Are you going to remove those sea tiles or add more ports in the area?
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I see the post isn't considered a pinned post(yknow the featured posts and all) @Pavía mind adding it?
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Its kinda funny how many people implored you to rename Muscovy/Muscovite culture but you ignored them in the end. Any reason why?
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I think there should be much less Pomor people and much more Veps. And please no Bjarmian (not proven).Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps feedback review! This week, we will be taking a look at Russia, a very anticipated review (which Johan already advanced in some maps last week).
A note before we start on the area that we've covered in this update. We've focused it on the core Russian lands, plus the Kola Peninsula. This means we've not yet updated the lands of Vyatka and Perm, nor those ruled by the Golden Horde. These will be covered in the future Tinto Maps feedback post, probably the one for the Steppes and Western Siberia. With that said, let's take a look at the list of changes, and then start with maps!
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (153+ 55 Lakes + 6 Wastelands)
- Andomsky Pogost
- Ashevo
- Azeevo
- Badozhsky
- Beloe
- Berezhnyany
- Bernovo
- Bezhanitsy
- Bibirevo
- Bogorodskoye
- Bogorodskoye (Pereyaslavl)
- Bolshevo
- Bor Volgo
- Borisogleb
- Brody (Tver)
- Burga
- Chelmuzhi
- Chuzboy
- Demyanovo
- Drokov
- Dubok
- Dubrovna
- Fomin Gorodok
- Georgevskoye
- Glukhovichi to Perevitska
- Gorodechnya
- Goroditse
- Gruzino
- Ilovna
- Ivangorod
- Izboishchi
- Izdeshkovo
- Izori
- Karniki
- Katyn
- Khakhaly
- Khatun
- Khlepen
- Kholm
- Khotiml
- Khotmyzh
- Khotsy
- Kinerma
- Klepiki
- Knyazhichi
- Knyazhoye
- Koi
- Koloshma
- Koponovo
- Korenevo
- Kosozhichi
- Kozlov
- Ktsyn
- Kubenskoye
- Kulotino
- Kurba
- Kuretsk
- Kurmysh
- Kuzhbal
- Lezhnevo
- Luda
- Lyady
- Lyakhovichy
- Lyuban
- Lyubichi
- Lyubun
- Lyubno
- Maryovo
- Megra
- Megrino
- Meletovo
- Meshchersk
- Mezhutka
- Mikhailovka
- Mikshino
- Mikulino (Tver)
- Moshok
- Mushkov Pogost
- Nadvoitsy
- Nikolo Dor
- Nikol'skoye
- Nizhel'skoye
- Nuorttijärvi
- Obolensk
- Odintsovo
- Opalkova
- Orekhovna
- Ostrechiny
- Pashozero
- Petrovsk
- Podberezye
- Pogoreloye
- Pogostishche
- Poreevo
- Pribuzh
- (Krasnye) Prudy
- (Serebryanye) Prudy
- Pryazha
- Przemysl
- Pustosel
- Putyvl
- Radogosch
- Rakitnya
- Raznezhye
- Revny
- Rogachevo
- Ropsk
- Rozhalovo
- Rzhavets
- Rzheva Pustaya
- Sevsk
- Shal'skii
- Shatur
- Shchuchye
- Shenga-Kurya
- Shoptovo
- Shui
- Sol Velikaya
- Spasskoye
- Spasskoye (Lyskovo)
- Starodub-Votsky
- Sudai
- Suikujärvi
- Sumino
- Svinort
- Svir
- Talitsa
- Tervenichi
- Tesov
- Trufany
- Ust Kuloy
- Valday
- Veliky Porog
- Verba
- Vereya
- Vertyazin
- Verzhavsk
- Vetlitsy
- Vichuga
- Visokoye
- Vlasovo
- Vodlozero
- Vognema
- Volkona
- Volodimerets
- Voronizh
- Vorotynsk
- Vorotynsk (Novosil)
- Vshchizh
- Yeszk
- Yorga
- Zhulino
- Zolotkovo
- Lakes
- Lake Bol'shoye Rovkul'skoye
- Lake Chudzjavr
- Lake Dvin'ye
- Lake Engozero
- Lake Galichkoye
- Lake Gimoly
- Lake Golodnaya Guba
- Lake Goltsovoye
- Lake Imandra
- Lake Kamennoye
- Lake Kenozero
- Lake Kenozero (Near Ladoga)
- Lake Kolozero
- Lake Kolvitskoye
- Lake Konchozero
- Lake Kozhozero
- Lake Kovdozero
- Lake Kovzhskoye
- Lake Kukkureozero
- Lake Lednikovoye
- Lake Leksozero
- Lake Lindozero
- Lake Lizhmozero
- Lake Lokht'yarvi
- Lake Lovozero
- Lake Lyoksmozhero
- Lake Maslozero
- Lake Nero
- Lake Notozero
- Lake Nyuk
- Lake Otradnoye
- Lake Pal'vozero
- Lake Peschanka-To
- Lake Pleshcheyevo
- Lake Pyaozero
- Lake Seletsy
- Lake Seliger
- Lake Sergozero
- Lake Shotozero
- Lake Sredneye Kuyto
- Lake Sumozero
- Lake Suoyarvi
- Lake Syamozero
- Lake Tishkeozero
- Lake Topozero
- Lake Tulos
- Lake Tungudskoye
- Lake Umbozero
- Lake Verkhneye Kuyto
- Lake Volgo
- Lake Vyalozero
- Lake Vygozero
- Lake Yelmozero
- Lake Yenozero
- Lake Zhizhitskoye
- Wastelands
- Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
- TAGs (15)
- Fomin-Berezuesk
- Galich-Mersky
- Gorodets
- Klin
- Kozelsk
- Novgorod-Seversky
- Pronsk
- Rylsk
- Starodub
- Suzdal
- Tarusa
- Uglich
- Vladimir
- Yuriev-Polsky
- Zubtsov
- Characters
- fmb_fyodor_konstantinovich_krasny
- glm_davyd_konstantinovich_rurik
- glm_fyodor_davydovich_rurik
- glm_ivan_fyodorovich_rurik
- kch_mstislav_mikhailovich_rurik
- kch_svyatoslav_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_panteleimon_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_vasily_panteleimonovich_rurik
- kch_andrei_mstislavich_rurik
- kzk_titus_mstislavich_rurik
- mos_sophia_yuriovna_rurik
- prk_alexander_mikhailovich_rurik
- prk_mikhail_yaroslavich_rurik
- prk_yaroslav_alexandrovich_rurik
- rya_konstantin_romanovich_rurik
- rya_yaroslav_romanovich_rurik
- tve_konstantin_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_yuri_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_konstantin_yurievich_rurik
- yrv_yaroslav_ivanovich_rurik
- Dynamic Names
- Added tons of Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Cultures
