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Tinto Flavour #17 - 13th of May 2025 - Vijayanagar & Indian regional content

Hello, and welcome one more week to Tinto Flavour, the happy Fridays Tuesdays & Fridays in which we take a look at the content of Europa Universalis V!

Today we will talk about three topics: the generic content available for most of the countries in India; the unique content of Vijyanagar; and other regional content available for other Indian countries. A meaty TF, so let’s start without further ado!

Let’s start by talking about the generic content available for Indian countries. There are some reforms, policies, and units that are available to most countries, like these:

Nayankara System.jpg


Poligar.jpg


Paik System.jpg

The Paik System unlocks three types of levies, depending on the age:

Early Paik.jpg

Paik.jpg

Late Paik.jpg

There are also Elephant units:
Elephant Cavalry.jpg

Elephant Auxiliary.jpg

And a building that produces Ivory from Elephants - For those of you not so tuned into the Tinto Maps series, we’re representing African elephants with the Ivory resource, and the Indian elephants with the Elephants resource, so it can be used for units (as Elephants), or for other economic purposes, by transforming it first into Ivory with this building:
Elephant Hunting Grounds.jpg

Advances like:
Saqiyah.jpg

And a unique type of vassalage - The Samanta System, with 3 different subject types:
Samanta Feudalism.jpg

Samanta.jpg

Maha-Samanta.jpg

Pradana-Maha-Samanta.jpg

Finally, let’s take a look at the flavour naming of the states in the Hindu Indian countries:
Indian Estates.jpg



Let’s now take a look at the unique flavour content of Vijayanagar, a country that in 1337 was leading the resistance against the Sultanate of Delhi in Southern India:

The newly founded Mahārājya of Vijayanagar stands strong after the momentous defeat of Delhian troops in the Deccan, with Mahārājā Harihara Sangama and his brother Crown Prince Bukka Raya Sangama leading the fight against the Muslim rulers of India.

Although the Vijayanagari rule has only recently been established, the current situation in the Deccan promises us a rapid rise to power if we can utilize our momentum correctly, as we can secure control over important trade routes between China and Europe, and profit from exporting valuable goods from our resource-rich lands.


Vij Country Selection.jpg

Vijayanagar1.jpg

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Vijayanagar has a unique policy for the Administrative System law:
Vij Rajya.jpg

It also has unique advances, as usual:
Vij City of Victory.jpg

Vij Bunds.jpg

Vij Bund.jpg

Vij Carnatic Music.jpg

And it also has several flavour events, such as:
Vij Prophecy of.jpg

Arirayavibhada.jpg


Administration of the Realm.jpg

Multilingual Court.jpg


Vij Astadiggajas.png

Astadiggajas.jpg

Another country with unique content is Orissa, which has a very interesting setup, with some countries as Samanta subjects:
Ori Country Selection.jpg

Orissa1.jpg


Ori Anka Year.jpg

Ori Elephants.jpg

Ori Elephants 2.jpg

Ori Odia.jpg

We also have unique content for countries such as Bengal, Bahmani, and Pandua. For example, in the first case, it starts as three independent countries, which in the case of unifying the region and forming the Sultanate of Bengal:
Bengal.jpg

Would get contents and events such as:
Pandua.jpg

Finally, we also have a bunch of content for other formable countries, that will work as ‘regional powers’ with unique content such as advances, etc. This is a list of these formables:
  • Deccan
  • Gujarat
  • Hindustan
  • Marathas
  • Mughals
  • Nepal
  • Punjab
  • Rajputana

…But since this Tinto Flavour is already long enough, you’ll have to find out about it when playing our game, as that’s all for today!

Remember that tomorrow there will be a Tinto Talks about Hinduism, Jainism & Sikhism; on Friday a Tinto Flavour about Delhi; and next Monday we will have the Tinto Maps Feedback for India. Cheers!
 
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CCould be interesting alt-hist if Ballala was the one who survived rather than Harihara.
Yeah, Ballala's death and the Sangamas being the ones to lead a resurgent Karnata instead of the Hoysalas was mostly a fluke tbh, if Ballala had not died in battle it is likely the Hoysalas would have seized Madurai and been able to stabilize their situation, continuing their rule over the region. I imagine they're leaving alt-hist for DLC though, and focusing on historical paths first.
 
