting. Apart from the divide between Western Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, we have the Krstjani in Bosnia, Bogomils (the pink stripes both in Bosnia and Macedonia), and Paulicians in Thrace. The Jewish populations do not pass the threshold percentage to appear on the map, but there are plenty of communities across the region.

Raw Materials:
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The materials of the region. Something very noticeable is the richness of minerals, with plenty of Iron, Copper, Tin, Lead, Gold, and Silver. Specifically, Slovakia is very rich, and you definitely want more settlers to migrate to the region, and exploit its resources. The region is also very rich in agricultural resources, as you can see.

Markets:
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The region is mostly divided among four markets: Venice, Pest, Ragusa and Constantinople.

Country and Location population:
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Country and location population (which I’ve also sub-divided, and is under the Spoiler button).

And that’s all of today! I hope that you find the region interesting; we certainly think that it is. Next week we will go further south, and we will take a look at the Syrian Levant and Egypt. Cheers!
 
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The latest bit of info on Moldavia was a bit late. And we should just remind them on our latest consensus on the borders between Serbia, Bulgaria and the Eastern Roman Empire. As Bukelon doesn't seem to be Byzantine, and Ahtopol doesn't seem to be Bulgarian, either.

And such 'mistakes' are fine, as long as we post good, constructive feedback about it this coming Monday. So, people shouldn't lose hope or anything, but just prepare their feedback to be concise and practical.
 
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The latest bit of info on Moldavia was a bit late. And we should just remind them on our latest consensus on the borders between Serbia, Bulgaria and the Eastern Roman Empire. As Stanimaka doesn't seem to be Byzantine, and Ahtopol doesn't seem to be Bulgarian, either.

And such 'mistakes' are fine, as long as we post good, constructive feedback about it this coming Monday. So, people shouldn't lose hope or anything, but just prepare their feedback to be concise and practical.
maybe what they showed isnt the complete balkan feedback build?
 
The latest bit of info on Moldavia was a bit late. And we should just remind them on our latest consensus on the borders between Serbia, Bulgaria and the Eastern Roman Empire. As Bukelon doesn't seem to be Byzantine, and Ahtopol doesn't seem to be Bulgarian, either.

And such 'mistakes' are fine, as long as we post good, constructive feedback about it this coming Monday. So, people shouldn't lose hope or anything, but just prepare their feedback to be concise and practical.
I agree, this is hardly the last time changes are going to be made in the region. It just makes me wonder what they were doing for so long if no new changes were truly made since the last time we had a map leak. Which actually makes me think this isn't going to be the version we'll be seeing on Monday.
 
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No Bulgarian-Hungarian common border... Time to prepare a page-long paragraph of summaries of comments on the topic to be posted the second the feedback is out.
If they can’t decide between a Bulgaria-Hungary border and a Wallachia-Serbia border, perhaps they should go with option C and keep the wasteland separating all four.:p
 
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If they can’t decide between a Bulgaria-Hungary border and a Wallachia-Serbia border, perhaps they should go with option C and keep the wasteland separating all four.:p
If they can't make the right call on something so obvious and necessary then I don't know what to say, it's insulting at that point. I'd love to be proven wrong, let's hope they beat the charges on Monday. Honestly, the way Moldavia is handled will be the litmus test as to whether or not Project Caesar will give the Balkans anything close to a fair shake.
 
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If they can't make the right call on something so obvious and necessary then I don't know what to say, it's insulting at that point. I'd love to be proven wrong, let's hope they beat the charges on Monday. Honestly, the way Moldavia is handled will be the litmus test as to whether or not Project Caesar will give the Balkans anything close to a fair shake.
Why so dramatic? They may have missed some feedback. Just post it in a constructive way this coming Monday; The feedback-version isn't the final version.
 
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Why so dramatic? They may have missed some feedback. Just post it in a constructive way this coming Monday; The feedback-version isn't the final version.
10 years of disappointment from EU4 have given me trust issues.
 
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10 years of disappointment from EU4 have given me trust issues.
Oh, definitely. I was there, too :p

But we've seen a lot of good things thus far, so let's do our best, too ;)
 
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Why are the Albanians pink? Are they perhaps vassals to Naples or the Byzantines?
I see that they haven't given Muzaka Devoll and Pogradec...
Making them vassals (in all but name) would be VERY unfitting considering shortly after the game starts the Anjous are kicked out of Albania by Topia and parts of Epirus get taken over by people like Shpata.
 
Making them vassals (in all but name) would be VERY unfitting considering shortly after the game starts the Anjous are kicked out of Albania by Topia and parts of Epirus get taken over by people like Shpata.
Can a vassal not rebel against their overlords, though?
That's hardly an excuse
 
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Someone made a post in this very thread going into detail about the various polities of 14th century Moldavia, I see no reason why they can't be in the game but a bunch of small Jurchen tribes which may or may not have even been around during the 14th century can be in the game.
It certainly wouldn't be more awkward than the Jurchen situation, lol
 
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@Zeprion Please for the love of all that's Holy, don't pester Monday's thread with your gigantic walls of text...

:p
 
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