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A lot of really great changes at the province and areas level, but absolutely disappointing locations especially those with Soviet-era names. While there was literally a ton of feedback with suggested old maps and Turkic names.

You have two Vasylivkas, two Aqmescits, two Donetsks, two Rovenki, two Sokilets.

I still hope maybe you uploaded location map from a wrong stream.
 
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Shame that a path of non-wasteland locations from Khwarazm/Turkmenistan to the Caspian sea wasn't added either here or in the Persian feedback, as many people suggested it and provided sources of it being settled and passed by trade caravans

EDIT: Here are some of the suggestions in question:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...er-2024-persia-caucasus.1703150/post-29904718

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...er-2024-persia-caucasus.1703150/post-29886940

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...er-2024-persia-caucasus.1703150/post-29908671
 
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The Golden Horde is not the Dothraki from Game of Thrones, who roam the desert. The Golden Horde is an urban civilization, whose economic power was provided by trans-Eurasian trade with China, the Middle East and Europe.
Some crafts that were developed in the cities of the Golden Horde:
Pottery. Unglazed and glazed ceramics were produced.
Blacksmithing and ironworking. They made rakes, plowshares, hoes, sickles, scythes, axes, knives, scissors, awls, bits, stirrups, horseshoes, flints, chain mail, armor, helmets, arrowheads, maces, flails, nails, locks, keys and more.
Non-ferrous metallurgy. They made buckles, plates, plaques, buttons, earrings, temple rings, signet rings, bow string rings, mace tops, bowls, weights, sinkers, locks, keys, etc.
Jewelry production. They made bowls, cups, ladles, dishes, spoons, earrings, buttons, signet rings, bracelets, amulets, etc.
Glass making. They made glasses, jugs, vessels, amphorae, window glass, etc.
Stone cutting. They made millstones, tombstone slabs, building blocks, architectural stone decor, etc.
Leatherworking. They made bags, purses, pouches, cases, amulets, bow cases, quivers, belts, boots, headdresses, saddle covers, etc.
Bone carving. They made buttons, beads, chess pieces, handles, amulets, combs and other things.
Weaving. They made clothes, purses and other things.
Woodworking. They made saddles, quivers, bows, arrow shafts, sheaths, amulets, boxes, cups, bowls, plates, combs, spoons, kubyz.
Saraichik. The city had a water supply and sewerage system made of ceramic pipes.
Sarai-Batu (the capital of the Golden Horde, located near modern Astrakhan). The city had a sewerage system made of wooden pipes.
Ukek. The city had a hydraulic structure resembling an irrigation ditch, where meltwater and rainwater accumulated and then flowed into the city under pressure.
 
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Also, why have the location names not been changed? There were a lot of proposals, but I still see soviet era cities

Proletarsk literally means Proletariat - soviet social class

Why was it not changed?
We're aware; we've been trying to prioritize the most relevant stuff, and come back for additional feedback, but this is already booked to be fixed in a few days.
 
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Hello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today, we will be reviewing the region of the Steppes, before tomorrow's look at the Golden Horde and Horde-related content in Tinto Flavour. Let's start with the list of changes, as usual:

ADDITIONS

Added the following:
  • Locations (13)
    • Adalaga
    • Chuhuiv
    • Hovtva
    • Kolomak
    • Lutava
    • Opishnya
    • Perekop
    • Solkhat
    • Ternivka
    • Vilshana
    • Yahotyn
    • Yaroslavka
    • Zmiiv
  • Provinces
    • Donetsk
    • Nizhyn
  • Areas
    • Kursk
  • Religions
    • Čimarii Jüla (mari_paganism)
    • Inmarism (udmurt_paganism)
    • Važesköm (komi_paganism)
    • Samoyedic Shamanism (samoyedic_paganism)
  • Dynamic Names
    • Added some Dynamic Names
CORRECTIONS