Do you perhaps have "unique setup of generic content" for places such as the Maldives, for example? Like, it uses only generic content or generic regional flavour, but out of those it has the appropriate set of laws, reforms, privileges, societal values etc.
Taking the Maldives, for example, their societal values should be maritime and trade focused, their court language should be Arabic instead of the common language etc.
Yes, we're trying to do this as much as possible, with a caveat: taking into consideration that we have hundreds of playable countries across the world, so it's just not possible to fine-tune each.
 
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Can you give us a list of those core countries? I know the answer is probably gonna be no :(
Could you at least tell us if it contains any other sub saharan african country other thatn Ethiopia and Mali?
1. No.
2. Yes.
 
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Out of curiosity, why choose Vijayanagar instead of Vijayanagara? Granted I haven't exactly been going through all the literature, but it looks like the latter is more common.
Good question, I think it's EU4 legacy. Open question to the community: Would it be more accurate to change the location and the country name to Vijayanagara? And why?
 
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Is there any content for the Saint Thomas Christians?
We have them as pops in the setup, and there's a Portuguese event about them:
Saint Thomas Christians2.jpg

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Is there going to be any flavor to represent the patronage of Jainism by many Hindu rulers, such as a Jain estate (like in EU4) if they comprise a high enough percentage of the population (maybe 0.5%)? Because, while they were not very politically active, many rulers did grant them special privileges, such as being exempt from Hindu laws. They were also a relevant force economically, because they were mostly concentrated in the middle and upper class. This could also work with the Zoroastrians in Gujarat.
Maybe to keep it more restricted, it could be locked to certain cultures, so Kannada, Marathi, + other South Indian cultures (i.e. where it was historically strong). And for the Zoroastrians, it could only be for Gujarati culture.
If the population number goes too low, there could be an event about whether to keep the estate or not.
 
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Wonderful! Maybe Dehlavi might be preferable to Dehlian?
Just changed it in the two instances in which we were using it, as the culture is also named Dehlavi, thanks!
 
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Wouldn't it be better to use Tamilakam/Tamilagam? Tamil Nadu is a post-independence creation afaik, though "Nadu"s as administrative structures existed back then too.
According to Wikipedia, it was already used in the 12th century, but not sure how accurate/trustworthy the sources are.
 
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@Pavía Are unique advances/events/people etc set in stone? If I was to make a India/Bengal flavour thread and have proper references, would there be a possibility of them being added to the game?
We're mostly looking for adjustments and tweaks right now, but we gladly accept suggestions, because we want to keep developing the game and adding more content in the future, so we're already bookmarking tons of notes and suggestions.
 
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Its interesting to note that the nayankara system wasn't introduced into Vijayanagara's Tamil holdings until after the Valangai-Idangai Revolt (which I hope you guys have content for).

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Also, most of the post-Kakatiya Telugu states should probably have the Nayankara system as well.
We could adjust it to countries of Kannadiga and Telugu culture, if you think it's more accurate that way.
 
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Can you show me the different flavors of Nepal ? Also, please refer to Nepal as an Ādhirājya of Nepal? Historically, Nepal was referred as such after its unification.

I'm curious why the term Mahārājya is used instead of just Rājya. Is Mahārājya meant to indicate a kingdom-level realm, while Rājya is more like a duchy or smaller principality?
We use Rāj for the Duchy level.
 
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Do you guys plan on standardizing the names of countries in the region? Seeing Vijayanagar and Delhi (name of their capital city), and Hoysala (name of their dynasty) next to each other is strange. I'd suggest replacing all dynasty names with place names. For the Hoysalas, the "Kingdom of Karnata" would be a better fit for example, and that would also be more immersive.
We use 'Hoysala Kingdom' as the 'Wikipedia standard', which is the standard we usually use; not only because it's usually a consensual one, but also because we think that it will help our players to find historical information about the countries they may play.
 
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Good question, I think it's EU4 legacy. Open question to the community: Would it be more accurate to change the location and the country name to Vijayanagara? And why?
Vijaynagara since that's the Wikipedia name and so far you have used it for country names in the game
 
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Are these all the formables in India, or are these the ones with unique content?
Formables with content; we have not yet closed the final list of formables, although it will be soon, as we already have a solid list from the TT, so I can't really say how many formables will be available in India.
 
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