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
- Aksentevo to Berezovets
- Alexandrov to Alexandrovskaya Sloboda
- Ardatovo to Sergach
- Beloye to Lipno (Lipnaya Gorka)
- Belinsky to Chembar
- Bezhetsk to Gorodetsk
- Bolshoy Dvor to Ozerevo
- Bolshoye Ignatovo to Altyshevo
- Cheltsa to Kobyl'e
- Cherepovets to Cherepoves
- Dalen Olina to Dalniye Zelenstsy
- Demyansk to Demon
- Dyatkovo to Foshnya
- Grad Mersky to Galich
- Hotoshino to Khotoshino
- Kaduy to Nikol'skoye
- Karhumagi to Karhumägi
- Kashkaransj to Kashkarantsy
- Kexholm to Korela
- Kharkiv to Donetsk
- Khoza to Zaostrovskoye
- Kildon to Kiltinä
- Koivisto to Beryozovskoye
- Kolgaczich to Unezhma
- Koporje to Kopor'ye
- Korop to Melnya
- Kovoda to Kovda
- Kovrov to Rozhdestveno
- Kurovskoye to Rogozh
- Lahdenpohja to Kurkijoki
- Laptevo to Lopasnya
- Lekanstroj to Akkala
- Liissila to Lisino
- Likhoslavl to Mednoye
- Limenda to Pyras
- Lindoserskij to Lindjärvi
- Lokot to Boldyzh
- Loymola to Loimola
- Luskoje to Staropolye
- Lyudinovo to Fominichi
- Mafelskoj to Maaselkä
- Makaryev to Unzha
- Malaya Shuika to Maloshuyka
- Maly Arkhangelsky to Tagin
- Markkova to Markobo
- Maselskiij to Maselga
- Mena to Snovsk
- Michurinsk to Kozlov
- Mökhö to Möhkö
- Molouskoj to Mootka
- Morshansk to Morsha
- Nev to Nebolchi
- Noginsk to Vokhna
- Nöteborg to Oreshek
- Nyen to Neva
- Okulovka to Lyubytino
- Onegaborg to Shuya
- Onega Peninsula to Nyonoksa
- Opoka to Zaplyusye
- Oryol to Zvenigorod
- Paaanajärvi to Paanajärvi
- Padanskij to Puatane
- Panoimskoj to Panoi
- Parfino to Nalyuchi
- Peszenskoj to Luujärvi
- Petrovskoye to Izberdey
- Petzinka to Pechenga
- Pialiska to Pyalitsa
- Pienika to Pieninka
- Plaskoye to Gogol
- Pochinok to Belik
- Podporozhye to Vinnitsy
- Podyuga to Charonda
- Porchov to Porkhov
- Poretskoye to Atrat
- Prokhorovka to Muzhech
- Riistina to Ristiina
- Rugosenskoj to Rukajärvi
- Sarai to Kazari
- Seletskij to Sellinkylä
- Sem Ostronoj to Semiostrov
- Semtsejerskij to Semčojärvi
- Serdobsk to Serdobinskaya
- Seredyna-Buda to Znobov
- Sergiyev Posad to Yanovo
- Shakhanovka to Krasavino
- Shenkursk to Vaga
- Shugozero to Spirkovo
- Sigovets to Vazhiny
- Sokol to Arkhangelskoye
- Soligalich to Sol' Galichskaya
- Soma to Saarijoki
- Sonoshinskoi to Sumsky Posad
- Spasskij to Vygozero
- Stanovoye to Ploskoye
- Starababa to Olenitsa
- Stupino to Koshira
- Suenokele to Suonikylä
- Svetenoes to Svyatoy Nos
- Taldom to Dubna
- Trelina to Tetrino
- Tsareva to Vekshenga
- Tunga to Tunkuo
- Tutayev to Romanov
- Tyrö to Martyshkino
- Uhtua to Uhtuo
- Ust-Shonosha to Tavrenga
- Ustyuzhna-Zheleznopolskaya to Ustyuzhna
- Vartsila to Värtsilä
- Vashky to Vashki
- Vaskina Polyana to Staraya Ryazan
- Vesyegonsk to Ves Yogonskaya
- Voigoma to Kriitina
- Volnushki to Luchani
- Volokolamsk to Volok
- Volovo to Terbuny
- Vyazniki to Yaropolch
- Warshiga to Varzuga
- Yagnitsa to Lukoves
- Yegoryevsk to Vysokoye
- Yershichi to Zaroy
- Zadonsk to Teshevka
- Zaozyorye to Ustye
- Zaraysk to Rostislavl-Ryazansky
- Zhizdra to Usty
- Zhizhitsa to Zhizhets
Raw Goods
- Reworked the spread of cultures in the region.
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed several Raw Goods as suggested.
Locations
- Total Review.
- Redrew several Locations.
Countries
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In the first screenshot you can see the wider picture of the region, while in the second, we have the Russian Principalities more in detail. The main change here, besides the additions, is that most of them are now under the Tatar Yoke. Speaking of that, two more screenshots, the first with the IO itself, the second with the lands ruled by Ivan I 'Kalita', Prince of Muscovy:
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The second screenshot is taken playing as Novgorod, which has an elective system to pick its ruler, the current one being Ivan I 'Kalita'; you may see that Pskov and Orshek are subjects of Novgorod, while the other Principalities share with Novgorod a Personal Union under the aforementioned Prince of Muscovy.
Dynasties
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The map of Russia is much clear when you just take into account the ruling dynasties...
Societies of Pops
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A map mode that we hadn't revealed yet when we first presented Russia, as a few more below.
Locations
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Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Russia is in general terms a cold, flat, and forested region. The climate has already been changed to the new standard (1901 distribution). Please let us know any further terrain suggestions for us!
Development
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Another new map, the development one. There's a big difference between the core lands, and the outer ones.
Harbors
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A few interesting harbors here.
Cultures
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Some tweaks here, as we now have Bjarmian, Polatskian, and Smolenskian spreading over the Russian map. It's WIP, so suggestions are welcome.
