It might be OK to do that, But the City is Istanbul to me.
I don't think it bothers me all that much, It's been Turkish since the 16th century or there abouts, Only right to use their correct term.
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It might be OK to do that, But the City is Istanbul to me.
I don't think it bothers me all that much, It's been Turkish since the 16th century or there abouts, Only right to use their correct term.
AofE I'll let other English posters make their own comments. My biggest qualm is having London be direct access to the sea. I do not like that at all. I also think your proposal is very much too North-Midland heavy, and really I think underweights the south. Since you can only have one factory province per state, it doesn't really need to have that heavy a North-Midland focus to reflect the balance between North and South England at the time. A bit more of a balanced map between regions of England in this period makes more sense. Note that the base Victoria map does not have this kind of balance that you propose either.
One other issue is that we have to be able to fit the names of the provinces inside the provinces that are inland, and some of the smaller ones will I fear be rather difficult to be legible given the font we are using.
But again I'll let other posters weigh in on the issue.
One other issue is that we have to be able to fit the names of the provinces inside the provinces that are inland, and some of the smaller ones will I fear be rather difficult to be legible given the font we are using.
But again I'll let other posters weigh in on the issue.
London is direct to the sea, London was one of biggest trading ports in the world and it's docklands spread for mile after mile making it a hub for international trade, I understand the importance of a capital city to be protected from the sea but like Amsterdam, I can't see the major problem?
When I think of the Industrial Revolution, I think of the West Midlands, Yorkshire and Lancashire, Generally the North of England, Remember anything above Watford is classed as the North. The South is and was then a rural place, People dwell in small villages and not big industrial cities, I wanted to show this in my map. Personally being from the North I think we are always over shadowed by London and the South. The First Iron Bridge, In the North, The First Train Line, In the North, The First Industrial City, In the North, From my point of view my map is heavy northern because it represents England better and has more validity to it.
I've seen that the Rhineland has as many as 8 provinces? The West Midlands was equally superior to the Rhineland in Industrial output and should be allowed to mirror it. If it wasn't for the international reputation of the Rhineland would it have 8 provinces? No it would not! Yet it was Germany's industrial heartland and should be shown as that in the game, Just like the West Midlands should be, They don't call it The Black Country for nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7pnRgBan7c
An to tell the truth, Those cities I've added are and were the biggest in this time period, I can't see the need in having provinces in areas where populations didn't dwell in high numbers, Seems as if you are trying to balance the map rather than historical importance.
When I think of the Industrial Revolution, I think of the West Midlands, Yorkshire and Lancashire, Generally the North of England, Remember anything above Watford is classed as the North. The South is and was then a rural place, People dwell in small villages and not big industrial cities, I wanted to show this in my map. Personally being from the North I think we are always over shadowed by London and the South. The First Iron Bridge, In the North, The First Train Line, In the North, The First Industrial City, In the North, From my point of view my map is heavy northern because it represents England better and has more validity to it.
I've seen that the Rhineland has as many as 8 provinces? The West Midlands was equally superior to the Rhineland in Industrial output and should be allowed to mirror it. If it wasn't for the international reputation of the Rhineland would it have 8 provinces? No it would not! Yet it was Germany's industrial heartland and should be shown as that in the game, Just like the West Midlands should be, They don't call it The Black Country for nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7pnRgBan7c
An to tell the truth, Those cities I've added are and were the biggest in this time period, I can't see the need in having provinces in areas where populations didn't dwell in high numbers, Seems as if you are trying to balance the map rather than historical importance.
Sorry to butt in, but can we have a progress report?
How much still has to be done? How much has been done? Any major problems so far?
How much still has to be done? How much has been done? Any major problems so far?
To do
1) Finish adding in the provinces
2) redo the artwork for the seas and coastlines
3) complete the RGB file for the new map
4) complete the province.csv file for the map
5) test to make sure it works in the game
6) if it doesn't work, figure out why
In other words: at least 6 months before something playable is created.
But at the time it was Constantinople
Even under the majority of Turkish rule it was still known as Constantinople!
The only major docklands in London was the Isle of Dogs, which was still MUCH less important than Bristol, etc...
Only to Londoners is this the case. Even then it is an 'inside-joke'. The black country was the heart of the industrial revolution, however, although I think this could be represented by those provinces with higher resource values, rather than splitting B'ham up lots.
It's not about the number of provinces though! It's about the resource value of a province!
