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This is the Neutral Zone, where we are in Diplo with the Modrons.

Check out the stack of Creuse and Jemappes class freighters.

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They HAVE to be freighters, right? Civilian engine, 36,000 tons displacement, 2200 kps.

Here. Right this point in the game is where we inadvertently let them declare war on us.

To be fair I'm not sure we had the EM signature in Harmony to support it, but this is when a protection status on Harmony might have prevented them from setting up shop on those comets.

Ah well, we have learned from this. I just hope the Børk won't try something like this in their BNZ -- I guess it helps that we took the juicy mining sites.
Our orbital miners don't have an EM signature or engines, that probably helps too. I recall the impact of refusing to leave is determined by EM signature or something like that, not tonnage of ships detected.
 
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It bugs me that I can't estimate what their diplomatic view of us is doing over the long term, so I've decided to look up the exact rules regarding those 'suggest leave' messages.

Diplomacy Part 2: Intrusion into NPR Territory

In each construction phase, each NPR will determine a value for each known system. In order of ascending importance, the values are: Alien Controlled, Neutral, Claimed, Secondary, Primary, Core, Capital. The value is calculated on a number of different factors, including existing population and installations, whether it is a logistics node, mining potential, terraforming potential and proximity to other important systems. Neutral is the default state for a system in which the NPR has no current interest, while Alien Controlled is a system which the NPR acknowledges is in the territory of another race as a result of accepting a claim from that race (see Part 3).

If you have forces or a population in a system that has at least Secondary value to an NPR, you are detected and you are currently viewed as neutral or friendly, the NPR will issue a warning which will appear as an event. This will still happen even if you haven't detected any NPR forces. You will be notified which fleet or population received the message. If communication has not been established, you will receive notification of an "unintelligible communication of unknown origin". If you have established communication, the text will reflect the severity of the situation.

This communication can be as mild as a suggestion that your forces leave in the near future and as strong as demanding you depart immediately or be fired upon. There are five levels of severity for messages and the one chosen by the NPR primarily depends on the 'Threat Level' (see below), although it may also issue a stronger warning at lower threat levels if the NPR believes that war will soon follow without a player withdrawal.

The threat level is based on three factors; the NPR’s estimate of the value of the system, any status modifiers due to the existing diplomatic relations and the Xenophobia of the NPR. This is calculated as follows:

Threat Level = Base Threat Level * Status Modifier * (Racial Xenophobia / 100)

Base Threat Level
Secondary = 2.5
Primary = 5
Core = 10
Capital = 20

Status Modifiers
Friendly Status = 0.5
Neutral with Diplomatic Points >= 1
Neutral with Diplomatic Points < 0 = 2

In addition to the messages, the threat levels generate a negative impact on diplomatic relations. The penalty in diplomatic points for intrusion into NPR territory is based on the Threat Level above plus the ships and population that the NPR can detect. The calculation for the annual point penalty is as follows:

Diplomatic Point Penalty = SQRT(Total Detected Ship Tonnage + (Total Detected Population EM Signature * 10)) * Threat Level

Each construction phase, the diplomatic penalty applied is equal to the annual penalty multiplied by (Construction Phase Length / Year)

Shipping Line vessels will be ignored for this purpose if a trade treaty is in force. NPRs will treat ships without military engines that have not demonstrated any weapon capability as 10% of their normal tonnage. If at least one ship is detected, the minimum rating for Detected Ship Tonnage will be 1000 tons. If at least one population is detected, the minimum rating for Population EM Signature will be 100. NPRs deduct 10,000 tons from the tonnage of one Diplomatic Ship (see Part 8) per system for threat purposes if that class type has never fired weapons and the Diplomatic Ship is in a non-Core system. If the NPR only has one system, it is not treated as core for this purpose.

This table shows the diplomatic point penalties for different ship tonnages in different value systems, assuming an NPR Xenophobia of 50. For populations, use EM Signature * 10 for ‘Tonnage’.

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The warning message is issued during the first construction phase after detection and repeated during each subsequent construction phase where the violation still exists. Allied Races do not receive warnings as they can freely enter the NPR territory. Hostile races do not receive warnings as they are attacked instead. Trading will allow some exceptions to the rules above and I'll cover that in a future post. I will also cover situations where the NPR considers claiming a system with a large existing player population in the 'Alien Controlled' update.


So the important part of that are these two lines:
Diplomatic Point Penalty = SQRT(Total Detected Ship Tonnage + (Total Detected Population EM Signature * 10)) * Threat Level

Each construction phase, the diplomatic penalty applied is equal to the annual penalty multiplied by (Construction Phase Length / Year)

So: How much ship tonnage can they see in the BNZ? And how big a population EM signature do we have over there?

If we know these two things we can make a guess at how many points we're losing on that one.
 
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Harmony system.

140 missiles have been launched by the Modrons... without a declaration of war!

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Presumably we are the target?

There we are. The start of the Battle for Harmony! Definitely worth a threadmark.
I've reached the point that I wanted to reach. After this basically the entire game revolves around this war.
 
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There we are. The start of the Battle for Harmony! Definitely worth a threadmark.
I've reached the point that I wanted to reach. After this basically the entire game revolves around this war.
Great work @randakar. Will you keep going from here on?
 