Languages
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This is our current proposal for Russia, following the feedback received, although take it as non-final. First, there are two Languages, Russian and Ruthenian, both belonging to the Slavic language family. Each of them is divided into two different 'Dialects' (remember, this is a gameplay term, as they're closer to real-life languages), Novgorodian and Russian for Russian, and Belarusian and Ukrainian for Ruthenian. The later terms are a bit modern for 1337, but we wanted to show here clearly what linguistical spheres we wanted to portray; we will gladly receive suggestions to potentially change these names for more flavorish ones if you think so. Finally, the third map is the Court Language, as you may notice because of having Latin over the Livonian and Prussian lands.
Religions
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Not many changes in the religious map mode. The main one is the portrayal of 'Finnish ancient religion' ('Suomalainen muinaisusko'), which we've called in-game 'Muinaisusko'; please let us know if you like this name, as well.
Raw Materials
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I suggest you to make an exercise, and find the differences with the original Tinto Maps...
Markets
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Not many differences, but I thought that a bigger picture wouldn't hurt, as taking a look at another endonym possible with our new flavor system, 'Moskva'.
And that's all for today! We'll be reading your feedback to our feedback review (feedback loop!), and replying to your questions, as usual. The next Tinto Maps will be this Friday, the 13th, about Central America. Aaand, we will be able to have one more Tinto Maps Feedback post before the Christmas break, the one devoted to Levant and Egypt, next Monday, the 16th! Cheers!
Pomor people have assimilated a lot of features of Veps and Karelian
I cant find any prof that Nenets people have lived in those lands.
In Russian chronicles in the 11 century, they lived in Yugra (river Ob), Behind the Ural mountains. It is likely that the process of settling the Pechora tundra by the Nenets took place in the 12th - 14th centuries.
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Why is the border of Ryazan Area so strange?Hello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps feedback review! This week, we will be taking a look at Russia, a very anticipated review (which Johan already advanced in some maps last week).
A note before we start on the area that we've covered in this update. We've focused it on the core Russian lands, plus the Kola Peninsula. This means we've not yet updated the lands of Vyatka and Perm, nor those ruled by the Golden Horde. These will be covered in the future Tinto Maps feedback post, probably the one for the Steppes and Western Siberia. With that said, let's take a look at the list of changes, and then start with maps!
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (153+ 55 Lakes + 6 Wastelands)
- Andomsky Pogost
- Ashevo
- Azeevo
- Badozhsky
- Beloe
- Berezhnyany
- Bernovo
- Bezhanitsy
- Bibirevo
- Bogorodskoye
- Bogorodskoye (Pereyaslavl)
- Bolshevo
- Bor Volgo
- Borisogleb
- Brody (Tver)
- Burga
- Chelmuzhi
- Chuzboy
- Demyanovo
- Drokov
- Dubok
- Dubrovna
- Fomin Gorodok
- Georgevskoye
- Glukhovichi to Perevitska
- Gorodechnya
- Goroditse
- Gruzino
- Ilovna
- Ivangorod
- Izboishchi
- Izdeshkovo
- Izori
- Karniki
- Katyn
- Khakhaly
- Khatun
- Khlepen
- Kholm
- Khotiml
- Khotmyzh
- Khotsy
- Kinerma
- Klepiki
- Knyazhichi
- Knyazhoye
- Koi
- Koloshma
- Koponovo
- Korenevo
- Kosozhichi
- Kozlov
- Ktsyn
- Kubenskoye
- Kulotino
- Kurba
- Kuretsk
- Kurmysh
- Kuzhbal
- Lezhnevo
- Luda
- Lyady
- Lyakhovichy
- Lyuban
- Lyubichi
- Lyubun
- Lyubno
- Maryovo
- Megra
- Megrino
- Meletovo
- Meshchersk
- Mezhutka
- Mikhailovka
- Mikshino
- Mikulino (Tver)
- Moshok
- Mushkov Pogost
- Nadvoitsy
- Nikolo Dor
- Nikol'skoye
- Nizhel'skoye
- Nuorttijärvi
- Obolensk
- Odintsovo
- Opalkova
- Orekhovna
- Ostrechiny
- Pashozero
- Petrovsk
- Podberezye
- Pogoreloye
- Pogostishche
- Poreevo
- Pribuzh
- (Krasnye) Prudy
- (Serebryanye) Prudy
- Pryazha
- Przemysl
- Pustosel
- Putyvl
- Radogosch
- Rakitnya
- Raznezhye
- Revny
- Rogachevo
- Ropsk
- Rozhalovo
- Rzhavets
- Rzheva Pustaya
- Sevsk
- Shal'skii
- Shatur
- Shchuchye
- Shenga-Kurya
- Shoptovo
- Shui
- Sol Velikaya
- Spasskoye
- Spasskoye (Lyskovo)
- Starodub-Votsky
- Sudai
- Suikujärvi
- Sumino
- Svinort
- Svir
- Talitsa
- Tervenichi
- Tesov
- Trufany
- Ust Kuloy
- Valday
- Veliky Porog
- Verba
- Vereya
- Vertyazin
- Verzhavsk
- Vetlitsy
- Vichuga
- Visokoye
- Vlasovo
- Vodlozero
- Vognema
- Volkona
- Volodimerets
- Voronizh
- Vorotynsk
- Vorotynsk (Novosil)
- Vshchizh
- Yeszk
- Yorga
- Zhulino
- Zolotkovo
- Lakes
- Lake Bol'shoye Rovkul'skoye
- Lake Chudzjavr
- Lake Dvin'ye
- Lake Engozero
- Lake Galichkoye
- Lake Gimoly
- Lake Golodnaya Guba
- Lake Goltsovoye
- Lake Imandra
- Lake Kamennoye
- Lake Kenozero
- Lake Kenozero (Near Ladoga)
- Lake Kolozero
- Lake Kolvitskoye
- Lake Konchozero
- Lake Kozhozero
- Lake Kovdozero
- Lake Kovzhskoye
- Lake Kukkureozero
- Lake Lednikovoye
- Lake Leksozero
- Lake Lindozero
- Lake Lizhmozero
- Lake Lokht'yarvi
- Lake Lovozero
- Lake Lyoksmozhero
- Lake Maslozero
- Lake Nero
- Lake Notozero
- Lake Nyuk
- Lake Otradnoye
- Lake Pal'vozero
- Lake Peschanka-To
- Lake Pleshcheyevo
- Lake Pyaozero
- Lake Seletsy
- Lake Seliger