Cologne was MUCH bigger than West Brom. I've been to both! West Brom is, and always was, a dump! Wolverhampton is an okay-ish night out now though, mind.
To summarise, I think a lot of your qualms could be tackled by increased resource value for coal, etc... in the midlands areas (I'm from the midlands too). As for Constantinople... I think it was only after the Ottoman Empire became "Turkey" that "Istanbul" became the official name for "Constantinople" (and so "Constantinople" is the correct name for the city in this period).
EDIT: Sorry if I seem quite negative to your map. It's just I'm a big fan of B'ham, and I see no need to break it up, when it was this city in particular which was more important than the smaller towns of West Bromwich and Wolverhampton.
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Constantinople was the most commonly use name in maps till early or mid 20th century
OH, are you quite sure that we need 4 provinces for Montenegro? I'd like to borrow one, to split up what you have as the Nagasaki Province, into a smaller Nagasaki, and make the rest a new Saga province, which was/is still a city, and was the capital of the Saga Domain 1836-1870 in Victoria. Having both in the same province is not particularly accurate, given that Nagasaki was Tokugawa jurisdiction (and in my mod, I now have events that split off a conglomerate western daimyo revolter nation).
Pretty please?
Pretty please?
Re Montenegro - it gained control of each province at different times
Cetinje at the start
gains Niksic after a brief war in the 1860s
gains Ulcinj after the 1878 war
gains Pljevlja in wake of the 1913 Balkan wars
gains Kotor in wake of WWI
So, yes to properly reflect the evolution of Montenegro's geopolitical history, all the provinces are needed.
Cetinje at the start
gains Niksic after a brief war in the 1860s
gains Ulcinj after the 1878 war
gains Pljevlja in wake of the 1913 Balkan wars
gains Kotor in wake of WWI
So, yes to properly reflect the evolution of Montenegro's geopolitical history, all the provinces are needed.
OH, any comment on my suggestion for fitting "Constantinople" in (name on top rather than below as "Istanbul") ?? I posted a suggestion on the previous page of this thread (screenshot it is).
Hi,
I got a request for a German province north of Berlin:
could you rename "Pritzwalk" to either "Wittenberge" or "Neuruppin"?
Wittenberge was historically more important and Neuruppin would fit better geographically (it's north of Berlin, not like Pritzwalk/Wittenberge being northwest of it) - so either one of them would be good, even so I'd prefer Wittenberge.
I got a request for a German province north of Berlin:
could you rename "Pritzwalk" to either "Wittenberge" or "Neuruppin"?
Wittenberge was historically more important and Neuruppin would fit better geographically (it's north of Berlin, not like Pritzwalk/Wittenberge being northwest of it) - so either one of them would be good, even so I'd prefer Wittenberge.
I have a question, after looking at the colourful map of Clio, is the actual map larger than the original vicky map?
I'm pretty sure that it's exactly the same size as the in game map
Correct. Most people have never seen the map because it is in a file type that is not a normal graphic program (which is why modding maps in old-EU Engine games is a pain the the ass) but they are HUGE files, in part because they have to have provinces big enough to accomodate sprites at full size.
the wonderful thing about the new EU3-engine based maps is that there is no longer that dependency. the game engine now "projects" the province name, sprites, buildings etc based on the size of a pixel, so provinces can be much smaller and thus the whole map file much smaller, and in easy to mod formats since all you need for the engine to do its job, in essence, is know which pixels = which province. It's a bit more complicated than that, but in essence, modding the map in EU3, Rome and I'll most likely wager HoI3 is light years easier to do than in the cumbersome old maps of Victoria, HoI2 and EU2 that really require specialist programs to make work (fingers crossed).
Looking at Montenegro, I can't help but ask why Podgorica is omitted
Any reason?
Also I would like to add that, even in an Anglophone map, the Serbian city of 'Nis' never had an 'h' on the end.
Any reason?
Also I would like to add that, even in an Anglophone map, the Serbian city of 'Nis' never had an 'h' on the end.
Actually in most 19th & early 20th C maps, they actually do, or spell it Nisch, or they use the old Latin name Nissa.
I've only ever seen it spelt as "Nis" or "Nish". More commonly "Nis", out of the two, though.
Shame about "Constantinople" too! Wouldn't this naming be edittable with Jamie550's map editting tool anyway though??
Shame about "Constantinople" too!
Wouldn't this naming be edittable with Jamie550's map editting tool anyway though??