Do people agree that Khanty and Mansi should practice 'Samoyedic Shamanism'?
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Honestly quite disappointedHello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today, we will be reviewing the region of the Steppes, before tomorrow's look at the Golden Horde and Horde-related content in Tinto Flavour. Let's start with the list of changes, as usual:
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (13)
- Adalaga
- Chuhuiv
- Hovtva
- Kolomak
- Lutava
- Opishnya
- Perekop
- Solkhat
- Ternivka
- Vilshana
- Yahotyn
- Yaroslavka
- Zmiiv
- Provinces
- Donetsk
- Nizhyn
- Areas
- Kursk
- Religions
- Čimarii Jüla (mari_paganism)
- Inmarism (udmurt_paganism)
- Važesköm (komi_paganism)
- Samoyedic Shamanism (samoyedic_paganism)
- Dynamic Names
- Added some Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Raw Goods
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all location to standardized form):
- Ak-Mechet to Aqmecit
- Aqmescit to Qarasuvbazar
- Berezivka to Aqmecit
- Brovary to Desnyanskyi Horodok
- Chaplynka to Qalançaq
- Chervonyi Mayak to Tavan
- Henichesk to Enice
- Holyi Pereviz to Ordu Bazar
- Hornostaivka to Rohat Kermen
- Kherson to Oleshia
- Lykhivka to Myshuryn Rih
- Nova Odesa to Argamakli Sarai
- Ochakov to Dashev
- Orzhytsya to Horoshino
- Primorsko-Akhtarsk to Akhtar
- Pyatigorsk to Yessentuq
- Ripky to Liubech
- Romny to Romen
- Shevelivka to Vovchansk
- Starogorodskaya to Oster
- Unenezh to Nizhyn
- Vasylivka to Kinskie
- Velyka Bilozerka to Kuchugur
- Veselynove to Balikley
- Voznesensk to Sokolyts
- Provinces - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
- Chaplynka to Qalançaq
- Kalay to Or Qapi
- Kherson to Oleshia
- Krasnohrad to Karlivka
- Luhansk to Luhan
- Melitopol to Berda
- Novgorod Seversky to Novhorod Siverskyi
- Ochakov to Boh
- Odessa to Khadjibey
- Posad to Kalmius
- Primorsko Akhtarsk to Akhtar
- Starodub Seversky to Starodub Siverskyi
- Zvenigorod Seversky to Zvenihorod Siverskyi
- Areas - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
- Eastern Ukraine to Left Bank Ukraine
- Posad to Pryazovia
- Western Ukraine to Right Bank Ukraine
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed some Raw Goods as suggested
Pops
- Total Review
- Completely reviewed population numbers
- Added some minorities, currently WIP
In this review, we focused a lot on pops, as they were not in line with the usual benchmark we have for most of the regions. You might notice a lot of changes in the cultural and religious maps, therefore. However, there are still some loose ends, so we're currently working towards adding some more minorities here and there. Thus, any additional feedback on this matter will be appreciated, as we will be able to implement stuff quickly from this feedback review.
And here you have the maps:
Countries:
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Dynasties:
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Country Ranks & Government Types:
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Societies of Pops:
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Locations:
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Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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Development:
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Harbors:
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Cultures:
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Some cultural minorities have already been added and present here and there, and more work is ongoing here.
Languages:
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Common language and court language.
Religions:
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This now looks much nicer, with a Tengrist majority in most of the Horde, some more Folk religions added, minorities here and there, etc.
Raw Materials:
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Markets:
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And that's all for today! Remember that this is this week's schedule:
And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
- Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about the Golden Horde
- Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Islam
- Thursday -> Fourth ‘Behind the Scenes’ video!
- Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Ottomans and the Rise of the Turks situation!
I think this will be my final state of the feedback unless someone else chimes in (and please do, a comprehensive map is helpful for both the discussion and for the devs).
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Decided to make the Naimans the majority instead of Mongols in the west since Naimans were historically attested as one of the most numerous tribes. They also are a standin for the Kuschi, a tribe with a dubious origin which may or may not have been Mongolic or Turkic. Adjusted the borders in Volga Bulgaria a bit too. Naimans are said to have remained in the Irtysh and they seem to have played a role in the Chagatai khanate too.