- Lake Sergozero
- Lake Shotozero
- Lake Sredneye Kuyto
- Lake Sumozero
- Lake Suoyarvi
- Lake Syamozero
- Lake Tishkeozero
- Lake Topozero
- Lake Tulos
- Lake Tungudskoye
- Lake Umbozero
- Lake Verkhneye Kuyto
- Lake Volgo
- Lake Vyalozero
- Lake Vygozero
- Lake Yelmozero
- Lake Yenozero
- Lake Zhizhitskoye
- Wastelands
- Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
- TAGs (15)
- Fomin-Berezuesk
- Galich-Mersky
- Gorodets
- Klin
- Kozelsk
- Novgorod-Seversky
- Pronsk
- Rylsk
- Starodub
- Suzdal
- Tarusa
- Uglich
- Vladimir
- Yuriev-Polsky
- Zubtsov
- Characters
- fmb_fyodor_konstantinovich_krasny
- glm_davyd_konstantinovich_rurik
- glm_fyodor_davydovich_rurik
- glm_ivan_fyodorovich_rurik
- kch_mstislav_mikhailovich_rurik
- kch_svyatoslav_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_panteleimon_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_vasily_panteleimonovich_rurik
- kch_andrei_mstislavich_rurik
- kzk_titus_mstislavich_rurik
- mos_sophia_yuriovna_rurik
- prk_alexander_mikhailovich_rurik
- prk_mikhail_yaroslavich_rurik
- prk_yaroslav_alexandrovich_rurik
- rya_konstantin_romanovich_rurik
- rya_yaroslav_romanovich_rurik
- tve_konstantin_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_yuri_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_konstantin_yurievich_rurik
- yrv_yaroslav_ivanovich_rurik
- Dynamic Names
- Added tons of Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Cultures
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
- Aksentevo to Berezovets
- Alexandrov to Alexandrovskaya Sloboda
- Ardatovo to Sergach
- Beloye to Lipno (Lipnaya Gorka)
- Belinsky to Chembar
- Bezhetsk to Gorodetsk
- Bolshoy Dvor to Ozerevo
- Bolshoye Ignatovo to Altyshevo
- Cheltsa to Kobyl'e
- Cherepovets to Cherepoves
- Dalen Olina to Dalniye Zelenstsy
- Demyansk to Demon
- Dyatkovo to Foshnya
- Grad Mersky to Galich
- Hotoshino to Khotoshino
- Kaduy to Nikol'skoye
- Karhumagi to Karhumägi
- Kashkaransj to Kashkarantsy
- Kexholm to Korela
- Kharkiv to Donetsk
- Khoza to Zaostrovskoye
- Kildon to Kiltinä
- Koivisto to Beryozovskoye
- Kolgaczich to Unezhma
- Koporje to Kopor'ye
- Korop to Melnya
- Kovoda to Kovda
- Kovrov to Rozhdestveno
- Kurovskoye to Rogozh
- Lahdenpohja to Kurkijoki
- Laptevo to Lopasnya
- Lekanstroj to Akkala
- Liissila to Lisino
- Likhoslavl to Mednoye
- Limenda to Pyras
- Lindoserskij to Lindjärvi
- Lokot to Boldyzh
- Loymola to Loimola
- Luskoje to Staropolye
- Lyudinovo to Fominichi
- Mafelskoj to Maaselkä
- Makaryev to Unzha
- Malaya Shuika to Maloshuyka
- Maly Arkhangelsky to Tagin
- Markkova to Markobo
- Maselskiij to Maselga
- Mena to Snovsk
- Michurinsk to Kozlov
- Mökhö to Möhkö
- Molouskoj to Mootka
- Morshansk to Morsha
- Nev to Nebolchi
- Noginsk to Vokhna
- Nöteborg to Oreshek
- Nyen to Neva
- Okulovka to Lyubytino
- Onegaborg to Shuya
- Onega Peninsula to Nyonoksa
- Opoka to Zaplyusye
- Oryol to Zvenigorod
- Paaanajärvi to Paanajärvi
- Padanskij to Puatane
- Panoimskoj to Panoi
- Parfino to Nalyuchi
- Peszenskoj to Luujärvi
- Petrovskoye to Izberdey
- Petzinka to Pechenga
- Pialiska to Pyalitsa
- Pienika to Pieninka
- Plaskoye to Gogol
- Pochinok to Belik
- Podporozhye to Vinnitsy
- Podyuga to Charonda
- Porchov to Porkhov
- Poretskoye to Atrat
- Prokhorovka to Muzhech
- Riistina to Ristiina
- Rugosenskoj to Rukajärvi
- Sarai to Kazari
- Seletskij to Sellinkylä
- Sem Ostronoj to Semiostrov
- Semtsejerskij to Semčojärvi
- Serdobsk to Serdobinskaya
- Seredyna-Buda to Znobov
- Sergiyev Posad to Yanovo
- Shakhanovka to Krasavino
- Shenkursk to Vaga
- Shugozero to Spirkovo
- Sigovets to Vazhiny
- Sokol to Arkhangelskoye
- Soligalich to Sol' Galichskaya
- Soma to Saarijoki
- Sonoshinskoi to Sumsky Posad
- Spasskij to Vygozero
- Stanovoye to Ploskoye
- Starababa to Olenitsa
- Stupino to Koshira
- Suenokele to Suonikylä
- Svetenoes to Svyatoy Nos
- Taldom to Dubna
- Trelina to Tetrino
- Tsareva to Vekshenga
- Tunga to Tunkuo
- Tutayev to Romanov
- Tyrö to Martyshkino
- Uhtua to Uhtuo
- Ust-Shonosha to Tavrenga
- Ustyuzhna-Zheleznopolskaya to Ustyuzhna
- Vartsila to Värtsilä
- Vashky to Vashki
- Vaskina Polyana to Staraya Ryazan
- Vesyegonsk to Ves Yogonskaya
- Voigoma to Kriitina
- Volnushki to Luchani
- Volokolamsk to Volok
- Volovo to Terbuny
- Vyazniki to Yaropolch
- Warshiga to Varzuga
- Yagnitsa to Lukoves
- Yegoryevsk to Vysokoye
- Yershichi to Zaroy
- Zadonsk to Teshevka
- Zaozyorye to Ustye
- Zaraysk to Rostislavl-Ryazansky
- Zhizdra to Usty
- Zhizhitsa to Zhizhets
Raw Goods
- Reworked the spread of cultures in the region.
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed several Raw Goods as suggested.
Locations
- Total Review.
- Redrew several Locations.
Countries
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In the first screenshot you can see the wider picture of the region, while in the second, we have the Russian Principalities more in detail. The main change here, besides the additions, is that most of them are now under the Tatar Yoke. Speaking of that, two more screenshots, the first with the IO itself, the second with the lands ruled by Ivan I 'Kalita', Prince of Muscovy:
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The second screenshot is taken playing as Novgorod, which has an elective system to pick its ruler, the current one being Ivan I 'Kalita'; you may see that Pskov and Orshek are subjects of Novgorod, while the other Principalities share with Novgorod a Personal Union under the aforementioned Prince of Muscovy.