Renamed the following:
  • Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all location to standardized form):
    • Ak-Mechet to Aqmecit
    • Aqmescit to Qarasuvbazar
    • Berezivka to Aqmecit
    • Brovary to Desnyanskyi Horodok
    • Chaplynka to Qalançaq
    • Chervonyi Mayak to Tavan
    • Henichesk to Enice
    • Holyi Pereviz to Ordu Bazar
    • Hornostaivka to Rohat Kermen
    • Kherson to Oleshia
    • Lykhivka to Myshuryn Rih
    • Nova Odesa to Argamakli Sarai
    • Ochakov to Dashev
    • Orzhytsya to Horoshino
    • Primorsko-Akhtarsk to Akhtar
    • Pyatigorsk to Yessentuq
    • Ripky to Liubech
    • Romny to Romen
    • Shevelivka to Vovchansk
    • Starogorodskaya to Oster
    • Unenezh to Nizhyn
    • Vasylivka to Kinskie
    • Velyka Bilozerka to Kuchugur
    • Veselynove to Balikley
    • Voznesensk to Sokolyts
  • Provinces - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
    • Chaplynka to Qalançaq
    • Kalay to Or Qapi
    • Kherson to Oleshia
    • Krasnohrad to Karlivka
    • Luhansk to Luhan
    • Melitopol to Berda
    • Novgorod Seversky to Novhorod Siverskyi
    • Ochakov to Boh
    • Odessa to Khadjibey
    • Posad to Kalmius
    • Primorsko Akhtarsk to Akhtar
    • Starodub Seversky to Starodub Siverskyi
    • Zvenigorod Seversky to Zvenihorod Siverskyi
  • Areas - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
    • Eastern Ukraine to Left Bank Ukraine
    • Posad to Pryazovia
    • Western Ukraine to Right Bank Ukraine
Raw Goods
  • Changed some Raw Goods as suggested
Terrain and Vegetation
  • Total Review
Pops
  • Completely reviewed population numbers
  • Added some minorities, currently WIP

In this review, we focused a lot on pops, as they were not in line with the usual benchmark we have for most of the regions. You might notice a lot of changes in the cultural and religious maps, therefore. However, there are still some loose ends, so we're currently working towards adding some more minorities here and there. Thus, any additional feedback on this matter will be appreciated, as we will be able to implement stuff quickly from this feedback review.

And here you have the maps:

Countries:
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Dynasties:
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Country Ranks & Government Types:
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Societies of Pops:
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Locations:
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Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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Development:
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Harbors:
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Cultures:
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Some cultural minorities have already been added and present here and there, and more work is ongoing here.

Languages:
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Common language and court language.

Religions:
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This now looks much nicer, with a Tengrist majority in most of the Horde, some more Folk religions added, minorities here and there, etc.

Raw Materials:
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Markets:
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And that's all for today! Remember that this is this week's schedule:
  • Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about the Golden Horde
  • Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Islam
  • Thursday -> Fourth ‘Behind the Scenes’ video!
  • Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Ottomans and the Rise of the Turks situation!
And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
Area of chervleny Yar must be added! It has the most historical relevance for this time period!!!
Chervleny Yar, as a name, was used for the areas with red stripes, and a road was deemed to be in the area of Chervleny Yar

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Here is a great paper with its history
What we care about is that the first mention was around the 13th century and the last in the 15th, so it's at the start of the game, but fell off after the conquests of the Great Horde by Russia, where the area was reorganised and people resettled

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It can be fitted two ways, small or big
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You guys gotta give some sources for a lot of these things, like I'm aware of the Mari and a few of these other peoples thanks to a travelogue (lost cosmonaut) but they don't really have a lot of mentions in western writing or even in Russian writing. It's hard to know about them for a Spanish studio
 
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@Pavía must all feedback from the original Tinto Maps be reposted here, because it was clearly overlooked?
That's not going to be useful. What would be acceptable is, if you want, a summary post on what you consider most relevant to prioritize.
 
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The state of Khwarazm ruled by Qutluq Temür of the Sufid dynasty should definitely be added, subject to the Golden Horde (GH should be Empire rank).



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There should also be more development in Khwarazm, especially Urgench, which was said to have returned to former glory.