Added some Kipchak minorities based on ground burials from this map.
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Jalair seem to have been on the Chu river at this time. Khongirad I am not so sure about, they seem to be more connected with Syr Darya than western Kazakhstan.
> Religious Changes
- Samoyedic Shamanism (samoyedic_paganism)
Also, why have the location names not been changed? There were a lot of proposals, but I still see soviet era citiesHello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today, we will be reviewing the region of the Steppes, before tomorrow's look at the Golden Horde and Horde-related content in Tinto Flavour. Let's start with the list of changes, as usual:
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (13)
- Adalaga
- Chuhuiv
- Hovtva
- Kolomak
- Lutava
- Opishnya
- Perekop
- Solkhat
- Ternivka
- Vilshana
- Yahotyn
- Yaroslavka
- Zmiiv
- Provinces
- Donetsk
- Nizhyn
- Areas
- Kursk
- Religions
- Čimarii Jüla (mari_paganism)
- Inmarism (udmurt_paganism)
- Važesköm (komi_paganism)
- Samoyedic Shamanism (samoyedic_paganism)
- Dynamic Names
- Added some Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Raw Goods
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all location to standardized form):
- Ak-Mechet to Aqmecit
- Aqmescit to Qarasuvbazar
- Berezivka to Aqmecit
- Brovary to Desnyanskyi Horodok
- Chaplynka to Qalançaq
- Chervonyi Mayak to Tavan
- Henichesk to Enice
- Holyi Pereviz to Ordu Bazar
- Hornostaivka to Rohat Kermen
- Kherson to Oleshia
- Lykhivka to Myshuryn Rih
- Nova Odesa to Argamakli Sarai
- Ochakov to Dashev
- Orzhytsya to Horoshino
- Primorsko-Akhtarsk to Akhtar
- Pyatigorsk to Yessentuq
- Ripky to Liubech
- Romny to Romen
- Shevelivka to Vovchansk
- Starogorodskaya to Oster
- Unenezh to Nizhyn
- Vasylivka to Kinskie
- Velyka Bilozerka to Kuchugur
- Veselynove to Balikley
- Voznesensk to Sokolyts
- Provinces - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
- Chaplynka to Qalançaq
- Kalay to Or Qapi
- Kherson to Oleshia
- Krasnohrad to Karlivka
- Luhansk to Luhan
- Melitopol to Berda
- Novgorod Seversky to Novhorod Siverskyi
- Ochakov to Boh
- Odessa to Khadjibey
- Posad to Kalmius
- Primorsko Akhtarsk to Akhtar
- Starodub Seversky to Starodub Siverskyi
- Zvenigorod Seversky to Zvenihorod Siverskyi
- Areas - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
- Eastern Ukraine to Left Bank Ukraine
- Posad to Pryazovia
- Western Ukraine to Right Bank Ukraine
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed some Raw Goods as suggested
Pops
- Total Review
- Completely reviewed population numbers
- Added some minorities, currently WIP
In this review, we focused a lot on pops, as they were not in line with the usual benchmark we have for most of the regions. You might notice a lot of changes in the cultural and religious maps, therefore. However, there are still some loose ends, so we're currently working towards adding some more minorities here and there. Thus, any additional feedback on this matter will be appreciated, as we will be able to implement stuff quickly from this feedback review.
And here you have the maps:
Countries:
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Dynasties:
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Country Ranks & Government Types:
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Societies of Pops:
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Locations:
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Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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Development:
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Harbors:
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Cultures:
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Some cultural minorities have already been added and present here and there, and more work is ongoing here.
Languages:
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Common language and court language.
Religions:
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This now looks much nicer, with a Tengrist majority in most of the Horde, some more Folk religions added, minorities here and there, etc.
Raw Materials:
View attachment 1311159
Markets:
View attachment 1311161
And that's all for today! Remember that this is this week's schedule:
And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
- Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about the Golden Horde
- Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Islam
- Thursday -> Fourth ‘Behind the Scenes’ video!
- Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Ottomans and the Rise of the Turks situation!
Sure:Could I also ask you to post here screenshots of locations, provinces, areas and raw goods maps of Pontic-Azov Steppe and Southern part of Ruthenia?