Dynasties
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The map of Russia is much clear when you just take into account the ruling dynasties...
Societies of Pops
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A map mode that we hadn't revealed yet when we first presented Russia, as a few more below.
Locations
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Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
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Russia is in general terms a cold, flat, and forested region. The climate has already been changed to the new standard (1901 distribution). Please let us know any further terrain suggestions for us!
Development
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Another new map, the development one. There's a big difference between the core lands, and the outer ones.
Harbors
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A few interesting harbors here.
Cultures
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Some tweaks here, as we now have Bjarmian, Polatskian, and Smolenskian spreading over the Russian map. It's WIP, so suggestions are welcome.
Languages
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This is our current proposal for Russia, following the feedback received, although take it as non-final. First, there are two Languages, Russian and Ruthenian, both belonging to the Slavic language family. Each of them is divided into two different 'Dialects' (remember, this is a gameplay term, as they're closer to real-life languages), Novgorodian and Russian for Russian, and Belarusian and Ukrainian for Ruthenian. The later terms are a bit modern for 1337, but we wanted to show here clearly what linguistical spheres we wanted to portray; we will gladly receive suggestions to potentially change these names for more flavorish ones if you think so. Finally, the third map is the Court Language, as you may notice because of having Latin over the Livonian and Prussian lands.
Religions
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Not many changes in the religious map mode. The main one is the portrayal of 'Finnish ancient religion' ('Suomalainen muinaisusko'), which we've called in-game 'Muinaisusko'; please let us know if you like this name, as well.
Raw Materials
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I suggest you to make an exercise, and find the differences with the original Tinto Maps...
Markets
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Not many differences, but I thought that a bigger picture wouldn't hurt, as taking a look at another endonym possible with our new flavor system, 'Moskva'.
And that's all for today! We'll be reading your feedback to our feedback review (feedback loop!), and replying to your questions, as usual. The next Tinto Maps will be this Friday, the 13th, about Central America. Aaand, we will be able to have one more Tinto Maps Feedback post before the Christmas break, the one devoted to Levant and Egypt, next Monday, the 16th! Cheers!
I think it is better to make it closer to the Ryazan principality border
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I don't now if it fits better here or for the Steppes feedback, but several notes on the Severian lands:
COUNTRIES
LOCATIONS
PPROVINCES
The provinces in the region are not perfect:
I suggest:
AREAS
Areas need an important rework too:
VEGETATION
Much better now, just a couple of corrections needed:
DEVELOPMENT & POPULATION
So I think that these things should be taken into account, Putyvl and Ovruch should have higher development, population and attention within the Kyiv land.
And Chernihiv, Novhorod-Siversky as the capital towns of their duchies:
CULTURES & LANGUAGES
Very good change with the Ruthenian/Russian languages!
But Ukrainian and Belarusian dialects probably should not go too far to the east to Ryazan.
This can be either changed by expanding the Muscovite culture to that lands or by creating a separate culture under Russian language and dialect in that area (it can be called Ryazanian or Verkhovian due to the Verkhovian Duchies, see Upper Oka Principalities article):
This way the dialect/language map would feel more natural:
RAW GOODS
Look great! much more diverse now
Thanks @Pavia and the whole team for your dedication and work!
COUNTRIES
- Novgorod-Seversky should be Novhorod-Siversky to correspond with the respective location and Ukrainian dialect in the game. Also even though there are no exact data about its ruler, but it should be probably also a random Rurikovych Dynasty guy (probably from the Chernihiv branch), not just a random guy
- Kyiv, Halych, Volhynia, Chernihiv, Novhorod-Siversky (at least these, maybe some other too) should pay tribute to the Golden Horde directly, not via Ivan Kalita. I don't know if it is implemented in the Tatar Yoke IO. but Chernihiv, Kyiv, Kursk other Severian duchies had their ows baskaks from the Horde who collected the tribute to the Horde.
LOCATIONS
- Znobov should be Znob - one of the oldest settlements, it was visited in 1457 by Kazimierz IV Andrzej Jagiellończyk
- Please, rename Ripky to Lubech or better make it a separate location. Lubech is an ancient town known since the X century, which hosted Council of Lubech (in 1097). Ripky is just a random village founded centuries later:
- You mentioned renaming Kharkiv into Donetsk, it just looks funny , but I understand that it's due to the Donets river? Is't it in the Steppes?
- I have noticed that Belarusian locations have different transliteration rules:
PPROVINCES
The provinces in the region are not perfect:
- Trubchevsk has a really weird form, while the nearby Kursk is much bigger that the others
- Putyvl belonging to the Trubchevsk province is not natural at all
- Novgorod-Seversky is a Russian transliteration, while everything else is Ukrainian (including the respective location)
I suggest:
- Correct the name of Novgorod-Seversky to Novhorod-Siversky or better to Southern Severia to avoid transliteration bias, together with Starodub to Northern Severia, Trubchevsk to Eastern Severia
- Transfer Putyvl to Southern Severia, where it naturally and historically belongs to (e.g., the prince Igor Svyatoslavovych in 'The Tale of Igor's Campaign' was the prince of Novhorod-Siversky. His wife was waiting for the prince in Putyvl)
- Transfer Kosozhichi and Fatezh from Kursk to Eastern Severia/Trubchevsk
- This way all the provinces will have 6-7 locations and the borders look nice and natural:
AREAS
Areas need an important rework too:
- Firstly, Gomel province should belong to Severia. The Dnipro river makes a perfect natural border between the Black Ruthenia and Severia here. Gomel had been a core holding of Chernihiv for senturies and was considered as Severia too. You portraied it perfectly in the cultures map
- Secondly, Sloboda Ukraine goes way too far to the north and include the lands that has never been Sloboda-Ukraine. This area should be renamed to the Kursk Area.
- Concerning the Sloboda-Ukraine I made a suggestion in the Steppes TM, this is where it belongs:
Lastly, I liked that Kyiv area was called Ukraine, I don't know why you changed it. East/West Dnipro are probably the worst possible options just because there are more historical or flavourful alternatives:- The lands around the Dnipro were never referred to as West/East in chronicles or the people.
- Those were either the Right/Left Bank or just Kyiv Land/Pereyaslav Land (Київська Земля, Переяславська Земля).