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Hello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today, we will be reviewing the region of the Steppes, before tomorrow's look at the Golden Horde and Horde-related content in Tinto Flavour. Let's start with the list of changes, as usual:

ADDITIONS

Added the following:
  • Locations (13)
    • Adalaga
    • Chuhuiv
    • Hovtva
    • Kolomak
    • Lutava
    • Opishnya
    • Perekop
    • Solkhat
    • Ternivka
    • Vilshana
    • Yahotyn
    • Yaroslavka
    • Zmiiv
  • Provinces
    • Donetsk
    • Nizhyn
  • Areas
    • Kursk
  • Religions
    • Čimarii Jüla (mari_paganism)
    • Inmarism (udmurt_paganism)
    • Važesköm (komi_paganism)
    • Samoyedic Shamanism (samoyedic_paganism)
  • Dynamic Names
    • Added some Dynamic Names
CORRECTIONS

Renamed the following:
  • Locations (only corrections. Additionally renamed all location to standardized form):
    • Ak-Mechet to Aqmecit
    • Aqmescit to Qarasuvbazar
    • Berezivka to Aqmecit
    • Brovary to Desnyanskyi Horodok
    • Chaplynka to Qalançaq
    • Chervonyi Mayak to Tavan
    • Henichesk to Enice
    • Holyi Pereviz to Ordu Bazar
    • Hornostaivka to Rohat Kermen
    • Kherson to Oleshia
    • Lykhivka to Myshuryn Rih
    • Nova Odesa to Argamakli Sarai
    • Ochakov to Dashev
    • Orzhytsya to Horoshino
    • Primorsko-Akhtarsk to Akhtar
    • Pyatigorsk to Yessentuq
    • Ripky to Liubech
    • Romny to Romen
    • Shevelivka to Vovchansk
    • Starogorodskaya to Oster
    • Unenezh to Nizhyn
    • Vasylivka to Kinskie
    • Velyka Bilozerka to Kuchugur
    • Veselynove to Balikley
    • Voznesensk to Sokolyts
  • Provinces - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
    • Chaplynka to Qalançaq
    • Kalay to Or Qapi
    • Kherson to Oleshia
    • Krasnohrad to Karlivka
    • Luhansk to Luhan
    • Melitopol to Berda
    • Novgorod Seversky to Novhorod Siverskyi
    • Ochakov to Boh
    • Odessa to Khadjibey
    • Posad to Kalmius
    • Primorsko Akhtarsk to Akhtar
    • Starodub Seversky to Starodub Siverskyi
    • Zvenigorod Seversky to Zvenihorod Siverskyi
  • Areas - only corrections. Additionally, renamed all of them to a standardized form:
    • Eastern Ukraine to Left Bank Ukraine
    • Posad to Pryazovia
    • Western Ukraine to Right Bank Ukraine
Raw Goods
  • Changed some Raw Goods as suggested
Terrain and Vegetation
  • Total Review
Pops
  • Completely reviewed population numbers
  • Added some minorities, currently WIP

In this review, we focused a lot on pops, as they were not in line with the usual benchmark we have for most of the regions. You might notice a lot of changes in the cultural and religious maps, therefore. However, there are still some loose ends, so we're currently working towards adding some more minorities here and there. Thus, any additional feedback on this matter will be appreciated, as we will be able to implement stuff quickly from this feedback review.

And here you have the maps:

Countries:
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View attachment 1311105
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Dynasties:
View attachment 1311110

Country Ranks & Government Types:
View attachment 1311111
View attachment 1311112

Societies of Pops:
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Locations:
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Provinces:
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Areas:
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Terrain:
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View attachment 1311132
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Development:
View attachment 1311139

Harbors:
View attachment 1311145

Cultures:
View attachment 1311147
Some cultural minorities have already been added and present here and there, and more work is ongoing here.

Languages:
View attachment 1311149
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Common language and court language.

Religions:
View attachment 1311152
This now looks much nicer, with a Tengrist majority in most of the Horde, some more Folk religions added, minorities here and there, etc.

Raw Materials:
View attachment 1311159

Markets:
View attachment 1311161

And that's all for today! Remember that this is this week's schedule:
  • Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about the Golden Horde
  • Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Islam
  • Thursday -> Fourth ‘Behind the Scenes’ video!
  • Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Ottomans and the Rise of the Turks situation!
And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!
Ryazan should not be so far into the steppes. It has never controlled those lands

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MY proposal:
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Finish it with Kasimov, and the rest can go to the Muksha location, a historical area of Erzya and Moksha people
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