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It would probably be a good idea to hand over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a to the Bork, since it is adjacent to the Bork home star system and almost has to be considered Core.

Naturally we would lose access to both the minerals that we are now mining in Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a and also to the star systems beyond that... but we've explored less than a tenth of the map. We don't need to fight a war over a few nice-lookng mineral deposits.

Comments?
 
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It would probably be a good idea to hand over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a to the Bork, since it is adjacent to the Bork home star system and almost has to be considered Core.

Naturally we would lose access to both the minerals that we are now mining in Ze Neetrahl Zoon-a and also to the star systems beyond that... but we've explored less than a tenth of the map. We don't need to fight a war over a few nice-lookng mineral deposits.

Comments?
Live and let live? I don't know. They seem like perfectly good slave material. However, I defer to your judgement.
 
It would probably be a good idea to hand over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a to the Bork, since it is adjacent to the Bork home star system and almost has to be considered Core.

Naturally we would lose access to both the minerals that we are now mining in Ze Neetrahl Zoon-a and also to the star systems beyond that... but we've explored less than a tenth of the map. We don't need to fight a war over a few nice-lookng mineral deposits.

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I agree in principle, just wish we would now the Bork better.
 
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It bugs me that I can't estimate what their diplomatic view of us is doing over the long term, so I've decided to look up the exact rules regarding those 'suggest leave' messages.




So the important part of that are these two lines:


So: How much ship tonnage can they see in the BNZ? And how big a population EM signature do we have over there?

If we know these two things we can make a guess at how many points we're losing on that one.
Do we know if they see us as neutral or friendly?
 
It would probably be a good idea to hand over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a to the Bork, since it is adjacent to the Bork home star system and almost has to be considered Core.

Naturally we would lose access to both the minerals that we are now mining in Ze Neetrahl Zoon-a and also to the star systems beyond that... but we've explored less than a tenth of the map. We don't need to fight a war over a few nice-lookng mineral deposits.

Comments?

Yeah, definitely.
 
It would probably be a good idea to hand over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a to the Bork, since it is adjacent to the Bork home star system and almost has to be considered Core.

Naturally we would lose access to both the minerals that we are now mining in Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a and also to the star systems beyond that... but we've explored less than a tenth of the map. We don't need to fight a war over a few nice-lookng mineral deposits.

Comments?
The issue is whether they then will claim the one one over.
Might he worth it to keep NZ until we're sure next øje can be held.
 
The issue is whether they then will claim the one one over.
Might he worth it to keep NZ until we're sure next øje can be held.
The next one over beyond Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a is the AX Microscopii star system.

That's the one where we've been shipping in Financial Centers for months.
 
Great work @randakar. Will you keep going from here on?

I was planning to stop there since I don't expect any real good stopping points to show up after that. And I've added a lot of threadmarks. I mean, most of the 300 odd pages after that are about that 1 battle. Very little game time compressed into a lot of action there.
Though if I go back through my post history I don't think all of them got threadmarked in the end..

As an aside, my jerx raid count went up to about 15, maybe 16 raids so far.
 
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The next one over beyond Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a is the AX Microscopii star system.

That's the one where we've been shipping in Financial Centers for months.

Yeah, if they acknowledge our claim on that one we should be good I think.
 
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The next one over beyond Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a is the AX Microscopii star system.

That's the one where we've been shipping in Financial Centers for months.
Yeah, but do we have enough yet?
 
Yeah, but do we have enough yet?

It's not an important system for them. They have no colonies there. And the amounts of shipping and population on our end are very high. If emu has been shipping in financial centers for that long it's bound to have a pretty high EM signature, too.

So I'd be suprised if it wasn't.
 
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AX Microscopii (the next star system over from Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a)

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To make certain, we could station a bunch of our warships there to balance any military force that the Bork might send in to boost their own numbers.

The drawback of this, of course, is that if and when the Bork declare war they will probably wipe out any military detachment that we have stationed there.

... I suppose the Harmony star system put up a heroic resistance. Bugeyes can do so as well.

Should we rename the AX Microscopii star system to something that rolls off the tongue a bit more fluently?

We could call it Contact, since after handing over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a, that's the point where our two empires would contact.
 
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To make certain, we could station a bunch of our warships there to balance any military force that the Bork might send in to boost their own numbers.

The drawback of this, of course, is that if and when the Bork declare war they will probably wipe out any military detachment that we have stationed there.

... I suppose the Harmony star system put up a heroic resistance. Bugeyes can do so as well.

Should we rename the AX Microscopii star system to something that rolls off the tongue a bit more fluently?

We could call it Contact, since after handing over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a, that's the point where our two empires would contact.
Since the plan for the system to be on the frontline, maybe call it Stigmata?
 
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Works for me. Either one, really.
 
To make certain, we could station a bunch of our warships there to balance any military force that the Bork might send in to boost their own numbers.

The drawback of this, of course, is that if and when the Bork declare war they will probably wipe out any military detachment that we have stationed there.

... I suppose the Harmony star system put up a heroic resistance. Bugeyes can do so as well.

Should we rename the AX Microscopii star system to something that rolls off the tongue a bit more fluently?

We could call it Contact, since after handing over Ze Nootrahl Zoon-a, that's the point where our two empires would contact.
Nah keep the name.
AX Microscopii isn't too bad. And we're used to it by now.
And it needn't keep being thr point of contact.
 
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