- It was definitely referred to as Ukraine already by the 1500s because the name Ucrania firsty appeared in the European (French) travel map, in the mid-XVI century. That means the locals started to call this land Ukraine much earlier, quite early within the game time frame.
- The word Ukraine itself firstly appeared in cronicles of 1189, then 1214 and later on, so there is no problem with calling the area Ukraine, and on the other side Pereyaslav (see the map above)
- That is why I also think that White Ruthenia area can be also called Belarus, as long as this is literally what it means
VEGETATION
Much better now, just a couple of corrections needed:
- no grasslands so far to the north in Polesia
- no sparse in Hlukhiv, I come from this area exactly and that's how it looks like here :
DEVELOPMENT & POPULATION
- It was probably adjusted just by the climate/vegetation, probably development and population should be higher around the duchies' capital locations (Chernihiv, Novhorod-Siversky, they have the lowes development in their duchies).
- Also Putyvl and Ovruch vere quite important centres of the Kyivan land in the first half of the XIV century according to 'Ukraine under the Tatars and Lithuania' (Rusyna O.V.,1998), (pages 32, 33 and 35) and should have higher development and population compared to others:
So I think that these things should be taken into account, Putyvl and Ovruch should have higher development, population and attention within the Kyiv land.
And Chernihiv, Novhorod-Siversky as the capital towns of their duchies:
CULTURES & LANGUAGES
Very good change with the Ruthenian/Russian languages!
But Ukrainian and Belarusian dialects probably should not go too far to the east to Ryazan.
This can be either changed by expanding the Muscovite culture to that lands or by creating a separate culture under Russian language and dialect in that area (it can be called Ryazanian or Verkhovian due to the Verkhovian Duchies, see Upper Oka Principalities article):
This way the dialect/language map would feel more natural:
RAW GOODS
Look great! much more diverse now
Thanks @Pavia and the whole team for your dedication and work!
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Zavolochye is located incorrectlyHello, and welcome to another Tinto Maps feedback review! This week, we will be taking a look at Russia, a very anticipated review (which Johan already advanced in some maps last week).
A note before we start on the area that we've covered in this update. We've focused it on the core Russian lands, plus the Kola Peninsula. This means we've not yet updated the lands of Vyatka and Perm, nor those ruled by the Golden Horde. These will be covered in the future Tinto Maps feedback post, probably the one for the Steppes and Western Siberia. With that said, let's take a look at the list of changes, and then start with maps!
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (153+ 55 Lakes + 6 Wastelands)
- Andomsky Pogost
- Ashevo
- Azeevo
- Badozhsky
- Beloe
- Berezhnyany
- Bernovo
- Bezhanitsy
- Bibirevo
- Bogorodskoye
- Bogorodskoye (Pereyaslavl)
- Bolshevo
- Bor Volgo
- Borisogleb
- Brody (Tver)
- Burga
- Chelmuzhi
- Chuzboy
- Demyanovo
- Drokov
- Dubok
- Dubrovna
- Fomin Gorodok
- Georgevskoye
- Glukhovichi to Perevitska
- Gorodechnya
- Goroditse
- Gruzino
- Ilovna
- Ivangorod
- Izboishchi
- Izdeshkovo
- Izori
- Karniki
- Katyn
- Khakhaly
- Khatun
- Khlepen
- Kholm
- Khotiml
- Khotmyzh
- Khotsy
- Kinerma
- Klepiki
- Knyazhichi
- Knyazhoye
- Koi
- Koloshma
- Koponovo
- Korenevo
- Kosozhichi
- Kozlov
- Ktsyn
- Kubenskoye
- Kulotino
- Kurba
- Kuretsk
- Kurmysh
- Kuzhbal
- Lezhnevo
- Luda
- Lyady
- Lyakhovichy
- Lyuban
- Lyubichi
- Lyubun
- Lyubno
- Maryovo
- Megra
- Megrino
- Meletovo
- Meshchersk
- Mezhutka
- Mikhailovka
- Mikshino
- Mikulino (Tver)
- Moshok
- Mushkov Pogost
- Nadvoitsy
- Nikolo Dor
- Nikol'skoye
- Nizhel'skoye
- Nuorttijärvi
- Obolensk
- Odintsovo
- Opalkova
- Orekhovna
- Ostrechiny
- Pashozero
- Petrovsk
- Podberezye
- Pogoreloye
- Pogostishche
- Poreevo
- Pribuzh
- (Krasnye) Prudy
- (Serebryanye) Prudy
- Pryazha
- Przemysl
- Pustosel
- Putyvl
- Radogosch
- Rakitnya
- Raznezhye
- Revny
- Rogachevo
- Ropsk
- Rozhalovo
- Rzhavets
- Rzheva Pustaya
- Sevsk
- Shal'skii
- Shatur
- Shchuchye
- Shenga-Kurya
- Shoptovo
- Shui
- Sol Velikaya
- Spasskoye
- Spasskoye (Lyskovo)
- Starodub-Votsky
- Sudai
- Suikujärvi
- Sumino
- Svinort
- Svir
- Talitsa
- Tervenichi
- Tesov
- Trufany
- Ust Kuloy
- Valday
- Veliky Porog
- Verba
- Vereya
- Vertyazin
- Verzhavsk
- Vetlitsy
- Vichuga
- Visokoye
- Vlasovo
- Vodlozero
- Vognema
- Volkona
- Volodimerets
- Voronizh
- Vorotynsk
- Vorotynsk (Novosil)
- Vshchizh
- Yeszk
- Yorga
- Zhulino
- Zolotkovo
- Lakes
- Lake Bol'shoye Rovkul'skoye
- Lake Chudzjavr
- Lake Dvin'ye
- Lake Engozero
- Lake Galichkoye
- Lake Gimoly
- Lake Golodnaya Guba
- Lake Goltsovoye
- Lake Imandra
- Lake Kamennoye
- Lake Kenozero
- Lake Kenozero (Near Ladoga)
- Lake Kolozero
- Lake Kolvitskoye
- Lake Konchozero
- Lake Kozhozero
- Lake Kovdozero
- Lake Kovzhskoye
- Lake Kukkureozero
- Lake Lednikovoye
- Lake Leksozero
- Lake Lindozero
- Lake Lizhmozero
- Lake Lokht'yarvi
- Lake Lovozero
- Lake Lyoksmozhero
- Lake Maslozero
- Lake Nero
- Lake Notozero
- Lake Nyuk
- Lake Otradnoye
- Lake Pal'vozero
- Lake Peschanka-To
- Lake Pleshcheyevo
- Lake Pyaozero
- Lake Seletsy
- Lake Seliger
- Lake Sergozero
- Lake Shotozero
- Lake Sredneye Kuyto
- Lake Sumozero
- Lake Suoyarvi
- Lake Syamozero
- Lake Tishkeozero
- Lake Topozero
- Lake Tulos
- Lake Tungudskoye
- Lake Umbozero
- Lake Verkhneye Kuyto
- Lake Volgo
- Lake Vyalozero
- Lake Vygozero
- Lake Yelmozero
- Lake Yenozero
- Lake Zhizhitskoye
- Wastelands
- Divided many Wastelands in more pieces.