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I am trying to promote the game in Ukrainian segments of different platforms and I always have to patch the map from 4 different TMs, or use low-res cuts from World maps of videos. It would be nice to have these four as they are the most granular and particularly catchy and interesting to people.
Thanks!
Current state | Previous state | Suggested state (from previous TM - old color scheme) |
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My long overdue topographical analysis!
Despite my tardiness, there are not that many changes I would suggest.
Summary:
Suggestions
- Southern Urals are not terribly rugged. There are plenty of broad, flat passes from the West towards modern Yekaterinburg, where it's almost flatlands (and actually rolling hills at best in many spots).
- Although not on the location map, Northernmost Ural crossing should need hills/mountains!
- Morkvash location is an interesting, isolated smaller hill massif that should definitely make it on the map imo.
- The Vasyugan Swamp is apparently the largest swamp of the Northern hemisphere, and the largest peatlands in the world.
- This warrants a few more wetlands around the region, as also indicated by other sources
- Northern Kazachstan has a lot of small lakes and ponds, and are not wetlands sensu strictu. I can definitely relate to this indication so I'd keep them.
- The Kazakh Uplandsare not terribly rugged, and a mountain indication for Karkaraly is excessive.
- that said, the whole region is definitely significantly elevated, enough to be considered a plateau in game terms
- Perhaps the locations around Karkaraly could be reshaped a bit to fit the hilly region a bit better?
- (I have no clue on the historical accuracy of my suggested borders though)
- Some other smaller wetland suggestions (i made them blue on my maps as I have difficulty distinguishing the green wetlands from hills)
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Elevation sources
Terrain Ruggedness Index (note that a lot of 'wetlands' in the southern half are located in more arid regions, and thus aren't very wet IRL) DEM with exaggerated colors ![]()
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Wetlands
Types of Wetlands according to Global Lakes and Wetlands database. Note that peatlands are greatly exaggerrated here. Abundance of Peatlands in area %, according to PeatML Water depth during 100 year flood events (proxy for flood risk) ![]()
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The location of Taman was owned by Trebizond, Lusta by Theodoro, at the time, Soldaia was occupied by the Venetians, the Area of Matrega should be renamed to Kuban(as it roughly has the shape of the former oblast and it follows the namesake river) and I think that Theodoro should start as a vassal of Trebizond
Areas also upset meHello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today, we will be reviewing the region of the Steppes, before tomorrow's look at the Golden Horde and Horde-related content in Tinto Flavour. Let's start with the list of changes, as usual:
ADDITIONS
Added the following:
CORRECTIONS
- Locations (13)
- Adalaga
- Chuhuiv
- Hovtva
- Kolomak
- Lutava
- Opishnya
- Perekop
- Solkhat
- Ternivka
- Vilshana
- Yahotyn
- Yaroslavka
- Zmiiv
- Provinces
- Donetsk
- Nizhyn
- Areas
- Kursk
- Religions
- Čimarii Jüla (mari_paganism)
- Inmarism (udmurt_paganism)
- Važesköm (komi_paganism)
- Samoyedic Shamanism (samoyedic_paganism)
- Dynamic Names
- Added some Dynamic Names
Renamed the following:
Raw Goods
- Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all location to standardized form):
- Ak-Mechet to Aqmecit
- Aqmescit to Qarasuvbazar
- Berezivka to Aqmecit
- Brovary to Desnyanskyi Horodok
- Chaplynka to Qalançaq
- Chervonyi Mayak to Tavan
- Henichesk to Enice
- Holyi Pereviz to Ordu Bazar
- Hornostaivka to Rohat Kermen
- Kherson to Oleshia
- Lykhivka to Myshuryn Rih
- Nova Odesa to Argamakli Sarai
- Ochakov to Dashev
- Orzhytsya to Horoshino
- Primorsko-Akhtarsk to Akhtar
- Pyatigorsk to Yessentuq
- Ripky to Liubech
- Romny to Romen
- Shevelivka to Vovchansk
- Starogorodskaya to Oster
- Unenezh to Nizhyn
- Vasylivka to Kinskie
- Velyka Bilozerka to Kuchugur
- Veselynove to Balikley
- Voznesensk to Sokolyts
- Provinces - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
- Chaplynka to Qalançaq
- Kalay to Or Qapi
- Kherson to Oleshia
- Krasnohrad to Karlivka
- Luhansk to Luhan
- Melitopol to Berda
- Novgorod Seversky to Novhorod Siverskyi
- Ochakov to Boh
- Odessa to Khadjibey
- Posad to Kalmius
- Primorsko Akhtarsk to Akhtar
- Starodub Seversky to Starodub Siverskyi
- Zvenigorod Seversky to Zvenihorod Siverskyi
- Areas - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
- Eastern Ukraine to Left Bank Ukraine
- Posad to Pryazovia
- Western Ukraine to Right Bank Ukraine
Terrain and Vegetation
- Changed some Raw Goods as suggested
Pops
- Total Review
- Completely reviewed population numbers
- Added some minorities, currently WIP
In this review, we focused a lot on pops, as they were not in line with the usual benchmark we have for most of the regions. You might notice a lot of changes in the cultural and religious maps, therefore. However, there are still some loose ends, so we're currently working towards adding some more minorities here and there. Thus, any additional feedback on this matter will be appreciated, as we will be able to implement stuff quickly from this feedback review.