- TAGs (15)
- Fomin-Berezuesk
- Galich-Mersky
- Gorodets
- Klin
- Kozelsk
- Novgorod-Seversky
- Pronsk
- Rylsk
- Starodub
- Suzdal
- Tarusa
- Uglich
- Vladimir
- Yuriev-Polsky
- Zubtsov
- Characters
- fmb_fyodor_konstantinovich_krasny
- glm_davyd_konstantinovich_rurik
- glm_fyodor_davydovich_rurik
- glm_ivan_fyodorovich_rurik
- kch_mstislav_mikhailovich_rurik
- kch_svyatoslav_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_panteleimon_mstislavich_rurik
- kch_vasily_panteleimonovich_rurik
- kch_andrei_mstislavich_rurik
- kzk_titus_mstislavich_rurik
- mos_sophia_yuriovna_rurik
- prk_alexander_mikhailovich_rurik
- prk_mikhail_yaroslavich_rurik
- prk_yaroslav_alexandrovich_rurik
- rya_konstantin_romanovich_rurik
- rya_yaroslav_romanovich_rurik
- tve_konstantin_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_yuri_mikhailovich_rurik
- trs_konstantin_yurievich_rurik
- yrv_yaroslav_ivanovich_rurik
- Dynamic Names
- Added tons of Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Cultures
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all locations to standardized form):
- Aksentevo to Berezovets
- Alexandrov to Alexandrovskaya Sloboda
- Ardatovo to Sergach
- Beloye to Lipno (Lipnaya Gorka)
- Belinsky to Chembar
- Bezhetsk to Gorodetsk
- Bolshoy Dvor to Ozerevo
- Bolshoye Ignatovo to Altyshevo
- Cheltsa to Kobyl'e
- Cherepovets to Cherepoves
- Dalen Olina to Dalniye Zelenstsy
- Demyansk to Demon
- Dyatkovo to Foshnya
- Grad Mersky to Galich
- Hotoshino to Khotoshino
- Kaduy to Nikol'skoye
- Karhumagi to Karhumägi
- Kashkaransj to Kashkarantsy
- Kexholm to Korela
- Kharkiv to Donetsk
- Khoza to Zaostrovskoye
- Kildon to Kiltinä
- Koivisto to Beryozovskoye
- Kolgaczich to Unezhma
- Koporje to Kopor'ye
- Korop to Melnya
- Kovoda to Kovda
- Kovrov to Rozhdestveno
- Kurovskoye to Rogozh
- Lahdenpohja to Kurkijoki
- Laptevo to Lopasnya
- Lekanstroj to Akkala
- Liissila to Lisino
- Likhoslavl to Mednoye
- Limenda to Pyras
- Lindoserskij to Lindjärvi
- Lokot to Boldyzh
- Loymola to Loimola
- Luskoje to Staropolye
- Lyudinovo to Fominichi
- Mafelskoj to Maaselkä
- Makaryev to Unzha
- Malaya Shuika to Maloshuyka
- Maly Arkhangelsky to Tagin
- Markkova to Markobo
- Maselskiij to Maselga
- Mena to Snovsk
- Michurinsk to Kozlov
- Mökhö to Möhkö
- Molouskoj to Mootka
- Morshansk to Morsha
- Nev to Nebolchi
- Noginsk to Vokhna
- Nöteborg to Oreshek
- Nyen to Neva
- Okulovka to Lyubytino
- Onegaborg to Shuya
- Onega Peninsula to Nyonoksa
- Opoka to Zaplyusye
- Oryol to Zvenigorod
- Paaanajärvi to Paanajärvi
- Padanskij to Puatane
- Panoimskoj to Panoi
- Parfino to Nalyuchi
- Peszenskoj to Luujärvi
- Petrovskoye to Izberdey
- Petzinka to Pechenga
- Pialiska to Pyalitsa
- Pienika to Pieninka
- Plaskoye to Gogol
- Pochinok to Belik
- Podporozhye to Vinnitsy
- Podyuga to Charonda
- Porchov to Porkhov
- Poretskoye to Atrat
- Prokhorovka to Muzhech
- Riistina to Ristiina
- Rugosenskoj to Rukajärvi
- Sarai to Kazari
- Seletskij to Sellinkylä
- Sem Ostronoj to Semiostrov
- Semtsejerskij to Semčojärvi
- Serdobsk to Serdobinskaya
- Seredyna-Buda to Znobov
- Sergiyev Posad to Yanovo
- Shakhanovka to Krasavino
- Shenkursk to Vaga
- Shugozero to Spirkovo
- Sigovets to Vazhiny
- Sokol to Arkhangelskoye
- Soligalich to Sol' Galichskaya
- Soma to Saarijoki
- Sonoshinskoi to Sumsky Posad
- Spasskij to Vygozero
- Stanovoye to Ploskoye
- Starababa to Olenitsa
- Stupino to Koshira
- Suenokele to Suonikylä
- Svetenoes to Svyatoy Nos
- Taldom to Dubna
- Trelina to Tetrino
- Tsareva to Vekshenga
- Tunga to Tunkuo
- Tutayev to Romanov
- Tyrö to Martyshkino
- Uhtua to Uhtuo
- Ust-Shonosha to Tavrenga
- Ustyuzhna-Zheleznopolskaya to Ustyuzhna
- Vartsila to Värtsilä
- Vashky to Vashki
- Vaskina Polyana to Staraya Ryazan
- Vesyegonsk to Ves Yogonskaya
- Voigoma to Kriitina
- Volnushki to Luchani
- Volokolamsk to Volok
- Volovo to Terbuny
- Vyazniki to Yaropolch
- Warshiga to Varzuga
- Yagnitsa to Lukoves
- Yegoryevsk to Vysokoye
- Yershichi to Zaroy
- Zadonsk to Teshevka
- Zaozyorye to Ustye
- Zaraysk to Rostislavl-Ryazansky
- Zhizdra to Usty
- Zhizhitsa to Zhizhets
Raw Goods
- Reworked the spread of cultures in the region.
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed several Raw Goods as suggested.
Locations
- Total Review.
- Redrew several Locations.
Countries
View attachment 1228092
View attachment 1228093
In the first screenshot you can see the wider picture of the region, while in the second, we have the Russian Principalities more in detail. The main change here, besides the additions, is that most of them are now under the Tatar Yoke. Speaking of that, two more screenshots, the first with the IO itself, the second with the lands ruled by Ivan I 'Kalita', Prince of Muscovy:
View attachment 1228097
View attachment 1228098
The second screenshot is taken playing as Novgorod, which has an elective system to pick its ruler, the current one being Ivan I 'Kalita'; you may see that Pskov and Orshek are subjects of Novgorod, while the other Principalities share with Novgorod a Personal Union under the aforementioned Prince of Muscovy.
Dynasties
View attachment 1228100
The map of Russia is much clear when you just take into account the ruling dynasties...
Societies of Pops
View attachment 1228101
A map mode that we hadn't revealed yet when we first presented Russia, as a few more below.
Locations
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Provinces
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Areas
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Terrain
View attachment 1228108
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View attachment 1228110
Russia is in general terms a cold, flat, and forested region. The climate has already been changed to the new standard (1901 distribution). Please let us know any further terrain suggestions for us!
Development
View attachment 1228111
View attachment 1228113
Another new map, the development one. There's a big difference between the core lands, and the outer ones.
Harbors
View attachment 1228114
A few interesting harbors here.
Cultures
View attachment 1228115
Some tweaks here, as we now have Bjarmian, Polatskian, and Smolenskian spreading over the Russian map. It's WIP, so suggestions are welcome.
Languages
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View attachment 1228118
This is our current proposal for Russia, following the feedback received, although take it as non-final. First, there are two Languages, Russian and Ruthenian, both belonging to the Slavic language family. Each of them is divided into two different 'Dialects' (remember, this is a gameplay term, as they're closer to real-life languages), Novgorodian and Russian for Russian, and Belarusian and Ukrainian for Ruthenian. The later terms are a bit modern for 1337, but we wanted to show here clearly what linguistical spheres we wanted to portray; we will gladly receive suggestions to potentially change these names for more flavorish ones if you think so. Finally, the third map is the Court Language, as you may notice because of having Latin over the Livonian and Prussian lands.
Religions
View attachment 1228124
Not many changes in the religious map mode. The main one is the portrayal of 'Finnish ancient religion' ('Suomalainen muinaisusko'), which we've called in-game 'Muinaisusko'; please let us know if you like this name, as well.
Raw Materials
View attachment 1228128
View attachment 1228129
I suggest you to make an exercise, and find the differences with the original Tinto Maps...
Markets
View attachment 1228130
Not many differences, but I thought that a bigger picture wouldn't hurt, as taking a look at another endonym possible with our new flavor system, 'Moskva'.
And that's all for today! We'll be reading your feedback to our feedback review (feedback loop!), and replying to your questions, as usual. The next Tinto Maps will be this Friday, the 13th, about Central America. Aaand, we will be able to have one more Tinto Maps Feedback post before the Christmas break, the one devoted to Levant and Egypt, next Monday, the 16th! Cheers!
What is called the Pomorye area is the correct Zavolochye
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Why do you call this region Russia? historians use Rus to differ between Kievan Rus/Tsardom of Russia/Russia over time. There's a reason why it's Belarus and not Belarussia in English. Rus/Russia has the same etymology but different associations. Plus Russia don't yet exist.
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Please change terrain around Neva (modern day St. Petersburg) to wetlands. It is widely known that Peter I built a city on a marsh and this became a meme nowadays. And the game should reflect that, considering it is set way before Peter I was born.
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I hope you guys wont swap to weekly feedback format right after finishing off Europe as they got 1 month time or more each
Anyways, we will see by the amount of changes/locations in the changelog next feedback
Anyways, we will see by the amount of changes/locations in the changelog next feedback
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I think the division of East Slavic into two is a bad choice. I fully disagree with it
This will mandate the creation of separate German languages, separate Scandinavian languages, separate Italian languages (like Venetian), and separate Oghuz languages. Wasn't @SaintDaveUK the one who made them a single language? Why there you unite but here you divide? It is unfair
Of course, there is always a possibility to go deeper but that should be equal to all regions. And I think it is already too deep into the division.
Slavic people had little problem communicating with each other and even now there is no problem of understanding Old church Slavonic much less before.
Also, you said in the post that it is too early for it. The spheres you are talking about are not even formed (both Lithuania and Muscovy do not control those territories). It makes it ahistorical. Early Ruthenian is dated from the separation of Lithuanian and Muscovite chancery languages (15th century) to the early 16th century.
From Wikipedia:
According to linguist Andrii Danylenko (2006), what is now called 'Ruthenian' first arose as a primarily administrative language in the 14th and 15th centuries, shaped by the chancery of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania in Vilnius (Vilna). He identified the Polissian (Polesian) dialect spoken on both sides of the modern Belarusian–Ukrainian border as the basis of both written Ruthenian (rusьkij jazykъ or Chancery Slavonic) and spoken dialects of Ruthenian (проста(я) мова prosta(ja) mova or "simple speech"), which he called 'two stylistically differentiated varieties of one secular vernacular standard'.
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How does Novgorod function as a country in-game? Like a PU in EU4? More independently? For what I've seen, it was very independent by these times and should not be represented as too subject to the Muscovites.
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Wouldn't it have been better if you included 1 big sphere "Rus" which then would be chopped into Ruthenian/Muscovite/Novgorodian dialects?
That IMO would be much better representation if as you say Dialects, in-game, are more alike languages.
That IMO would be much better representation if as you say Dialects, in-game, are more alike languages.
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More WIP, lol. We want to review all sea zones at once, at some point, that' why they have that weird shape.
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PUs work differently in Project Caesar, we'll talk more about in a future Tinto Talks.
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Everyone living at that time in the Moscow principality will say that they spoke Russian, what is the Moscovite language? I agree with the different cultures of Novgorod and Moscow, but with a single Russian language.The concept of Muscovy and Muscovites was usually used by the Poles for the cultural alienation of Moscow/Russia from the historical lands of Rus as the next claimants to these lands. The princes of Moscow, Smolensk, Chernigov, Vladimir called themselves Russian people.
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Am I correct assuming that the ruler of the tatar yoke gets a PU with Vladimir? So if Moscow loses the rule, the new ruler steals the PU?
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What about the British Isles Tinto Maps Feedback, any news on when we can expect that?
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