And here you have the maps:
Countries:
View attachment 1311104
View attachment 1311105
View attachment 1311106
Dynasties:
View attachment 1311110
Country Ranks & Government Types:
View attachment 1311111
View attachment 1311112
Societies of Pops:
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Locations:
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Provinces:
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View attachment 1311128
Areas:
View attachment 1311129
Terrain:
View attachment 1311131
View attachment 1311132
View attachment 1311133
Development:
View attachment 1311139
Harbors:
View attachment 1311145
Cultures:
View attachment 1311147
Some cultural minorities have already been added and present here and there, and more work is ongoing here.
Languages:
View attachment 1311149
View attachment 1311150
Common language and court language.
Religions:
View attachment 1311152
This now looks much nicer, with a Tengrist majority in most of the Horde, some more Folk religions added, minorities here and there, etc.
Raw Materials:
View attachment 1311159
Markets:
View attachment 1311161
And that's all for today! Remember that this is this week's schedule:
And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
- Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about the Golden Horde
- Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Islam
- Thursday -> Fourth ‘Behind the Scenes’ video!
- Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Ottomans and the Rise of the Turks situation!
If the developers don't want a really big area in this place, perhaps this can be sufficient
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First will be Kazan or Volga Bulgaria, and the second is Bashkiria (correctly located)
I have also added the smallest possible Bashkiria area, with division from there
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Here are some links to check for alternative location names in Bashkir darugas:
Seber, Bashkir Nogay, Kazan, Osa(Usi)
Here is the map of Volga Bulgaria
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Red - Tatar city names
Blue - Tatar river names
Yellow - other
As a basis, I took those two maps
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The first one is 1779 map of Kazan governorate, the second is the map of the Kazan Khanate
And, If you look closely, you can see that divisions in the Kazan governorate called Darugi - a remnant of the Kazan Khanate administrative divisions. So, I propose to create Provinces like those divisions - something like Novgorod has right now
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I marked the Dorugas in red and the other divisions in yellow. As you can see, one (Crimean Daruga) is speculated to be assimilated into the Russian Uezd system.
Here I outlined this map on the EU5 map as well as I could. As you can see, somewhere the provinces don't align at all
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So with red dotted lines, I marked old divisions of the Khanate from the second map
Everything else is from the first map
Few location changes.
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With this darugas will align much better with maps
It will also allow us to represent more cities like Cäke and Koshaysk,
Cities like Bilar, Suar, Alat, Arça and Cöri will be represented much better
Made some changes and added a bit more locations
I take back my claim to rename Morkvashi - it is a historically significant city and was already on the maps of the 17th century (not the worst case). So I think we should let it be a representation of the destroyed old Bulghar city. A lot of locations are named after rivers, as I have not found better variants
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Here is my proposal for areas
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Five important darugas that have survived.
Taw yagi - mountain side - a common name for this region, represents a 6th daruga with an unknown name
Morkvashi and Bögelma - parts of the historical Nogai daruga that were separated into other divisions by the Russian Empire
or even like this to separate Sinbir
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